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bob2356 says

Strategist says

Violence and human rights abuse via the sharia laws. Every single day where ever there are Muslims.


It's what happens when you take your morals from a 7th century child molester.

Good non answer. Where is all this ultra violence? With 1 billion people practising ultra violence it should be a slaughter house in Asia. All this ultra violence Is not in the news, What are your sources other than the usual it's true because I believe it should be true?

Every few hours there is a major terrorist attack by the peaceful Muslims. And so many Islamic honor killings and human rights abuses. That is ultra violence.
It's time to shoot the devil and free the unfortunate, possessed Muslims.

PeopleUnited says

Christ and by simply putting my faith in Him I could have forgiveness and eternal life. The Holy Spirit convinced me that this is true and I have faith in what He revealed to me. And while I owe God everything, there is nothing I can do to earn His favor. If I do anything good is not even I that do it but Christ in me. I could never set foot in a church, never say another prayer, never donate another cent to help my fellow humans and still I could not change that God saved me and forgave me once and for all time. Those who have not experienced God cannot understand it. But it still does not make it untrue. Truth is truth. God is God. And nothing can change that.

You have faith in human reasoning, and many many people share that faith. But when you experience God you will see the folly of human reasoning. His ways are above our ways.

Good thing you weren't raised a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. You could have easily become brainwashed to join ISIS.

bob2356 says

Strategist says

Violence and human rights abuse via the sharia laws. Every single day where ever there are Muslims.


It's what happens when you take your morals from a 7th century child molester.

Good non answer. Where is all this ultra violence? With 1 billion people practising ultra violence it should be a slaughter house in Asia. All this ultra violence Is not in the news, What are your sources other than the usual it's true because I believe it should be true?

Hey, lets ask the Yazidi girls if Muslims are a source of ultra violence on a daily basis.

curious2 says

Any time you try to argue in defense of Islam, you are almost certain to lose. Most purported defenses are in fact hallucinations and wilful ignorance of history.

So the billion plus muslims living around the world outside of the middle east are what? Too ignorant of their own religion to be ultra violent? Saving up their ultra violence for a later date?

Who ended up with Armenian property and land? I didn't mention money and power? I'm sure I did.

Playing tit for tat with religions is simply silly. Christian and Muslim leaders both used religion as an excuse for conquest and power. There were atrocities for 500 years by the christian church before Mohammad was born that continued right up through the 20th century.

Strategist says

Every few hours there is a major terrorist attack by the peaceful Muslims. And so many Islamic honor killings and human rights abuses

Every few hours? there is a major terrorist attack? Sure right.. Better hide under your bed now.

Strategist says

Hey, lets ask the Yazidi girls if Muslims are a source of ultra violence on a daily basis.

The Yazidi girls captured by the wahabbi sponsored sunni isis? Thanks for making my point.

PeopleUnited says

Religion is what people do for God.

That's a lie. Your god doesn't exist. So you can stop right there.

It's also hypocritical for you to assert the existence of your god while rejecting the literally thousands of other gods currently still worshiped around the world. Are you really going to give equal credence to this guy?

Seriously, unless you take elephant boy seriously, I don't have to take zombie Jesus seriously. Elephant boy is actually more plausible than your god.

P.S. I like the mouse. He's cute. He's holding a little cup.

bob2356 says

curious2 says

Any time you try to argue in defense of Islam, you are almost certain to lose. Most purported defenses are in fact hallucinations and wilful ignorance of history.

So the billion plus muslims living around the world outside of the middle east are what? Too ignorant of their own religion to be ultra violent? Saving up their ultra violence for a later date?

The Indian Muslims, in spite of their large numbers are not as violent as the Pakistanis and arabs. It's the Hindu and Buddhist influence that makes them less violent.

PeopleUnited says

You have faith in human reasoning

Reasoning has nothing to do with humans. Reasoning knows no species bounds or, for that matter, does it make any difference if it is done by machine or living creature.

Nor is faith involved. I do not have faith that the square root of two is an irrational number. I have knowledge. Knowledge is good. Faith is bad. The two are not the same thing.

Strategist says

PeopleUnited says

...Truth is truth. God is God. ...

Good thing you weren't raised a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. You could have easily become brainwashed to join ISIS.

Exactly. The mechanism of faith can be just as easily made to serve evil as to serve good. It is fundamentally flawed. However, if good actually works, and there is ample scientific evidence that it does, then reason favors good.

Dan8267 says

Strategist says

PeopleUnited says

...Truth is truth. God is God. ...

Good thing you weren't raised a Muslim in Saudi Arabia. You could have easily become brainwashed to join ISIS.

Exactly. The mechanism of faith can be just as easily made to serve evil as to serve good. It is fundamentally flawed. However, if good actually works, and there is ample scientific evidence that it does, then reason favors good.

Don't remember who said it:
"Men who believe absurdities, will commit atrocities"

Strategist says

Don't remember who said it:

"Men who believe absurdities, will commit atrocities"

Voltaire, and I believe the quote is "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.". It's a warning against listening to clerics.

You know it's a bad sign when Strategist and I agree on something.

Dan8267 says

You know it's a bad sign when Strategist and I agree on something.

Disgusting. Dangerous too.

bob2356 says

There are more muslims in india than the entire middle east. Where is the ultra violence? There is no oil to fight over in india. Coincidence? I think not.

It's because the Muslims are in the minority in India.

Britain literally had to carve out a separate country moving 10's of millions of human beings to separate the Muslims from the Hindus.

I blame Hillary!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PeopleUnited says

What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism? Discuss.

To start with, us dropping bombs on them would be a good start.

I am no fan of their dip-shit religion but, pick ANY region of the world and rain bombs down on them for the better part of a generation, and some percentage of the people that you don’t kill or cripple will become “terrorists” and try to get revenge.

In 2016 alone, 15 fucking years after a few buildings got knocked down in NY, the US dropped 26 THOUSAND bombs on Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

This started as some neocon psychopathy but now it is just who we are.
And so we reap the whirlwind.

Robert Sproul says

In 2016 alone, 15 fucking years after a few buildings got knocked down in NY, the US dropped 26 THOUSAND bombs on Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

The vast majority of Muslims in all those countries were killed by their fellow Muslims over ideological, tribal and sectarian differences.

Meanwhile, OPEC and Russia's oil cartels are nearly broken thanks to the US oil production ingenuity. And radical Islamists are too busy fighting each other and dodging US bombs as opposed to finding time to "knock down a few buildings" in NYC.

socal2 says

And radical Islamists are too busy fighting each other and dodging US bombs as opposed to finding time to "knock down a few buildings" in NYC

I am sure you are right.
Spreading chaos and misery and death through the region is genius diplomacy. Winning!
And of course, THEY killed many more than the few crummy hundreds of thousands (single digit millions at most) that WE killed.
(And the fuckers probably killed MOST of the 10,000 Americans that lost their lives.)
This shit couldn't have worked out better.

jazz music says

What is the cause of Irish Catholic terrorism? What should we do about Catholicism?

England enacted a policy to shoot them on sight.

With what guns? Catholic Church is decreasing in size anyway.

Why singling out Catholics? Are presbyterians simply victims?

socal2 says

It's because the Muslims are in the minority in India.

Exactly, at independence, Jinnah was "given" Pakistan, which eventually split into Pakistan and east Pakistan in 1971 (Bangladesh) over ethnic and linguistic differences (pakis speak Urdu and Bangladeshi speak Bengali)

They do not cause more damage in society because they are minorities.

Yes, they are incessant whiners and aid and abet terrorism when opportunities present themselves.

After all, they promote madrassa education instead of real education and just have to have 8 kids even though they cannot afford them. Birth control not part of vocabulary

When things don't go their way, in places like Hyderabad, they shut down whole city with threat of riots.

Those who are non-ghetto tend to be the moderates that bob speaks of...but certainly not remotely representative of the average Muslim in India.

PeopleUnited says

What are the root causes of Islamic terrorism? Discuss.

The msm said that they hate us for "OUR FREEDOMS".

Robert Sproul says

I am no fan of their dip-shit religion but, pick ANY region of the world and rain bombs down on them for the better part of a generation, and some percentage of the people that you don’t kill or cripple will become “terrorists” and try to get revenge.

Yeah well,but,umm,ehhh...they started it.

While we are on the topic of unnecessary death and destruction: What is the the root cause of American warmongering?

justme says

hile we are on the topic of unnecessary death and destruction: What is the the root cause of American warmongering?

What is the root cause of the most sustained peaceful and prosperous time in modern history since the US became a superpower?

Despite the violence in the Muslim World, the world is more peaceful now than it has been in decades.

Worldwide poverty is at an all time low too.

https://news.vice.com/article/the-world-has-gotten-safer-except-the-middle-east
http://www.npr.org/2016/07/16/486311030/despite-the-headlines-steven-pinker-says-the-world-is-becoming-less-violent

socal2 says

What is the root cause of the most sustained peaceful and prosperous time in modern history since the US became a superpower?

Despite the violence in the Muslim World, the world is more peaceful now than it has been in decades.

Worldwide poverty is at an all time low too.

Secularism - Democracy - Capitalism

socal2 says

bob2356 says

There are more muslims in india than the entire middle east. Where is the ultra violence? There is no oil to fight over in india. Coincidence? I think not.

It's because the Muslims are in the minority in India.

Britain literally had to carve out a separate country moving 10's of millions of human beings to separate the Muslims from the Hindus.

There are 175 million muslims in india. About the same as pakistan and more then the middle east. There are 200 million in Indonesia where they are very much the majority. Where is the ultra violence? Simple question.

bob2356 says

There are 175 million muslims in india. About the same as pakistan and more then the middle east. There are 200 million in Indonesia where they are very much the majority. Where is the ultra violence? Simple question.

The argument that the vast majority of a religion doesn't commit violent acts and therefore the religion is good only applies to Christianity. If you applied the same standards to both Christianity and Islam, you'd have to either accept or condemn both.

socal2 says

Despite the violence in the Muslim World, the world is more peaceful now than it has been in decades.

Yes, the US exports violence to the Middle East, where we side with any dictator that is anti-Russian (Saudi/Royals, Egypt miltary just for starters), and demonize and attack any government, dictatorial or democratic, that is pro-russian (Libya/Khadaffi, Syria/Assad, Iran) or not sufficiently pro-Israel (but only if they are not our "friends").

The world is "more peaceful" only to the extent the US has started somewhat less bloody wars than they did in Vietnam. Since 1975 we instead have specialized in terrorizing poor people in Latin America and the ME, and overthrowing democratically elected governments wherever we could,. We really should pat ourselves on the back for not killing quite as many people was we used to. We're the good guys!

justme says

What is the the root cause of American warmongering?

Big business.

bob2356 says

There are 175 million muslims in india. About the same as pakistan and more then the middle east. There are 200 million in Indonesia where they are very much the majority. Where is the ultra violence? Simple question.

I already pointed out to you that Muslims are a tiny minority in India. There are 1.2 BILLION Indians. The Muslim minority knows they would get wiped out if they get too uppity in India proper. Next door Pakistan is a shit hole where suicide and car bombs take out 100 at a clip.

Regarding Indonesia - nearly 90% of the population is Muslim and nearly all of them are Sunnis. Since they are largely an island nation and have no competing religions or borders, they manage to not bomb each other to smithereens like you see in other Muslim nations.

It seems pretty evident that Muslims have a hard time living peacefully AND EQUALLY side by side in a country that has a sizable or equal population of other religious ideologies, ethnicities or tribes.

justme says

Yes, the US exports violence to the Middle East, where we side with any dictator that is anti-Russian (Saudi/Royals, Egypt miltary just for starters), and demonize and attack any government, dictatorial or democratic, that is pro-russian (Syria/Assad, Iran) or not sufficiently pro-Israel (but only if they are not our "friends").

We've been pretty consistent since 9/11. No more siding with the central government "strongman" against the majority populations. .

- We support the majority Shia and Kurds against the minority Sunni Baathists in Iraq
- We support the majority Sunni population in Syria against the minority Shia and Allawite Baathists in Syria
- We support the majority moderate population in Afghanistan against the Taliban

Dan8267 says

Religion is what people do for God.

That's a lie. Your god doesn't exist. So you can stop right there.

It's also hypocritical for you to assert the existence of your god while rejecting the literally thousands of other gods currently still worshiped around the world. Are you really going to give equal credence to this guy?

Actually it would be better stated that religion is what people TRY to do for God.

As far as the one true God is concerned He has no need for me to assert his existence. He has done so himself. You mock and reject Him. Just as those who crucified him did, and just as a majority of people who ever lived have done. Many will find that after death it is too late to change their mind and accept the words of truth and the Spirit of God that is freely offered to everyone.

Dan8267 says

PeopleUnited says

You have faith in human reasoning

Reasoning has nothing to do with humans. Reasoning knows no species bounds or, for that matter, does it make any difference if it is done by machine or living creature.

Nor is faith involved. I do not have faith that the square root of two is an irrational number. I have knowledge. Knowledge is good. Faith is bad. The two are not the same thing.

Many of your arguments come down to semantics. We need not debate faith vs knowledge for that is another red herring and besides that it is not the issue you have with God. As for myself, I do not just have faith in God that he will do what He said He would do, I have knowledge that He has and will continue to do so because that is who He is. Just as the square root of two is an irrational number, God is who He said he is. If you had this knowledge we would not be having this debate. And as you are surely aware, the lack of knowledge is the most regrettable state of existence. However regrettable it may be, your lack of knowledge of God does not mean He doesn't exist.

Robert Sproul says

I am no fan of their dip-shit religion but, pick ANY region of the world and rain bombs down on them for the better part of a generation, and some percentage of the people that you don’t kill or cripple will become “terrorists” and try to get revenge.

In 2016 alone, 15 fucking years after a few buildings got knocked down in NY, the US dropped 26 THOUSAND bombs on Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, Somalia and Pakistan.

This started as some neocon psychopathy but now it is just who we are.

And so we reap the whirlwind.

It was a tactical error for the United States to become entangled in Middle East politics and policing, however it does not change the fact that Islam provides enough motivation for people to commit terrorist acts even without intentionally or accidentally provoking. Furthermore it is perhaps the most intolerant theology and its sharia law is just as bad if not worse than life under the supreme leader on North Korea.

PeopleUnited says

As far as the one true God is concerned He has no need for me to assert his existence. He has done so himself. You mock and reject Him. Just as those who crucified him did, and just as a majority of people who ever lived have done. Many will find that after death it is too late to change their mind and accept the words of truth and the Spirit of God that is freely offered to everyone.

The fact that you actually believe this ridiculous lie is reason enough that all religion should be banned. Anyone acting on such an irrational belief is delusional and cannot be making wise decisions, especially when it comes to politics. It would be impossible for someone with such a lack of grasp on reality to deal properly with the very real and important policy dilemma we face today regarding material things like climate change. Religion affects how people think and view the universe, and not in a good or wise way.

PeopleUnited says

However regrettable it may be, your lack of knowledge of God does not mean He doesn't exist.

No, I myself have no effect on whether or not your false god exist. Neither do you or your faith. Your god does not exist because
1. Omnipotence is a self-contradicting term.
2. Omnipotence and omniscience are contradictory.
3. The set of omnipotence, omniscience, and omnibenevolence is contradicted by the existence of evil and suffering.
4. Omniscience contradicts the laws of nature.
5. Supernatural entities cannot interact with any natural entity without violating the laws of nature, and such violations would be obvious.
6. Jesus Christ did not rise from the dead, walk on water, or turn water into win. Nor was he born of a virgin. That myth was plagiarized from many pagan myths.
7. The entire Bible was written by uncreative men with different contradicting and selfish political and social agendas. The character of god is full of character inconsistencies. Parts of the Bible directly contradict other parts over the simplest matters of fact.

The fact that you have been fooled your entire life by such an obvious scam demonstrates how dangerous the brainwashing of children by Christians truly is. And that alone makes Christianity evil.

Dan you had it right when you brought up knowledge. The only real difference between you and me is that I have knowledge of God and you have chosen to reject Him. He is long suffering and affords you time to change your mind and act on your knowledge of Himself.

1. An impotent man (figuratively) calling omnipotence a lie is laughable even as it is sad.
2. I personally don't see how an omnipotent being could be anything less than omniscient as well. If you created everything literally from nothing, you would probably know everything there is to know about it as well.
3. God does not claim to be omnibenevolent to my knowledge. Is that even a thing? He claims to be Holy.
4. Says the guy who was created by the I Am . This means you were created by the guy who wrote the laws of nature. Good luck arguing with Him.
5. See #4. But furthermore, how do you know that there are not aspects of "the natural world" ( which is just a God haters way of describing the universe God created) that exist without your knowledge? What if there is an angel watching over you right now and protecting you from the evil of this world just long enough for you to come to the knowledge of God?
6. See #4
7. The entire Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and is profitable for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness. That's why it is the most important book you can ever read.

jazz music says

MMR says

Why singling out Catholics?

Because I offered Ireland as the example

A very bad example, showing ignorance of the situation. The conflict in Ireland was not at all motivated by religion itself, but by discrimination against the native Irish population by the descendants of the colonizers. The different sects are just badges of identity used to sort out who is on which side.

No one is murdering for Jesus, or to imitate His actions. Both sides are nominally Christian.

This is extremely different from Islamic terrorism, which is motivated by Islam itself. The terrorists themselves scream about Islam at the top of their lungs while murdering random non-Muslims. Why do you ignore this fact?

So God is Swiss after all!

PeopleUnited says

. God does not claim to be omnibenevolent to my knowledge. Is that even a thing? He claims to be Holy.

PeopleUnited says

7. The entire Bible was inspired by the Holy Spirit and is profitable for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness. That's why it is the most important book you can ever read.

Don't you think your time is better spent trying to convert Muslims to Christianity, instead of these crazy Atheists like Dan?