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Rashomon says

What is that supposed to mean?

The Professional Class has always been against the Working Class. Sometimes they cover up by "picking and choosing" some poor people to hold up over others, while condemning another group as unfairly besieged.

They used to do this with the former English Poor Commoners a victim of the times and "high farming" vs. the Papist Superstitious Dissolute SubhumanIrish.
Or with the dumb Blacks who can be violent and animalistic at times vs. the hardy Pioneer, hardscrabble and rude but a tough fighter.
Today it's the evil White racist, sexist, misogynist deplorable methheads from the Heartland vs. the poor Oppressed Brown people just trying to better themselves.

And what, you think Trump is standing up for the working class??

Rashomon says

And what, you think Trump is standing up for the working class??

He certainly didn't win by the Urban Professional Class vote.

T L Lipsovich says

If so, why is the bashing only one way?

Really ? The bashing of HIllary was pretty constant. But people in Russia and the FBI clearly didn't think it was shrill enough.

I'm not saying that as much time was spent bashing Hillary as Trump. But then we're comparing a career government person with a pretty extensive govt positive record to go along with some serious negatives (I'm talking the legit ones - which is a small fraction of what the right wing machine would say about her murders, BEnghazi and on and on. But the emial questions were legit).

Sometimes, one candidate really is WAY WAY worse than the other. The bashing of Trump should have been much stronger. Did he even really deep down want to win ? Other than for what it does for his ego ?

Rashomon says

Or simply that Trump's inadequacies are rather more glaring.

Or that the Press commits their great Bias Sin of Omission.

The Press can't control the narrative any more. Their Unmentioned Facts are a mouseclick away, they're no longer a trip to the Library's Microfiche Records trying to find that article in that foreign newspaper you once read that claimed the opposite...

T L Lipsovich says

He certainly didn't win by the Urban Professional Class vote.

He won by pandering to baser instincts. He isn't a bloody champion of the working class FFS.

Rashomon says

He won by pandering to baser instincts. He isn't a bloody champion of the working class FFS.

Politfact: "Mostly True"

T L Lipsovich says

Or that the Press commits their great Bias Sin of Omission.

The Press can't control the narrative any more.

Yeah, because Trump is whiter than white and offers them nothing to question. Oh, hang on...

Rashomon says

you think Trump is standing up for the working class

He figured out how to get their vote, in a way that makes me embarrassed to be an American.

That's all.

Rashomon says

Yeah, because Trump is whiter than white and offers them nothing to question. Oh, hang on...

Evil White Meathead Racist Sexist Deplorable. Not Educated, Urbane, Cosmopolitan who understands the harmful role of Toxic Masculinity and White Privilege.

T L Lipsovich says

Evil White Meathead Racist Sexist Deplorable. Not Educated, Urbane, Cosmopolitan who understands the role of Patriarchy.

Yawn. He's been a shit bag for a very long time. To pretend otherwise is just you falling in line with the alternative facts narrative.

www.youtube.com/embed/Pa-7a2gLDjI

Rashomon says

Yawn. He's been a shit bag for a very long time. To pretend otherwise is just you falling in line with the alternative facts narrative.

It's pure coincidence that the Coastal Elites who hate the White Working Class are Anti-Tariff and Pro-Outsourcing.

Yawn again. You and others on here are getting a little too high on your alt-right gibberish.

I love bouregois denying their Class Interests.

There is no Class Conflict, Smedley, I mean Frederica my Au Pair, You Tell Them!!

T L Lipsovich says

It's pure coincidence that the Coastal Elites who hate the White Working Class are Anti-Tariff and Pro-Outsourcing.

Yeah, the Donald stands for white (why just white?) working class because he so relates to their predicament. I mean just look at the characters he's trying to stuff his cabinet with. Warriors for the working class to a man!

T L Lipsovich says

I love bouregois denying their Class Interests.

There is no Class Conflict, Smedley, I mean Frederica my Au Pair, You Tell Them!!

? And Trump, a self-claimed billionaire...

Complaining about Mansplaining, Pussy Grabbing, Russia and the end of mandatory free Birth Control is the screaming on one side.

The other side is screaming about Jobs, the Glut of Workers, etc.

Which side has economic concerns, and which has traditional Decent Victorian Values, my dear People's Morality Concerns?

Rashomon says

? And Trump, a self-claimed billionaire...

And Franklin Roosevelt's Springwood had a tin roof and he grew up chasing rats in the alley to eat.

T L Lipsovich says

Complaining about Mansplaining, Pussy Grabbing, Russia and the end of mandatory free Birth Control is the screaming on one side.

The other side is screaming about Jobs, the Glut of Workers, etc.

And you really believe that's what the differences boil down to? This is getting seriously tedious.

I'm trying to get you to realize there is a big class component disguised in Race.

T L Lipsovich says

And Franklin Roosevelt's Springwood had a tin roof and he grew up chasing rats in the alley to eat.

And Trump's life's work and that of FDR lead you to think they are of similar standing in fighting for the (white) working class?

T L Lipsovich says

I'm trying to get you to realize there is a big class component disguised in Race.

Thanks. Are you doing that in between posting banal alt-right go to points?

Rashomon says

And Trump's life's work and that of FDR lead you to think they are of equal standing in fighting for the (white) working class?

After Trump serves into his 4th Term instead of a few days and we'll find out.

Rashomon says

Thanks. Are you doing that in between posting banal alt-right go to points?

I'm not alt-right, I'm happily married with children and a great job. Alt-right is NEET Incels or alcoholic middle aged men faking lower back pain to collect Soc Sec disability.

They think the Holocaust is overblown, Hydrogen Cyanide was just a harmless garden-variety pesticide, yet want to go into deep detail about a Friendly Fire incident from 50 years ago while explaining how a group that is a regular target of overwhelming Oil-fueled Bullying at the UN also somehow controls the World.

https://www.facebook.com/DSouzaDinesh/videos/1650157581677557/

While this comes from Gov Cuomo from NY, weve seen this time and time again from the media...including ABC, CBS, NBC, et al....and it shows just how in bed the MSM is with the Democrat Party.

Media Bias is saying that Milo Yannipoulous is repeating claims that he is a White Supremacist Fascist, without mentioning he's a Greek Jew Flaming Fashion Faggot who says Hitlerite things like bragging about how much Black Dick he sucks.

It really is too much, if you wrote a novel with this scene, the publisher would laugh you out the door.

T L Lipsovich says

After Trump serves into his 4th Term instead of a few days and we'll find out.

4th term indeed. Good one. He's 70 years old. His life's work doesn't start now.

T L Lipsovich says

Complaining about Mansplaining, Pussy Grabbing, Russia and the end of mandatory free Birth Control is the screaming on one side.

The other side is screaming about Jobs, the Glut of Workers, etc.

And you are complaining about media bias. That's rich.
Might as well say that one side is talking about the environment, equal rights, making globalization work, ending torture, higher minimum wage, etc. The other side is trying to bring back low skill manufacturing, tear down international relationships, deny environmental reality, control where everybody poops, start a religious war, and drive abortions back to the back alley.
Both your synopsis and mine are one sided crap that would never be published in the MSM.

YesYNot says

And you are complaining about media bias. That's rich.

Yes or No, the US Mainstream Media is controlled and consolidated in the hands of a handful - literally the definition of an Oligarchy?

http://www.forbes.com/sites/katevinton/2016/06/01/these-15-billionaires-own-americas-news-media-companies/#10760c9930b4

T L Lipsovich says

Yes or No, the US Mainstream Media is controlled and consolidated in the hands of a handful - literally the definition of an Oligarchy?

Yes.

Yes or no: Your statement was too biased to get through the MSM filter?

People don't read my posts on the Evening News broadcast to millions, nor does it appear in the majors newspapers, either print or digital.

Whereas Tom Friedman, Anne Applebaum, George Will are all over the print and television media. Digital Also.

It was a yes or no statement. Your response implies that you acknowledge that the answer is yes.

My point is that the MSM is much much much less biased than your posts. There are wide market pressures to get the story about right, regardless of the lack of companies producing content. When Baghdad bob spicy pants made an ass out of himself in his opening statement, he drew a false equivalency between himself and the media. He said that the press was allowed to make a mistake, and asked why he wasn't. The obvious answer is that the press is covering hundreds of stories each day. There are bound to be some mistakes. But when you are batting 0.250 and you are the WH press secretary, you are in the wrong job.

The MSM largely does an accurate job. My biggest gripe is that the news shows recycle the same content over and over with a different personality slapped on top of it. They fill too much air time with too little investigative reporting. I heard a comment the other day that this is a great time to be in news journalism. Sure, the WH is openly antagonistic. But there are tons of things to investigate, and you don't need Trump's permission or approval to do your job. Most of the media is just somebody hamming it up on air commenting on funny or witty tweets or comments from their colleagues.

YesYNot says

It was a yes or no statement. Your response implies that you acknowledge that the answer is yes.

My response implies nothing; I reject your framing :)

YesYNot says

The MSM largely does an accurate job.

The MSM misleads and half-truths by committing the sin of omission regularly. The editing of the sister of the felon the black cop shot is a great example, giving the impression she was calling against violence when she just wanted it in the White Neighborhood.

YesYNot says

But there are tons of things to investigate, and you don't need Trump's permission or approval to do your job. Most of the media is just somebody hamming it up on air commenting on funny or witty tweets or comments from their colleagues.

The investigative journalism budget was lower under Obama, because he was the preferred Oligarch's candidate, just as Hillary was.

That's why they gave them so much money.