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marcus says

bob2356 says

If you can't see any difference between colin powell sending some emails, that he says were of housekeeping nature, using a commercial email service and hillary setting a totally private email server in her house controlled only by her to conduct ALL of her business as secretary of state then either you are too partisan or not intelligent enough to have this conversation.

Ahh, the old you're an idiot argument. Very compelling. I didn't say I couldn't see any difference. I said I thought maybe she was paranoid (maybe with good reason). I really don't think it was nefarious. Does it piss of people because of risk of security breach ? Or it it because they think and hope that they might have something on her.

Ahh, the avoid the point argument. Paranoid is irrelevant. Everything she wrote as secretary of state is public record. It's the law, Would you like me to type that more slowly? She worked long and hard on skirting the law, staying (once again) maybe technically legal. Maybe, because we'll never know since DOJ isn't going to touch it. She thought she could get away with it. She almost did.

marcus says

They were coming up with policy proposals that would have eventually been scrutinized to the nth degree. Bill was using her as an extension of him. They're wonks that were going to be having dinner together every night, and she was going to be discussing everything with him through the entire process. So I don't get it. If it were advice that was going to be used for an executive order that would be different. The fact that it at some point is not accessible to the public (during early meetings or whatever) is a far cry from it being pushed all the way through to law without ever being accessible to the public

It was a far cry from bill and hillary sitting around discussing things at dinner. Large numbers of people were involved. Most of them with a great financial stake in the outcome. At some point being accessible to the public isn't good enough.Eventually scrutinized isn't good enough. The law, FACA like FOI, is clear. The information MUST be in the public domain. Sidestepping (does anyone see a pattern here?) the law by declaring hillary a government employee then fighting it through the courts isn't the same as obeying the law.

Having someone that would repeatedly go to such great lengths to avoid the spirit of not the letter of the law becoming president may be ok with you, but it's not at all ok with me.

marcus says

Let me guess. You didn't vote for CLinton in '92. I'd bet anything on that.

Probably just a coincidence.

IT's amazing what people can get outraged about, when they don't have anything to sink their teeth in to.

How do you feel about Cheney and the Halliburton connection relative to the Iraq war ? Would you put Clinton having the gall to put Hillary to work on a policy proposal as being almost as bad as that ? Worse perhaps ?

Define anything for your bet, then make really sure you can afford to lose it. I have posted many times about cheney and his outrageous conduct. No, I don't have anything to sink my teeth into other than small matters like public officials on either side of the political spectrum not following the law. If you really think, which you certainly seem to, your elected and appointed officials work in your best interest when working in secret with large and powerful interests without public scrutiny or oversight then I have some really great swampland in florida I want to talk to you about. Don't bother with the eventually it will be available for scrutiny bullshit. How many people read obamacare before it was voted on?

I wish everyone here would ignore/block me so I wouldn't have to spend so much time trying to educate the ignorant on Patnet.
roflmao

jazz music says

Has patnet policy changed such that the kids were blocked from trolling this thread???

no policy change.

say whatever the fuck you want. post boob pics. troll away, it's good exercise both in trolling and in recognizing and ignoring trolls.

marcus says

It's a mess. We know that. I believe that Obama and Clinton understand the mess better than you or I do. I agree about Saudi Arabia. But I don't claim to fully understand the strategic reasons we go along with their bullshit.

The strategic reasons for America's bullshit since 1945 are the following:

1. O-I-L, OIL!
2. irrational fear of communism
3. irrational desire to keep the working man down
4. supporting crony capitalism in all its forms
5. a complete willingness to support, and do the dirty-work of any murderous dictator supporting objective number 1 to 4
6. a level of moral sense that would make any schoolyard bully look good

Remember during Whitewater when she claimed she couldn't find records, and then somebody found them lying directly on the table in her office or library?

She lost money on Whitewater, but boy did she obsfucate the whole way through. Filegate as well, when Livingstone took the fall: Hillary is widely believed to have requested and received FBI files on Goverment Civil Service Employees she had no right to obtain.

jazz music says

Has patnet policy changed such that the kids were blocked from trolling this thread???

Everyone I have on ignore can't even see this thread (if they are logged in) . I think that at this point CIC can't even post to this thread using the "work around" that used to work ( i.e. read thread in other [logged out browser] and then copy and paste URL in to logged in browser - and then post comment ). I believe that Patrick has now made even that impossible.

thunderlips11 says

Remember during Whitewater when she claimed she couldn't find records, and then somebody found them lying directly on the table in her office or library?

Let's hope that doesn't happen when president hillary has to keep track of the nuclear launch codes.