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mell says

Trump was right again. How often does he have to be right before he will be president? Once again the blood of the victims is on the hands of the regressive left.

On behalf of my fellow liberals, I apologize for their stupidity.

Nuclear destruction of pagan shrines is not war. It's a reckoning...

indigenous says

You and others are fine with war, I am not.

Ironman says

Picture of the front of the truck...

Boy, based on the bullet holes, those cops need a lot MORE range time and tactical training.

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You are right. Most of the bullet holes are on the passenger side, instead of the driver side.

Ironman says

Strategist says

Most of the bullet holes are on the passenger side, instead of the driver side.

I wonder how many would have died if France allowed CCW and a few people in the crowd were able to stop the guy a lot sooner before the cops finally got there?

Remember, when SECONDS count, police are only MINUTES away.

Half as much.

People cross the street with their hands on thier heads as a French soldier secures the area July 15, 2016 after at least 60 people were killed along the Promenade des Anglais in Nice, France, when a truck ran into a crowd celebrating the Bastille Day national holiday July 14.

It's time to ban religion from western civilization so that we can preserve all other freedoms. When religion causes innocent civilians to put their hands over their heads as soldiers point assault rifles at them, it's time to end religion once and for all. People's freedom to indulge in delusions that cause the murder and subjugation of others does not trump all our other freedoms.

#noRightToLies #noReligion

yeah dan, you're right, we need to ban all religion because christians and jews and hindus and buddhists and sikhs drive trucks into crowds too! and they murder people in cafes who can't recite the bible or some other holy text! and they blow themselves up in crowds to murder as many non-believers as they can! damn christians and jews and hindus and buddhists and sikhs!

oh wait, they don't.

only muslims do those things. islam has a near-monopoly among all religions on insane violence against random unarmed civilians. that's a simple statement of fact.

all of latin america was oppressed and as impoverished as muslim countries, but the worst we saw out of them was the shining path and a few marxist groups and drug lords killing rivals and informers.

islam alone among all ideologies or religions consistently motivates the murder of random innocent people all around the world. more specifically, the problem is the wahabi islam we generously fund every time we put gas in our car.

Then there is this:

From this

http://www.alternet.org/belief/despite-wingnut-freakout-obama-right-christian-violence-just-bad-muslim-violence

Any one asking for respect for a book that, if read literally, condone this attack, is defending psychopathy and therefore de facto a psychopath.

This is evil in its purest form.

rando says

oh wait, they don't.

No they don't. But they do elect leaders (W) who start unprovoked wars in which hundreds of thousands die, and the lives of millions are screwed for generations. They deny scientific facts that can have catastrophic consequences for the entire human race.

Who do you think caused more misery, the people who committed the massacre in France, or the people responsible for the Libyan fiasco? And while the former are demonized (rightfully so!), the latter are respected members of our society. My point here is that one should be cautious not to loose perspective on things. In the case of terrorism, the consequences of religious fanatism are obvious. However, there are other expressions of religious fanatism, or even devotion, that may have much more devastating, yet not as dramatic consequences.

FP says

And while the former are demonized (rightfully so!), the latter are respected members of our society. My point here is that one should be cautious not to loose perspective on things.

You are losing tract of the intent. Let's say group A are given full power to create whatever world they want. Now say that group B is given full power to realize their project...
In which world would you rather live: a democratic opened society or a muslim theocracy under Shariah law?

Allies also killed a lot of Germans in WW2, bombed entire cities, are you saying we should not have done it and let the 3rd Reich endure?

Ironman says

Remember, when SECONDS count, police are only MINUTES away.

I'd venture to say that that is more true in France than it is even in the US

I'd venture to say that is more true in France than in the US Strategist says

I hope, unlike us, India kills them without mercy.

Unfortunately, it isn't that simple. There has been a decades long proxy war in Kashmir. The best way to choke them off is financially. The tide is starting to turn for India, in that the US is starting to view them as a strategically more important partner in South Asia than Pakistan.

There are about 60 million people in France.
There are about 90 million people in the democratic party...

FP says

Who do you think caused more misery, the people who committed the massacre in France, or the people responsible for the Libyan fiasco?

Heraclitusstudent says

Allies also killed a lot of Germans in WW2, bombed entire cities, are you saying we should not have done it and let the 3rd Reich endure?

Are you saying that targeting of soft civilian targets, even carpet bombing entire cities, can be justified? You think like a terrorist.

Hey Indigenous. The truck terrorist, Mohammad was from Tunisia. Are we bombing Tunisia? Do we have a military base there?
Terrorism is an Islamic thing.

indigenous says

Then there is this:

lol at @inidigenous !

countries at war for reasons that had nothing to do with religion is utterly irrelevant.

were the nazi catholics at war with the nazi protestants? didn't think so.

hey, where are the japanese in your pie chart?

think industrialization might have had something to do with the ability of the west and japan to produce weapons?

Strategist says

Hey Indigenous. The truck terrorist, Mohammad was from Tunisia. Are we bombing Tunisia? Do we have a military base there?

Terrorism is an Islamic thing.

They get brain washed, peer pressure on steroids. Imagine high school where they shoot you if you are don't buy into the group think.

You approach this as if it were a football game.

He was as ignorant as you on this subject.

indigenous says

They get brain washed, peer pressure on steroids.

Bingo. By religion.

indigenous says

He was as ignorant as you on this subject.

There you go again.

rando says

lol at @inidigenous !

Back at ya.

Your blame it all on the Muslims is myopic to say the least.

The statistics on the last two wars for the US are north of 200,000 dead civilians. Do you really think that the Muslim terrorists have killed a fraction of that?

More importantly you are drinking the military industrial kool aid on this. As is most of America.

Strategist says

There you go again.

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Fucking baby killers.

note that the word "islam" or "muslim" does not occur on that home page.

nor on the ny times home page today.

gosh, why not?

They are ready for prime time all right.

Strategist says

Fucking baby killers.

You mean this?

www.youtube.com/embed/omnskeu-puE

I wonder what France/World will do about Islamic terrorism. Or should I ask ....What can we do?

indigenous says

Do you really think that the Muslim terrorists have killed a fraction of that?

do you really think boko haram in nigeria has anything at all to do with US foreign policy?

or the murders in bangladesh?

or the terrorists in the southern phillipines?

please explain how the US created those terrorists.

consider the alternate more parsimonious explanation: their religion tells them to kill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

but of course the gay community of orlando attacked iraq, so they had what was coming to them!

indigenous says

Strategist says

Fucking baby killers.

You mean this?

That's BS.

rando says

note that the word "islam" or "muslim" does not occur on that home page.

nor on the ny times home page today.

gosh, why not?

You are conflating me with the apologists, not the case.

Strategist says

That's BS.

This one has drank the kool aid too long

you're conflating me with a supporter for US foreign policy, not the case.

rando says

do you really think boko haram in nigeria has anything at all to do with US foreign policy?

or the murders in bangladesh?

or the terrorists in the southern phillipines?

please explain how the US created those terrorists.

consider the alternate more parsimonious explanation: their religion tells them to kill

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam%27s_razor

but of course the gay community of orlando attacked iraq, so they had what was coming to them!

They use US actions for propaganda to recruit.

You ignore the antecedent, this is not a binary.

Strategist says

Or should I ask ....What can we do?

most important thing is to tell the truth about islam. it is absolutely in no way whatsoever a religion of peace.

our politicians should stop lying to us about that.

indigenous says

They use US actions for propaganda to recruit.

they use all actions by all non-muslims, all the time, as propaganda to recruit.

you had the opportunity to submit to the One True Religion (tm) and now you must die because you have rejected it.

rando says

they use all actions by all non-muslims, all the time, as propaganda to recruit.

you had the opportunity to accept the one true religion (tm) and now you must die because you have rejected it.

I don't think they would have grown the way they have without the fuel of US wars.

indigenous says

rando says

they use all actions by all non-muslims, all the time, as propaganda to recruit.

you had the opportunity to accept the one true religion (tm) and now you must die because you have rejected it.

I don't think they would have grown the way they have without the fuel of US wars.

History shows Islamic terror for 1,400 years. US did not even exist then.

rando says

yeah dan, you're right, we need to ban all religion because christians and jews and hindus and buddhists and sikhs drive trucks into crowds too! and they murder people in cafes who can't recite the bible or some other holy text! and they blow themselves up in crowds to murder as many non-believers as they can! damn christians and jews and hindus and buddhists and sikhs!

oh wait, they don't.

No, they don't. However, Christian, Jews, astrologists, new age charlatans, etc. all indirectly increase terrorism by fostering an environment in which the irrationality of religion is not only accepted but strongly promoted. They are all parts of a continuous spectrum of behavior in which each point acts as a gateway to the next.

Think about it this way. There are banks that launder money for drug dealers. These banks don't shoot people, but they provide benefits that empower the drug cartels that do commit mass murder. Do you say the bankers are guilty of murder? No, but one should acknowledge that the bankers are indirectly and significantly aiding the drug cartels and thus bear some responsibility for those murders. The exact same thing can be said of Christians and Jews, even moderate one. By creating a culture in which belief in false gods is revered rather than ridiculed, they are creating safe havens for Islamic terrorists. If western civilization treated faith as the delusion and psychological disorder it is and did not protect some faiths, then western culture would change and that culture would be exported around the world weakening all religions including Islam.

Furthermore, even without Christians suicide bombing people and driving trucks into crowds, there are plenty of lesser, but still intolerable, evils committed by all Christian and Jewish religions. For example, the suppression of equality for LGBT, unequal prosecution in the courts, laws based on the arbitrary and often hypocritical moral codes of those religions, the teaching of false doctrines like creative design, the forcing of religion on people by the courts through Alcohol Anonymous, the terrible treatment of gays by the Boy Scouts, the denial of climate change and the prevention of actions to mitigate it, the prohibition of even first term abortions through horrific means like requiring women to be subjected to literal rape to get an abortion, and the suicide of a girl to see her dead dad in heaven. And these are just a few examples. The corruption of laws and government in our society by Christianity is perverse and severe penetrating all levels of government. Politicians in the U.S. have to make constant reference to the Christian god to be elected, something that should never happen in a society that is not a theocracy.

So why should we tolerate Christianity? There is no up side and there are a plethora of down sides. Any alleged advantage of Christianity can be perverted and the intended advantage can easily be accomplished more reliably without religion.

Obama to ban assault cars next

rando says

only muslims do those things. islam has a near-monopoly among all religions on insane violence against random unarmed civilians. that's a simple statement of fact.

Today, and only because atheists and agnostics have castrated Christianity over the past 400 years. You give Christianity the power it had back in the Middle Ages and the Christian clergy will be as violent and evil as the Islamic clergy and for the exact same reasons, to grow and maintain that power.

Power corrupts. Power based on superstitious lies and faith is the most corruptible power. Without rational thought, there can be no checks and balances to power. Faith is unquestionable and unaccountable which is why it cannot be both powerful and benevolent. The specific mythology is irrelevant. The clergy can always change the interpretation of holy books to suite their needs and no one can challenge their interpretation as faith does not tolerate reason.

In the age of nuclear and biological weapons and uncontrolled climate change, irrationality can end our species.

Our galaxy is 13.4 billion years old and composed of 100 to 400 billion stars. That's a hell of a lot of opportunity for intelligent life to arise independently many times. Yet the galaxy is a mere 100,000 light years along it's major diameter Traveling at a mere 10% of the speed of light a civilization at one edge of the galaxy, constantly reproducing and sending migrants outwards, would take only one million years to reach the furthest edge of the galaxy. The lag time to set up colonies would be essentially zero as populations on every planet increases exponentially and sends people looking for jobs and resources to less populated planets.

So, why the hell wasn't Earth colonized by aliens a billion years before the dinosaurs evolved? What has killed off all those civilizations? Faith is a very strong contender.

If lack of assimilation and jobs is the problem, how come the Gypsies and Travellers aren't blowing shit up and ramming trucks into crowds?

Heraclitusstudent says

Any one asking for respect for a book that, if read literally, condone this attack, is defending psychopathy and therefore de facto a psychopath.

The New Testament is pro-slavery. The Christian god is pro-slavery. Any religion based on the New Testament is evil.

FP says

No they don't. But they do elect leaders (W) who start unprovoked wars in which hundreds of thousands die, and the lives of millions are screwed for generations. They deny scientific facts that can have catastrophic consequences for the entire human race.

Exactly. Christianity has been castrated, but it still commits massive harm to the world. It just does it far more subtlety than Islam.

Is the general who orders the slaughter of civilians any less guilty of genocide than the soldiers acting out that order? Indirect action is still a deliberate decision and absolves the decision maker of no guilt.