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MMR says

Strategist says

Rin says

Remember, Shaq went back for a PhD, after he made his millions.

A PhD in what? Can't be anything brainy.

Correct it was an Ed.D I believe

What's more important is that Shaq had no loans to pay back.

MMR says

theoakman says

And you can't tell me that they can't accept them all when in fact....that's exactly what they do to the school 3 blocks down the street from me. There's nothing the kids who go to the private school near me do to standout other than have their parents toss around 200k

Is that the lawrenceville school or hun school? So what you are saying then is that the students at latter two schools are far less qualified but they are able to gain admission by having better contacts?

Proof that merit matters, but only up to a point.

For what it's worth I'm Indian and had 1/20 of resources these wunderkinds have and still made it to Emory university when my parents made slightly more money than the migrant farm workers daughter. From Gallup high school in Gallup, New Mexico. Had ZERO AP courses but did the best I could with what I got

Well I'm sure that some will be great but that most of the cohort will be very good worker bees

MMR says

For what it's worth I'm Indian and had 1/20 of resources these wunderkinds have and still made it to Emory university when my parents made slightly more money than the migrant farm workers daughter. From Gallup high school in Gallup, New Mexico. Had ZERO AP courses but did the best I could with what I got

MMR, if you had me as an uncle ... using a parallel universe metaphor, I would have gotten you the subject material for every single course you'd have to take at the Univ of London. I'd break up the material, making you master each section and then, supplement those units with online classes, in adjacent areas, allowing you to consolidate the information to the point, where outside of graduate level mathematics, you'd be among the best students in econometrics for the undergraduate club.

Not only will you get a 70% at UoL, but you'll be among the handful, you know, the Malaysian, Russian, Hong Kong geniuses, who will actually score between 80% to 95% on the final.

End result, you'll finish with a First Class Honours, probably get accepted into MS programs at Columbia, Carnegie-Mellon, U Chicago, etc, and you wouldn't have had to behave like the trained monkeys in American schools.

It's too bad that we live in our current reality.

tovarichpeter says

83% of U.S. top science students are children of immigrants

Very interesting subject. I don't know why Tovobot got 2 dislikes, but i gave him a like.

Strategist says

Just imagine if we had 11 million skilled workers, instead of 11 million unskilled illegal workers. We would be 50 years ahead.

If they are so damn skilled, then why are they paid considerably less than the American workers they replaced?

People should be paid according to what they produce. If these imported workers are more productive then the American workers they replaced, then they should be paid more.

He'd have an aids infested canadian passport...
Rin says

MMR, if you had me as an uncle ...

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

Just imagine if we had 11 million skilled workers, instead of 11 million unskilled illegal workers. We would be 50 years ahead.

If they are so damn skilled, then why are they paid considerably less than the American workers they replaced?

Why do we have strawberry pickers willing to work for less than Americans? They are still willing to work for less, because it's a heck of a lot more than what they could earn in their own country. The economics are no different for skilled workers.
Immigrants have always come to the melting pot because of better opportunities, and they have always brought down wages, including your ancestors.
You are just sore because you can't compete.

Macropodia the Troll says

He'd have an aids infested canadian passport...

Yup, that's right, instead of reading the Univ of London stuff, you know, content you know nothing about, you pick up from your usual trolling BS.

This conversation is between me and MMR. You on the other hand, are a piece of garbage.

So what's your academic advise for MMR? That's right, you have none because you're a stupid P.O.S.

Fuck you and I pray for your early death. Hopefully, you'll beat me to it.

See...that's whereMMR says

Is that the lawrenceville school or hun school? So what you are saying then is that the students at latter two schools are far less qualified but they are able to gain admission by having better contacts?

Proof that merit matters, but only up to a point.

For what it's worth I'm Indian and had 1/20 of resources these wunderkinds have and still made it to Emory university when my parents made slightly more money than the migrant farm workers daughter. From Gallup high school in Gallup, New Mexico. Had ZERO AP courses but did the best I could with what I got

Well I'm sure that some will be great but that most of the cohort will be very good worker bees

See...that's the problem. If you stick any of my best students in New Mexico, they get in. In this school that they are at...they don't when the top 20 students in the school average SAT scores in each subject is 799. My students are discriminated against because they are Asian and because they come from a public school that has an insane pool of talent. You can even take them out of their current school and stick them somewhere else in NJ and they'll get in anywhere they want.

I wouldn't classify these kids as worker bees. They are leaders. One of them, by sophomore year, built a car that traveled 1 mile on 8 food calories. He got a meeting with the board of directors of Tesla by age 19. Harvard and MIT missed out on him.

theoakman says

They are leaders. One of them, by sophomore year, built a car that traveled 1 mile on 8 food calories. He got a meeting with the board of directors of Tesla by age 19. Harvard and MIT missed out on him.

Oakman, why are you still encouraging your students in applying to these colleges, the regular way?

Why not the part-time Harvard extension classes or the Univ of London online, along with others?

If your kids have the talent, all they need is a bit of "brand name" to get past the recruiters at consulting and financial firms who hate to see ... State Univ from their applicants.

Ironman says

You really want it that way? Based on the way you spend over half the day on Patnet instead of working, your boss needs to seriously decrease your salary for lack of productivity.

The CEO of the company I work for, who's office is right next to mine, is quite pleased with my work and accomplishments. I produce more in a day than you have in a lifetime.

Dan8267 says

Ironman says

You really want it that way? Based on the way you spend over half the day on Patnet instead of working, your boss needs to seriously decrease your salary for lack of productivity.

The CEO of the company I work for, who's office is right next to mine, is quite pleased with my work and accomplishments. I produce more in a day than you have in a lifetime.

Dan, a simple "fuck you asshole" would suffice for a P.O.S like the so-called Mr Starks.

Strategist says

You are just sore because you can't compete.

I compete just fine and I'm set for life. However, unlike you, I actually give a damn about others including the next generation of STEM professionals. That is something you will never understand.

Macropodia the Troll says

He'd have an aids infested canadian passport...

Rin says

Fuck you and I pray for your early death.

I'm not a religious man, but that's the most convincing argument I've ever heard to change my mind.

Rin says

Dan, a simple "fuck you asshole" would suffice for a P.O.S like the so-called Mr Starks.

The irony is that he admires a fictional character who is basically the embodiment of me, except that I have no problem with alcohol. But as far as personality and work goes I'm pretty much Tony Stark, a confident, some would say borderline arrogant, engineer who thinks no problem is to hard to solve and has little tolerance for intellectual inferiors. Occasionally, I even sport a goatee.

Hmm, goatee...goat. Maybe that's the CIC connection.

Strategist says

Who knows. It would seem to me she is the cream of the cro

Sounds like some kind of racism of high expectation, kind of like the opposite of what we do with inner city people.

Asian kid getting into all ivies isn't newsworthy

Rin says

Oakman, why are you still encouraging your students in applying to these colleges, the regular way?

He is doing them a disservice that's for sure, unless he simply believes that Ivy League is overrated ....however it doesn't seem that it is the case at all

theoakman says

that's the problem. If you stick any of my best students in New Mexico, they get in

While I am inclined to agree with you, i doubt their resumes would be nearly as stellar as the resources in NJ are far superior to nearly all the schools in NM including some of the elite schools.

Also the job market in NM is not what it is for professionals in NJ other than maybe medicine.

Where I went to school we did not even have AP courses, which are highly valuable for someone wanting to do engineering or medicine

theoakman says

they don't when the top 20 students in the school average SAT scores in each subject is 799.

They should be going to less competitive school but one that still offers a plethora of AP courses

I have a cousin who graduated from Los Gatos Hs in Los Gatos, CA who went to Dartmouth....her grandmother, my aunt, is the type of nincompoop who argues that her daughter should have moved to Cupertino where the top 20 students all apply to the same schools

Whether right or wrong there is a quota of 21% at the ivies and no matter what, they are not going to take each and every kid from your school . Not going to happen even if hell freezes over.

The kids parents moved into school district because it is more cost effective to send multiple kids to public so there is money for college tuition. But this is the problem with living in a school district that is 30% or more Asian.

PS: the parents do a lot of scheming and planning behind the scenes to produce these accomplishments that their kids place on their resumes.

Intel competition is a good example of that but good luck getting anyone to fess up to it.

theoakman says

One of them, by sophomore year, built a car that traveled 1 mile on 8 food calories.

I take it his parents work at migrant farms in Dayton and along Dey road?

theoakman says

students are discriminated against because they are Asian and because they come from a public school that has an insane pool of talen

Yes it's known as racism and it has been prevalent quite some time.

It's worse when your an Asian American from a resource poor area and also financially unwell, because at end of day, I am competing against a batch of other asians who are in a much higher economic class.

If the ivies wanted to fill every seat based on talent, they could take each and every kid from their well known feeder schools and a few top private schools in NYC and call it a day.

theoakman says

You can even take them out of their current school and stick them somewhere else in NJ and they'll get in anywhere they want.

If going to ivies is so important, then that is exactly what the parents should do.

Public school isn't the hun school or lawrenceville school and it never will be.

Question: who benefits most from the Asian quota (hint:prob not blacks and hispanics)

theoakman says

got a meeting with the board of directors of Tesla by age 19. Harvard and MIT missed out on him.

Sounds like better fit for Carnegie Mellon to be perfectly frank than Harvard.

MIT maybe a good point but how did he do in the intel science competition where parents do 50% of work or more behind scenes (Indians and asians)

this is expected. American kids have never been hungry before.

advice to white parents: send your kids to Africa boarding schools.

theoakman says

See...that's the problem. If you stick any of my best students in New Mexico, they get in

Comparing them to me is apples vs oranges because these kids have highly educated professionals as parents making a hell of a lot more money than my parents did and access to academic resources that I didn't have

Still I became a resident in internal medicine the hard way at an advanced age as a second career and I start in July . I can confidently say that my teachers deserve virtually ZERO credit for the person I am today; only my parents, my wife and myself.

If it see my kid and I really cared that much about the ivies I wouldn't tell my kid what you tell your kids that's for certain.

Asian kids at schools where the top 20 kids have perfect SAT, it's a fact of life, all will not get into ivies. To hear you speak, you make it sound like yours is the only competitive school district in America with lots of Asians and it really isn't.

'Your Asians' have to compete with a slew of Asians across the US in other upper middle class enclaves and internationally.

Asians are seen as fungible assets at ivies until they aren't and then they are offered admission. The thing is merit matters, but so does luck and family connections and money.

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

advice to white parents: send your kids to Africa boarding schools.

Lol...only the British ones designed for internationals, although most schools there follow a British system.

Rin says

MMR, if you had me as an uncle ... using a parallel universe metaphor, I would have gotten you the subject material for every single course you'd have to take at the Univ of London. I'd break up the material, making you master each section and then, supplement those units with online classes, in adjacent areas, allowing you to consolidate the information to the point, where outside of graduate level mathematics, you'd be among the best students in econometrics for the undergraduate club.

That is a very high honor, I'm flattered that you think so highly of me....I certainly wish I had such guidance academically in the formative years.

I wish I was a bit younger, but if I could offer this someday to my future kids, I would rather have them do that than most of the alternatives.

How does one get their hands on such valuable info?

Article doesn't mention anything about 83% of recent refugees dropping out of school, going on welfare and becoming a terrorist.

MMR says

theoakman says

See...that's the problem. If you stick any of my best students in New Mexico, they get in

Comparing them to me is apples vs oranges because these kids have highly educated professionals as parents making a hell of a lot more money than my parents did and access to academic resources that I didn't have

Still I became a resident in internal medicine the hard way at an advanced age as a second career and I start in July . I can confidently say that my teachers deserve virtually ZERO credit for the person I am today; only my parents, my wife and myself.

If it see my kid and I really cared that much about the ivies I wouldn't tell my kid what you tell your kids that's for certain.

Asian kids at schools where the top 20 kids have perfect SAT, it's a fact of life, all will not get into ivies. To hear you speak, you make it sound like yours is the onl...

None of what you say is true about their parents. You've only proven the fact that they are discriminated against because you automatically assume they were of the mold of a cookie cutter asian, which would have been my other 50 students.

MMR says

theoakman says

One of them, by sophomore year, built a car that traveled 1 mile on 8 food calories.

I take it his parents work at migrant farms in Dayton and along Dey road?

MMR says

theoakman says

You can even take them out of their current school and stick them somewhere else in NJ and they'll get in anywhere they want.

If going to ivies is so important, then that is exactly what the parents should do.

Public school isn't the hun school or lawrenceville school and it never will be.

Question: who benefits most from the Asian quota (hint:prob not blacks and hispanics)

The privileged rich and legacies benefit from the quota.

MMR says

theoakman says

they don't when the top 20 students in the school average SAT scores in each subject is 799.

They should be going to less competitive school but one that still offers a plethora of AP courses

I have a cousin who graduated from Los Gatos Hs in Los Gatos, CA who went to Dartmouth....her grandmother, my aunt, is the type of nincompoop who argues that her daughter should have moved to Cupertino where the top 20 students all apply to the same schools

Whether right or wrong there is a quota of 21% at the ivies and no matter what, they are not going to take each and every kid from your school . Not going to happen even if hell freezes over.

The kids parents moved into school district because it is more cost effective to send multiple kids to public so there is money for college tuition. But this is the problem with living in a school district that is 30...

You aren't telling me anything I don't already know. In the schools that I've taught at, the area is very wealthy. The asian block all occupy the new townhomes/condos and are mired in a low standard of living because they paid $500k for a 2 bedroom town home. I have rich kids who vacation in the Caribbean and South America and put on their resume all the "charity work" they do there. Their parents also get them fancy internships at Goldman Sachs and Chase. The asian parents all flock to these districts because they are under the assumption that they are getting a better education because it is so highly rated. In reality, it's highly rated because the asians all moved in so it is a self fulfilling prophecy. It works against them because they are diluted by other superior asian students. If they would move two towns over, they would be ranked #1 and would get into where they want.

Btw, I know the Physics teacher at Los Gatos high school. He's a real piece of shit.

theoakman says

In reality, it's highly rated because the asians all moved in so it is a self fulfilling prophecy. It works against them because they are diluted by other superior asian students. If they would move two towns over, they would be ranked #1 and would get into where they want.

Exactly, so they should do that instead of being hardheaded morons.

Los Gatos is much nicer and less Asian than Cupertino. I don't know the physics teacher but odds are if he is still there, then my cousin (first removed)had him.

She is second year at Dartmouth. Father orthopedic surgeon and mom(first cousin) is stay at home

Ironman says

and when you had the opportunity to meet here in Jersey, you decided to sneak in and out and NOT tell me you were here.

Weren't you the one who invited me to your alleged house but refuse to give the address? Weren't you the person who refused to meet at a bar multiple times? Cowardice, plain and simple. By the way, what is your obsession with me? Jealousy? If you were happily married, you wouldn't be so jealous. That's what sad.

Living well is the best revenge.

tovarichpeter says

83% of U.S. top science students are children of immigrants

The bottom line for this thread is that unless America incentivizes rather than disincentivizes STEM careers, fewer Americans will take the time, expense, and enormous effort require to become a STEM professional. No chooses to do hard work that pays little and provides no job security. As a society, we need to decide whether we want to be leaders in science and technology, or customers of more advanced nations. Pretty much all of America's success so far has been due to either natural resource abundance or to technological leadership, and the later is far more important in the 21st century.

Dan8267 says

The bottom line for this thread is that unless America incentivizes rather than disincentivizes STEM careers, fewer Americans will take the time, expense, and enormous effort require to become a STEM professional. No chooses to do hard work that pays little and provides no job security.

Burger flipping is hard work. It pays nothing, and has zero job security. Yet people do it. Being a doctor pays a lot and has job security. Why doesn't everyone become a doctor?
Bottom line. Those with skills, hard work and dedication will always rise to the top, and they will always have job security. If hard work is not your style, you will be mediocre at best.

Really? It takes as much time and training to flip burgers as to be a STEM professional? This is a faulty comparison.

Back in the 1950s the U.S. government invested in STEM in order to stay ahead of the Soviet Union. As a result, America became an economic and technological leader, something it had never done before. Investing in STEM and paying professional scientists and engineers paid ample returns.

Undermining STEM does raise stock prices in the short-term, but we're shooting ourselves in the foot. If you think America is dependent on foreign talent now -- which it is not -- imagine what 20 years in the future will look like when no American born adults enter the STEM field. Yes, this is a brain drain, and it is bad for the United States.

The greatest economic asset in any nation is a skilled workforce.

Dan8267 says

Yes, this is a brain drain, and it is bad for the United States.

You did not read up on "brain drain" did you?
OK.......
Brain Drain | Definition of Brain Drain by Merriam-Webster
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/brain%20drain
Definition of brain drain. : the departure of educated or professional people from one country, economic sector, or field for another usually for better pay or living conditions.

We, my dear Dan, have a brain gain. Not a brain drain.

Dan8267 says

Really? It takes as much time and training to flip burgers as to be a STEM professional? This is a faulty comparison.

So you are saying.....A college student decides not to go into STEM, because it's too much work for the 100K+ he would get. So he opts for a job that pays the average, $50K.
Lets ask all the workers who make the average $50K, and ask them if the are willing to work harder for $100K+. what do you think their answer will be?

I don't condemn such jokes, so there is no hypocrisy. You do, so you are a hypocrite.