patrick.net

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/13/us/politics/jeff-sessions-testimony.html
Rosenstein questioned directly on it, and says he will only fire Mueller if there is cause. Additionally states Mueller will have independence.

A smart decision by Trump, if he still wants to remain President, is to let that stand. Likely one of his last decisions as President would be to reach in and try and get Rosenstein to fire Mueller.

More "Trump's gonna be removed from office" speculation, eh?

Will be the dumbest thing the Oligarchs and the Deep State can do, very irresponsible. But the latter is very desperate, just like the outdated Legacy Media.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Will be the dumbest thing the Oligarchs and the Deep State can do, very irresponsible. But the latter is very desperate, just like the outdated Legacy Media.

That darn Legacy Media, with their facts, analysis, and investigative reporting.

Tim Aurora says

I think this is to just pressure Mueller. "Touch me and I will fire you and declare martial law"

Hahaha! I would love that. Trump would be out on his ass so fast it would make his hair flop over.

Trump faces swift backlash after allies push Mueller firing:
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/13/trump-robert-mueller-firing-backlash-239484

You know he is just itching to do something 'presidential' though. Come on tRump!

Now why are you shitbirds wishing Trump does something that you would be powerless to do anything about.
Say what you mean you idiots waste time in petty games. The voters fired Mueller the minute he was selected. 60% of us don't give a fuck about Chuck Schumer's feelings.

Rew says

That darn Legacy Media, with their facts, analysis, and investigative reporting.

Let me correct that for you: "That darn Legacy Media, with their rumors, anonymous sources, wild speculation presented as fact, and dirt digging in the same tiny mound.

Tenpoundbass says

Now why are you shitbirds wishing Trump does something that you would be powerless to do anything about.

The continued optics of firing investigators lined up against you is beyond damaging. Trump, by moving to fire Mueller, would put himself in very likely impeachable territory.

... regardless of ...

anonymous says

Here’s Why Trump Can Fire Robert Mueller: The Law That Would’ve Stopped Him Expired In 1999.

... the legality.

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/06/13/sarah-sanders-donald-trump-has-no-intention-of-firing-robert-mueller/

Damn! It's exhausting to be right so very often!

Quigley says

That said, the media has tried to wag the dog too many times to be believed about anything. This "story" is most likely a huge farce.

Appealing to a supposed motive for denying a supposed intention as a ruse to claim victory is about the saddest thing ever.
The fact remains that Trump is denying he ever had an intention of firing Mueller, and neither he nor his spokesperson has ever said differently. A blabbermouth CEO was the "news source" who somehow claimed to know Trump's intentions, and 12 hours later the news cycle has Trump impeached for misconduct and obstruction.

Meanwhile: fake news!

Rew says

That darn Legacy Media, with their facts, analysis, and investigative reporting.

With their Oligarch ownership and free trade/bomb 'em all ideology before America's interest.

Did they find any evidence of the #Russiahoax yet?

Rew says

There is massive evidence Russia tampered with our election. It's too bad, because it is politically advantageous, so many will chose to deny it. What happens when foreign support isn't given to the side you like? Regardless of how much we want to argue about how influential it was to have Russia pushing on the election, do you not agree that that alone is something to go find out the depths of, so we can prevent and safeguard against it?

Really? What is this vaunted clear and unambiguous evidence? Links and sources please.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Really? What is this vaunted clear and unambiguous evidence? Links and sources please.

Evidence is continued repetition that they have evidence, until the propaganda sinks into the collective mind and we all accept it as truth (without needing to ever see this evidence.)

Quigley says

Evidence is continued repetition that they have evidence ...

Russia has been engaging in propaganda wars and investing seed money in nationalist separatist groups throughout the West. Fact.
America has been a strong target of that especially during our election. Fact.

If people are too partisan to understand that now is NOT the time to willfully disbelieve something which is inconvenient to your world narrative, we will remain in peril. If short term partisan vindictiveness, and name calling, is what the driving force in the nation is, we are lost.

A deeply divided America steps back from the world.
We head toward another dark valley.

Just to be clear--what is the #Russiahoax? Russia was not involved?

Do you disagree with this bloomberg article?

https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2017-06-13/russian-breach-of-39-states-threatens-future-u-s-elections

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Mr. Boy Scout Comey just testified that not one vote was changed ...

He said he had no evidence that could show it. Do you understand the subtlety?

"Why did you buy that brand of cheese? Was it because of TV advertising?"
"Uhhh ... it just looked good. I don't know. Maybe it was the packaging?"

Do you understand how amazingly difficult it would be right now to prove how big a correlation and influence Russia had on human motivations to vote? Do you understand why it then might be so high of a national importance to go look to find out?

We aren't hunting witches. We are hunting Russians. If corrupt liars get caught in the mix ... not sorry!

joeyjojojunior says

Do you disagree with this bloomberg article?

Please define "Involved".

Now, Do you disagree with Obama?
Horses Mouth: "No person out there...who would suggest... you can even rig America's election"
www.youtube.com/embed/cruh2p_Wh_4

As your own Bloomberg article states, it's counties who upload into the state, IL does not send anything to the counties and localities that actually run the election.
Nor was any evidence provided that Russia was responsible. Just claims, from the same agencies that said "Yellowcake!" and "Regime Defectors!" "Prove" Saddam has WMDs.

Or James Comey?
From another horse's mouth

GRAHAM: Do you agree that they did not change the actual vote tally, but one day they might?

COMEY: I agree that -- I very much we found no indication of any change in vote tallies.

(Goes on to give backhanded praise to decentralized, "Hairball" election system that protects against vote rigging. Keep this in mind when there are calls for nationalized databases of medical records)

Rew says

Do you understand how amazingly difficult it would be right now to prove how big a correlation and influence Russia had on human motivations to vote? Do you understand why it then might be so high of a national importance to go look to find out?

Therefore, any talk of impeachment is totally unjustified and actually, irresponsible and harmful.

Since information is important, would you agree with me that if the FBI isn't interested in looking at the best piece of physical evidence we have, Congress should investigate the Server?

OK--I'll ask again. Do you believe that Russia mounted a cyber attack designed to influence the 2016 Presidential election?

joeyjojojunior says

OK--I'll ask again. Do you believe that Russia mounted a cyber attack designed to influence the 2016 Presidential election?

Define Influence.

"Involved" "Interfere" - some major broad ass terms.

Please answer why if we're investigating Russian interference/hacking/involvement/whatever, the DNC Server has been officially and physically inspected by multiple IC/LEO agencies.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Define Influence.

influence : as in to have an effect on, or try and cause something to occur.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

"No person out there...who would suggest... you can even rig America's election"

By voter fraud ... cannot be rigged.
By sustained counter intelligence over many years ... I'm not sure we know enough to say. We better look at that!

EDIT:
TwoScoopsMcGee says

GRAHAM: Do you agree that they did not change the actual vote tally, but one day they might?

COMEY: I agree that -- I very much we found no indication of any change in vote tallies.

They said : they didn't physically change votes, or log votes, they aren't talking about their ongoing campaign of political influence.

Rew says

influence : as in to have an effect on, or try and cause something to occur.

Sure. Just like Obama influenced Brexit, Merkel tried to influence the US Election, the US operates RFL/RFE, etc. etc.

No doubt Sputnik and RT tries to influence US opinion. They pushed Ron Paul before.

Why hasn't the DNC, the lead organization behind #Russiagate, turned over their Server - they should be demanding the IC look at it for clues.

People really don't want to answer this conundrum. The DNC should be pushing it on government agencies to inspect.

Maybe Congress should do it.

Which team are you playing for? America?

Edit: Unless you are welcoming Russian influence into our internal affairs? "We do it to" is not a defense. If anything, being pretty nationalistic myself and pro-American ideals, oh ... I very much like it when we score political wins in the international space. Remember that whole winning thing?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

So after months of multiple ICs investigating, there's no evidence. There's your sublety.

This will take YEARS! Watergate took how long? 2 hours to commit and, what, over 2 years to investigate?
Get comfy comrade.

"Sure. Just like Obama influenced Brexit, Merkel tried to influence the US Election, the US operates RFL/RFE, etc. etc"

Did Obama mount an illegal cyber attack?

Did Merkel hack in to the voting databases of 39 states?

And, fyi, the RNC was also hacked. Why aren't they giving the FBI their servers?

If people are too partisan

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What the heck do you mean "If"?

errc says

What the heck do you mean "If"?

So no hope then errc? Surrender now to the great divides that consume us?

F* it. Gonna go push a button to get me a diet coke. (One thing I have in common with Trump. SEEEEeee even I can do it! laugh.)

Rew says

Which team are you playing for? America?

Edit: Unless you are welcoming Russian influence into our internal affairs ? "We do it to" is not a defense. If anything, being pretty nationalistic myself and pro-American ideals, oh ... I very much like it when we score political wins in the international space. Remember that whole winning thing?

So, it's okay for the EU Kaiserine to influence our elections? How about UK Former Prime Ministers?

If you were nationalistic, you wouldn't have voted for the Status Quo candidate whose main purpose was to give away US Sovereignity to a coterie of Multinational Actors via TPP and other Treaties, where US localities could be sued for anything that might impede profits in an international court overseen by International Corporate Lawyers.

joeyjojojunior says

Did Obama mount an illegal cyber attack?

Yep, the CIA and NSA just have billions for no purpose. No US Agency has ever launched a Cyber Attack. And the US, never, ever interferes with elections, amirite?

Where does the billions we spend on for Cyberwarfare go? (Hint: Not on Defending against them)
joeyjojojunior says

And, fyi, the RNC was also hacked. Why aren't they giving the FBI their servers?

Whhy won't the DNC not only hand over the server, but Thrust it into the hands of a government agency again?

I missed your answer.

Rew says

This will take YEARS! Watergate took how long? 2 hours to commit and, what, over 2 years to investigate?

It only took months to arrest the perps. Where's the hacker under arrest?

"Yep"

OK great--please show me the evidence of US cyber attacks under Obama used to influence foreign elections.

"Whhy won't the DNC not only hand over the server, but Thrust it into the hands of a government agency again? I missed your answer."

Yes, you did. I answered it on a different thread awhile ago, but you, of course, conveniently ignored it. #1--there's no reason to hand it over. There is no mystery. #2--The DNC likely doesn't want its private information being viewed by others.

So, why didn't the RNC hand over their server?

Mueller! You're so fucking Fired. Pack your shit and go home and eat the lead of your service revolver you useless sack of shit.
Trump should sick Hillary on him.

Twoscoopsmcgee and Tenpundbass tilting strongly into the fringe conspiracy theorist camp. The cries of "Deep State" are coming next.

( When the majority of Americans are cheering for what you would call "The Deep State" is it time to re-evaluate your position? #GoGlobalists )

joeyjojojunior says

Yes, you did. I answered it on a different thread awhile ago, but you, of course, conveniently ignored it. #1--there's no reason to hand it over. There is no mystery. #2--The DNC likely doesn't want its private information being viewed by others.

There's every reason to hand it over, if you want to prove Russian Hacking. That's where evidence will be found, if there is any to be found.

But you're definitely correct on the 2nd point. Because they don't want anybody looking through the drawer were they have dirty laundry.

They've probably Schneier (24-pass?) Bleach Bitted the fuck out of it by now, if not physically destroyed it.

Prophetic.

Rew says

Prophetic.

Not Prophetic:

This pic definitely didn't age well. Everything is the reverse.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

This pic definitely didn't age well. Everything is the reverse.

The red hats will get their chance in 2020 ... or even rage in this go 'round when Trump is impeached.

Rew says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

This pic definitely didn't age well. Everything is the reverse.

The red hats will get their chance in 2020 ... or even rage in this go 'round when Trump is impeached.

The red hats have real jobs and are too busy working to go out at night and burn shit down or close a freeway or shoot at Congress.

That's a job for your people: the Leftists.

Quigley says

The red hats have real jobs and are too busy working to go out at night and burn shit down or close a freeway or shoot at Congress.

That's a job for your people: the Leftists.

Wait wait wait ... what about all the disgruntled coal miners and auto workers stoking the opioid epidemic? I thought these were your forgotten people?

Are you now saying you are the elite? That was fast. I guess once your chief figure head becomes establishment though ... you kinda gotta wade in.

Trump needs to clean house pronto. He needs to fire everyone that is obstructing Democracy he needs to have faith in his Supporters/Soldiers of the Republic.

Trump should start Tweeting what's in his Tax plan, Healthcare plan, he should go full blown Government healthcare for everybody.
With money he gets from shutting down every agency with mentally confused Manchild faggots with deep seated emotional issues.
They are sucking up money that could be used for great things. What are they doing with this opportunity but finding new ways to loathe the voters and cause problems for America.

Send everyone home in Washington that isn't an elected position and start fresh Mr. President. We got your back.