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Well, it is.
It is evidence that Hillary and Huma did not turn over all devices in their possession containing email sent/received from the clinton server which they attested to under oath.

Tampajoe says

Correct--and a bunch of emails being sent from the Clinton private server is evidence of nothing. Is there any evidence--any?

Patrick says

So when Comey stops investigating Hillary, then he's just "doing his job" but when he takes up the investigation again, then he's "damaging our democracy".

WTF?

Can't they at least pretend to be somewhat objective about Hillary, and not so blatantly partisan in her favor?

You're not this stupid PAtrick, just ridiculously biased. As someone that is also biased, but retains a little more objectivity than you, let me break it down for you.

The problem with Comey's wasn't in the slightest that he was taking up the investigation again. It's that he publicly announced it, implying they've got something on her a week before the election. It's observations such as yours that lend credence to the idea that objective reality has a left wing bias.

Many republicans are not as biased as you.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/10/31/1589052/-Comey-draws-criticism-from-Republicans-for-putting-himself-in-the-middle-of-the-election

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/01/even-republicans-now-believe-the-fbis-james-comey-has-made-a-ter/

you have to understand that Washington Post has reduced itself to credibility levels of the National Inquirerer.

"Whether he knew it would be leaked or not is irrelevant."

Well, here in the real world, I'll have to disagree with you on that one. It's insanely relevant.

"He promised the senators at the end of the july investigation he would inform them if any other evidence presented itself."

And that didn't happen. Some POTENTIAL evidence presented itself. No real evidence. He hadn't read any emails at that point because he didn't have a warrant. He wouldn't have been withholding anything because he didn't have anything.

"Well, it is.
It is evidence that Hillary and Huma did not turn over all devices in their possession containing email sent/received from the clinton server which they attested to under oath."

Not unless you can prove that Huma or Hillary knew those emails were on Weiner's computer. Which Comey certainly could not do.

This Joe Walsh guy is a strong republican Trump supporter and Hillary hater, but I respect the fact that he's not blinded by his emotions.

(not the guitarist)

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/30/joe-walsh-clinton-comey-tweets/93036902/

You obviously don't understand email header metadata.
That information is not in the body text of the email.
Most of it is hidden from view of the reader unless you dig deep.
The metadata probably shows Huma sending email, on her account on the laptop, over the laptop, to the clinton server.
That is solid evidence Huma knew the laptop contained email correspondence between the clinton server and the weiner laptop.

Tampajoe says

Not unless you can prove that Huma or Hillary knew those emails were on Weiner's computer. Which Comey certainly could not do.

"You obviously don't understand email header metadata.
That information is not in the body text of the email.
Most of it is hidden from view of the reader unless you dig deep.
The metadata probably shows Huma sending email, on her account on the laptop, over the laptop, to the clinton server.
That is solid evidence Huma knew the laptop contained email correspondence between the clinton server and the weiner laptop."

Thanks for the lesson. Please tell me what else I don't understand. So, it's impossible that Weiner either knew or guessed her password and looked at emails? Is there any evidence that emails were sent from that computer? Or were they just viewed?

Just how email metadata is stored in an email message file on a computer.

Tampajoe says

Please tell me what else I don't understand.

Irrelevant to our discussion.

Tampajoe says

So, it's impossible that Weiner either knew or guessed her password and looked at emails?

Yes, there is evidence that emails were sent/received from weiners laptop to the clinton server.
It is contained in the individual email metadata files.
It is what Comey presented to the Justice department to get a warrant to read the email body text.
That is why the democrat led justice department had to consent to issuing a warrant for the FBI to read the email body text, against the democrats best interest.

Tampajoe says

Is there any evidence that emails were sent from that computer? Or were they just viewed?

"Yes, there is evidence that emails were sent/received from weiners laptop to the clinton server."

link? I've seen nothing that says they were sent from Weiner's computer.

Put Donna Brazille in charge of the investigation.

If Comey made a mistake, it seems to me it was in promising to notify Congress that he would notify them if he reopened the case. That was a promise that he couldn't necessarily keep without breaking tradition or possibly the law.

I read this morning that they have not found anything new as of yet. To me that means that they are highly unlikely to find anything new. They could easily do a search for all emails either to or from Hillary's address. Then compared the text of those emails against her server. That would immediately give them a list of new emails to sort through. They might then search for emails with specific key words to either target the new HRC emails or to find pertinent info in non-HRC emails. They might then go through emails manually to see if there is information that they couldn't pick up through targeted searches. But, they would be highly unlikely to find information manually that they couldn't find through searches.

I understand that they said it might take weeks to do an exhaustive search. But 95% of the work is done very quickly. It's the last 5% that takes weeks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/us/politics/justice-department-warrant-clinton-abedin-fbi.html?_r=0

Justice department would not have issued warrant for fbi to search weiners laptop without incriminating email metadata.

Tampajoe says

"Yes, there is evidence that emails were sent/received from weiners laptop to the clinton server."

link? I've seen nothing that says they were sent from Weiner's computer.

Not sure if it's a mistake, but that certainly is the crux of the matter. He promised congress. He delivered on his promise.
If the timing of the leak is so bad, why not pursue the senators that leaked it? Condemn the guilty!!

YesYNot says

If Comey made a mistake, it seems to me it was in promising to notify Congress that he would notify them if he reopened the case. That was a promise that he couldn't necessarily keep without breaking tradition or possibly the law.

"Justice department would not have issued warrant for fbi to search weiners laptop without incriminating email metadata."

So, that's a no. And you've basically just proven my point. The only way for him to get the warrant was to leak it so that the press and public demanded to know what was in the emails. Thank you.

But 95% of the work is done very quickly
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That assumes that they operate with the same skill level and tools you are used to seeing in SV. For all you know the people working this are on old computers and outdated software. It is the government. Budgets don't always permit the best of the best of everything. I don't know either... I'm just saying that it wouldn't surprise me to learn that they are on equipment and software from ought 1.

Ranina ranina says

why not pursue the senators that leaked it?

Couple of reasons:
1. Hatch act applies to executive branch, not legislative branch.
2. Justice department has policy of not getting involved in political elections. Not congress.
3. Congressmen Chaffetz is from a heavily R district, and only will face a challenge in primaries.

That said, he has had an ethics complaint filed against him: http://www.politicususa.com/2016/10/31/ethics-complaint-filed-rep-jason-chaffez-releasing-comey-clinton-email-letter.html

Need another list...of ASSHOLES that have been believing the Main Slime Media for the last few decades
or since the invention of the printing press.

About 50 years ago an old construction worker told me that the press was not about the news/facts,
they are about selling advertising space.
Today's saying may apply: "Follow the money."

Well surely the R/D politically biased FBI has never closed a case where someone was guilty.

turtledove says

That assumes that they operate with the same skill level and tools you are used to seeing in SV.

I'd say it assumes that they aren't completely incompetent. I code a little as needed to get my job done, but I'm far from a legitimate programmer. That said, I'm pretty sure that I could accomplish the task pretty quickly using any old windows or linux computer. They could just use Weiner's computer if the FBI's are from 1981 or something. Maybe the spend all of their budget on sunglasses :). They surely have already written some scripts to organize the emails that they have, so they are not starting form zero.

Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.
You know this.

Tampajoe says

So, that's a no. And you've basically just proven my point. The only way for him to get the warrant was to leak it so that the press and public demanded to know what was in the emails. Thank you.

Nonetheless, the senators who leaked it have instigated the issue.
Pursue them from a moral standpoint. They are the guilty ones...

YesYNot says

Ranina ranina says

why not pursue the senators that leaked it?

Couple of reasons:

1. Hatch act applies to executive branch, not legislative branch.

2. Justice department has policy of not getting involved in political elections. Not congress.

"Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.
You know this."

He leaked it to press via a friendly Senator.

Ranina ranina says

Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.

You know this.

By that logic, why blame Chaffetz? Why not blame the press and twitter? After all, the press and twitter are the ones who published it to the world.

If organization A has a rule against releasing information to the world, and they give it to party B so that B can release it, that's not really the same as keeping it secret. It's kind of like the hacked emails. Russia has a public policy of not hacking other country's organization and then releasing the info to the world. So, they give the data to Wikileaks, so that Wikileaks can publish them to the world. If we know that Russia did the hacking and passed it to Wikileaks, do we give Russia a pass, and just blame Wikileaks?

Comey announced to a Committee that has been riding his ass for months, in front of whom he testified for hours multiple times this years, of a new development in the case.

Obama supported his integrity after he did so. Lynch gave him the go-ahead to examine the emails.

All else is sour grapes. If Hillary didn't want this, she could have used the State Department email as policy required. You cannot store classified info on an unauthorized server, and you certainly can't have Aides forwarding sensitive State emails to their Yahoo! accounts.

This is 100% her own doing.

But just like a Hillary, she's going to attack those investigating her and blame vast right wing conspiracies, Putin, etc.

Patrick says

How can anyone trust the mainstream press anymore?

You can't. Every time you see a story reported you have to ask yourself who paid for it, and what favors were exchanged for reporting it as it was reported.

The MSM is up for sale. Political parties and others with money and power can have the US media message Americans for their own purposes. It is undeniable thanks to Wikileaks.

It's 1984, but it's the political parties and the related wealthy and powerful who control the media, and not an oppressive government.

American Media: where the shadow government goes to pay to cornhole the nation!

Well if you want to make that leap of logic then you need to blame the press for publishing it to the world.
Everybody in the chain is guilty by these standards...

Tampajoe says

"Comey did not leak it to the press. The senators who received his letter did.

You know this."

He leaked it to press via a friendly Senator.

Agreed.
Comey and Chaffetz are now absolved, and the MSM should be punished for this act.

YesYNot says

why blame Chaffetz? Why not blame the press and twitter? After all, the press and twitter are the ones who published it to the world.

"Well if you want to make that leap of logic then you need to blame the press for publishing it to the world.
Everybody in the chain is guilty by these standards"

Nope. Only one of them had a policy not to release details of ongoing investigations. For precisely this reason.

Ranina ranina says

Comey and Chaffetz are now absolved, and the MSM should be punished for this act.

Might as well absolve the media. They just published the news. Blame the idiots that believed it. As the OP says: How can anyone trust the press these days?

FIFY.
Always go to the source of the problem. Everything else is just collateral damage...

Tampajoe says

Nope. Only one of them had a policy not to release details of ongoing investigations put government emails on personal servers.

Patrick says

How can anyone trust the mainstream press anymore?

Depends on what you call the mainstream press. I have a high degree of confidence in PBS and NPR, not so much other news agencies.

Dan8267 says

I have a high degree of confidence in PBS and NPR

The same people who put a known Obama supporter to moderate a presidential debate? PBS has an extreme liberal bias.

zzyzzx is deplorable says

PBS has an extreme liberal bias.

Reality has an extreme liberal bias.

Media in the U.S. (and much of Europe & Asia) is LITERALLY controlled by 22 corporations (6 own every cable channel, radio channel, network, paper, etc. in the U.S.).

We no longer have anything resembling a 5th Estate or free press; we have a media that dishes out the narrative on any given subject that the corporate-WallStreet/Banking-military-pharma-et al complex wants the narrative to be.

The preordained narrative shapes public opinion, which has no impact on legislation or policy anyways (that was preordained from the start as the policy makers, legislators and regulators are all captured).

4 hour time limit is up with no response.
I win by default.
Where do I collect my prize?

Ranina ranina says

FIFY.

Always go to the source of the problem. Everything else is just collateral damage...

Tampajoe says

Nope. Only one of them had a policy not to release details of ongoing investigations put government emails on personal servers.

A relevant little gem...

www.youtube.com/embed/5fipy8ChZ6Q