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Obligatory: Time to ban guns again.

thunderlips11 says

If lack of assimilation and jobs is the problem, how come the Gypsies and Travellers aren't blowing shit up and ramming trucks into crowds?

For some strange reason it only affects Muslims.

indigenous says

I don't think they would have grown the way they have without the fuel of US wars.

This article speaks to that point

http://patrick.net/Stop+Helping+ISIS+in+Its+War+on+the+Gray+Zone

thunderlips11 says

If lack of assimilation and jobs is the problem, how come the Gypsies and Travellers aren't blowing shit up and ramming trucks into crowds?

This is apt to that point

http://patrick.net/Stop+Helping+ISIS+in+Its+War+on+the+Gray+Zone

Dan8267 says

They are all parts of a continuous spectrum of behavior in which each point acts as a gateway to the next.

Dan doesn't believe in gateway drugs, only gateway religions.

NuttBoxer says

Dan doesn't believe in gateway drugs, only gateway religions.

This article speaks to that point

http://patrick.net/Stop+Helping+ISIS+in+Its+War+on+the+Gray+Zone

indigenous says

I don't think they would have grown the way they have without the fuel of US wars.

ok, i'll grant you that invading iraq after saudi arabia attacked us on 9/11 was an epic blunder, or perhaps simply epic evil.

the cancer of wahabism was not only completely unblamed and unpunished for murdering thousands of americans, it was rewarded by gw bush with the gift of taking out wahabism's enemy iraq so it could spread faster and cause more terrorism around the world.

and so wahabi terrorism continued to spread, facilitated by the rise of the internet, and the spread continued under the clintons, and continued under obama. http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13621/

trump has a lot of flaws, but at least he says a lot of shit that no one else will say:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/27/trump-would-consider-halting-purchase-of-oil-from-saudi-arabia

anyway, sure, US foreign policy under bush was exceptionally bad and directly helped the saudis continue to spread terrorism around the world, but it's not the cause of wahabism, just one more facilitating factor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

wahabism has one point in its favor: it is extremely honest and unapologetic about what islam really is.

rando says

and so wahabi terrorism continued to spread, facilitated by the rise of the internet, and the spread continued under the clintons, and continued under obama.

I think you are right on this

http://patrick.net/Social+media%27s+echo+chambers+may+do+to+society+what+radio+once+did

rando says

bush was exceptionally bad and directly helped the saudis continue to spread terrorism around the world, but it's not the cause of wahabism, just one more facilitating factor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wahhabism

There is more to it than that

http://patrick.net/Stop+Helping+ISIS+in+Its+War+on+the+Gray+Zone

Just to be clear regarding my earlier post. I'm aware Muslims have hijacked planes, etc before we started bombing Iraq. What I'm saying is, since we have escalated our interference in the middle east to previously unheard of levels, the blowback is becoming more extreme, and more frequent. And why not? Just about every religion has a fanatical branch that believes in violence, from the Crusades, to Jihads. Most believers in a religion tend to stay away from the fringes, but when you destroy the fabric of their society, over a sustained period of time through war, you are going to get a larger percentage of the population gravitating towards these extremists.

So what myself and I believe indigenous are saying is, stop giving incentive for people to join up with these nut jobs.

As to the issue of having a decades long war against a certain region, then forcefully relocating people from that war torn region to the very countries who have been bombing them... That level of stupidity is only achievable by the entity we call government.

And yes, France has actively been involved in the bombings under the guise of the UN.

Nuttboxer

This is by Dan Sanchez who works with Jeff Tucker

http://patrick.net/Stop+Helping+ISIS+in+Its+War+on+the+Gray+Zone

At least Bush fixed Iraq: Got rid of that bad ol' Saddam who was funding all the terrorists.

Hey Cabroncito,

Wheres all the sarcastic postings about how its all muslims?

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=057_1468576732

Obama announces a total truck ban . He says white trucks keep attacking innocent pedestrians

The terrorist truck in Nice, France. A 31 year-old French-Tunisian drove half a mile up on a curb targeting people on Bastille Day.

Newt said Obama will probably call for truck regulation.

“I fully expect by tomorrow morning that President Obama will have rediscovered his left-wing roots and will give a press conference in which he will explain the problem is too many trucks. if only we had truck regulation then we wouldn’t have problems like Nice. Because it is trucks that are dangerous. I mean that is the exact analogue to Orlando and just tells you how nuts the left-wing in America is.“

dodgerfanjohn says

Wheres all the sarcastic postings about how its all muslims?

Back at you: Where was all the armchair social anthropology on the Muslim roots of all terrorism during the Dallas shooting?

Did you notice how few posts there were in those threads. "Oops - doesn't fit the model."

Finally, I would like to be the first one in this thread to say "Islamic extremism"!

Only Strategist has come close so far, saying "Islamic terrorism," which counts. When Obama fails to say those words, he gives comfort to our enemies.

I had thought that Patrick.net was now mostly Stormfront racists (well, to be fair, people who support a man because he says racist things but they're not racist and he's not racist).
Is Patrick.net full of Islamiacs with hijab-wearing wives? WTF?

NuttBoxer says

Most believers in a religion tend to stay away from the fringes, but when you destroy the fabric of their society, over a sustained period of time through war, you are going to get a larger percentage of the population gravitating towards these extremists.

The issue is that many of these attackers are homegrown, I believe this guy was a French citizen of Tunisian descent. It is not even a question of split loyalties, this is outright sedition and treason. He is the french version of the "disaffected." Besides, Islam does not really recognize national borders as their followers are instructed to have only religious loyalty in the name of worldwide caliphate.

dublin hillz says

this is outright sedition and treason

Agreed.

As are Confederate flags in front of statehouses.

HydroCabron says

I had thought that Patrick.net was now mostly Stormfront racists

HydroCabron says

At least Bush fixed Iraq: Got rid of that bad ol' Saddam who was funding all the terrorists.

Glad you pointed out that Obama stopped it and hillary voted for it. Job well done

NuttBoxer says

And yes, France has actively been involved in the bombings under the guise of the UN.

Yes, they also have too many ghettoized muslims. Bringing them in en masse and allowing them to ghettoize is the biggest fuck-up. This pattern is repeated throughout Western and Northern Europe.

indigenous says

US complicity is just swallowing the military industrial kool aid

Friends in government helping friends in private sector and also boosting their(congressmen) stock portfolios.

indigenous says

Do you really think that the Muslim terrorists have killed a fraction of that

around the world, many multiples of that.

Ironman says

Here's a map of the route the truck took:

good lord, the guy drove more than a mile....

MMR says

Bringing them in en masse and allowing them to ghettoize....

are both mistakes, but the first is the biggest by far. Even with opportunities to integrate, Muslims tend to self-segregate around mosques. The Islamic worldview differs profoundly from the western view, and Muslim parents who want to "protect" their children from western influence are highly motivated to self-segregate. The only people to bring in from Muslim countries are those who are trying to get away from all that, e.g. atheists and other non-Muslims who want to avoid getting killed by Muslims. Current policy of invade&import brings in believers: wherever they go, they bring their problems with them.

curious2 says

Current policy of invade&import brings in believers: wherever they go, they bring their problems with them.

What is difficult to figure out are the motivations for why the leaders of the liberal nations want to bring in these conservative throwbacks given their assimilation difficulties and general anti-liberal attitudes. Is it some kind of unconscious death wish? I can't believe that it was simply about need for "cheap labor" considering possible alternative sources.

dublin hillz says

What is difficult to figure out are the motivations for why the leaders of the liberal nations want to bring in these conservative throwbacks given their assimilation difficulties and general anti-liberal attitudes. Is it some kind of unconscious death wish? I can't believe that it was simply about need for "cheap labor" considering possible alternative sources

I think it is a case of some Westerners hate their culture so much that any other culture is seen as superior to their own despite its obvious flaws that they can't resist anything that undermines the hated one. It's all part of multiculti and diversity--there is no real sense that all cultures are equal but that any culture is preferable to bourgeoise Western, white, heterosexual and especially--ESPECIALLY--Christian culture.

dublin hillz says

motivations for why the leaders of the liberal nations

Motivations include funding from the military industrial complex (including mass surveillance) and Saudi petrodollars. When Hillary Clinton said lethal terrorism is "clearly rooted in Islamic thinking," she went on to say (in her Neville Chamberlain way) that we must work with the "moderate" Muslims (who fund her campaign, e.g. Saudi Arabia) and increase surveillance and fight the "radical" Muslims who do what Islam tells them to do. Saudi petrodollars enable infinite borrowing and spending by American politicians, who can become much more powerful if they can continue the existing program.

Meanwhile, the voters are deluded by NATO government and commercial media. Most don't question authority. They see a photo of a child who drowned in the Mediterranean, and hear a politician say we need to continue bombing Syria and importing Muslims. Somehow, the voters don't question why the child drowned, because the cognitive dissonance would be too painful: the child drowned because NATO air power and militias financed by NATO and Saudi Arabia are waging war in Syria. Prior to the decision to "liberate" Syria, there weren't Syrian refugees drowning in the Mediterranean. Now, there are, and the NATO politicians say it justifies continuing the policies that cause it. Somehow, voters believe it, because they prefer to continue trusting their favorite sources more than their own eyes.

curious2 says

Motivations include funding from the military industrial complex

"Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite." Eisenhower

P N Dr Lo R says

"Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite." Eisenhower

Full text here. Other relevant excerpts:

"In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

Such a confederation must be one of equals. The weakest must come to the conference table with the same confidence as do we, protected as we are by our moral, economic, and military strength."

In my opinion, Americans have become too easily divided and manipulated on the basis of delusional fears that obstruct our view of actual threats. Nixon's deals with Saudi Arabia have enabled American politicians to borrow and spend vast sums on the military-industrial complex, thus manifesting the disastrous rise of misplaced power that President Eisenhower warned against. We have wasted too many resources fighting imaginary foes, and fighting amongst ourselves, so we become a spent force when confronted with actual enemies who are actually trying to kill us.

curious2 says

Most don't question authority. They see a photo of a child who drowned in the Mediterranean, and hear a politician say we need to continue bombing Syria and importing Muslims. Somehow, the voters don't question why the child drowned, because the cognitive dissonance would be too painful: the child drowned because NATO air power and militias financed by NATO and Saudi Arabia are waging war in Syria. Prior to the decision to "liberate" Syria, there weren't Syrian refugees drowning in the Mediterranean. Now, there are, and the NATO politicians say it justifies continuing the policies that cause it. Somehow, voters believe it, because they prefer to continue trusting their favorite sources more than their own eyes.

Yep. It started with the policy to destabilize Assad in 2011 - when Hillary was Sec State.

Furthermore, the Turks are using Refugees as a negotiating tool for Germoney; and most of the Med Boat People aren't Syrian, but Eritrean, Somali, etc.

Too many people have a Lord of the Rings view of the world, the Good Liberal Gondorians against the Authoritarian Evil Orcs and (esp.) Easterlings.

Real life is more complicated.

Ice Cream Man!

Trust the peaceful Muslim when he claims to be delivering dessert, because not all Muslims are Terrorists.

Killer Mohamed Lahouaiej Bouhlel was parked up on the Promenade des Anglais for almost nine hours before his horrific attack after telling police he was 'delivering ice cream', according to reports.

The 31-year-old French-Tunisian later drove the lorry he had hired two days before through packed crowds who were headed home after Bastille Day firework celebrations, killing at least 84 people.

Online news reports have emerged claiming Bouhlel, who worked as a delivery driver according to Nice Matin, had told police he was dropping off supplies of ice cream.

They allowed him to stay on the busy road for almost nine hours before the attack and failed to check his vehicle - where he had stashed a cache of guns and grenades.

thunderlips11 says

They allowed him to stay on the busy road for almost nine hours before the attack and failed to check his vehicle - where he had stashed a cache of guns and grenades.

I wonder if he had perhaps conspired with accomplices who didn't show up, and then maybe he got tired of waiting for them.

If more people in the crowd had trucks, this wouldn't have happened.

thunderlips11 says

Yep. It started with the policy to destabilize Assad in 2011 - when Hillary was Sec State.

Dumb move, just as going after Saddam, Mubarak,Qaddafi, most of which happened under Obama belt and aided and abetted by Hillary all the way

Even bush going after Saddam, was supported in earnest by Hillary

Muslim countries have to be dictatorships because the plebes are incapable of secular rule. Leave it in their hands and they will pick sharia law

MMR says

Muslim countries have to be dictatorships because the plebes are incapable of secular rule. Leave it in their hands and they will pick sharia law

Absolutely. That is why they have to be controlled through puppet dictators.

dublin hillz says

I can't believe that it was simply about need for "cheap labor" considering possible alternative sources.

In the case of a country like Germany, it is rooted in guilt over the holocaust. Now they have to overcompensate by showing tolerance to "the downtrodden"

Reality is, many of these guys are neither downtrodden nor are many of them producers. Rather, many are takers

Europe , in particular Western Europe and Northern Europe screwed up by allowing such large numbers to emigrate and ghettoize

MMR says

around the world, many multiples of that.

indigenous says

Myth, lies, and propaganda. Anyone can make a pie chart and put anything in it.

Excellent explanation that refutes everything.

Strategist says

indigenous says

Unsurprisingly, indigenous fell for some of the most unredeemable propositions, usually supported only by the most disoriented leftists like Noam Chomsky.

"It's all our fault. Everything the US does is motivated purely by profits. We are the worst, and if not for us the world would be living a golden age by now. Jihadism wouldn't exist without us."

MMR says

In the case of a country like Germany, it is rooted in guilt over the holocaust. Now they have to overcompensate by showing tolerance to "the downtrodden"

1%er Germans are aware that the slowly declining population is bad news for wages (increasing) and rents (Decreasing). So if the government taxes middle class workers more to insure the government transfers billions of Euros in rent support for refugees to private landlords.

There were several stories about German hotels laying off their workers and lease the whole hospitality complex over to the Government for Refugee Housing. They get a big fat check, social and other gov't workers run the place, no need for a payroll and no responsibility because the German Government pays for insurance/upkeep.