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Rew says

https://www.pscp.tv/FaithGoldy/1yNGamRYYAgGj?t=12

Very interesting to see non-commercial video of the actual event.

drBu says

If they would not have contemporary value, they would not elicit so much emotions. And US flag is a very dark element to Native Americans. Why is it treated differently from Confederate statues?

Emotion doesn't equate to value.
Native Americans are a country within a country and typically do not fly the stars and stripes on their reservations.

Rew says

Absolutely true. But in the contest of who was there for violence, I think you are going to find the White Supremacists were overwhelmingly those seeking conflict. It's what they were there for.

It was a college campus, so naturally they were going to be lots of kids there. However, there were plenty of armed Hard Lefties with their own shields and metal "flagpoles".

One has been arrested for assaulting a Hill reporter. Apparently she looked too "Whitebread" not to be a White Supremacist.

drBu says

When they start violence, they should be arrested, no matter what political ideas they have.

Absolutely in agreement here.

The right to protest is given up by using violence or even threats of violence, no matter what side.

drBu says

If they would not have contemporary value, they would not elicit so much emotions. And US flag is a very dark element to Native Americans. Why is it treated differently from Confederate statues?

The removal of statues, what ISIS does, is what started the whole thing.

http://baltimore.cbslocal.com/2017/08/14/charlottesville-baltimore-confederate-monuments/

Would be more productive to demand removal of street signs/statues commemorating Margret Sanger, who literally was a Eugenicist and said outrageous shit about Blacks.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

It was a college campus, so naturally they were going to be lots of kids there. However, there were plenty of armed Hard Lefties with their own shields and metal "flagpoles".

One has been arrested for assaulting a Hill reporter. Apparently she looked too "Whitebread" not to be a White Supremacist.

There were some. But the violence was brought to the community itself by the White Supremacists. They planned for it and encouraged all members to come with arms. They came in force and were backed by unidentified militia carrying assault rifles. After Heather Heyer was killed, by vehicular murder, they called her a fat slut on their website.

They can claim this group, or that, wasn't really behind the wheel ... but ...

http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/daily-stormer-godaddy-bans-charlotteville-victim-heather-heyer-victim-fat-slut-defame-uva-neo-nazi-a7891856.html

Are we going to bitch at GoDaddy for not protecting free speech? It has limits. Maybe if they added a picture of Pepe it would make it better?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

The removal of statues, what ISIS does

"removal" or "destruction"? Robert E Lee's statue being sold, by the town, to a buyer who would put it in a museum or someplace more relevant for today, isn't exactly what ISIS is doing. Is it?

YesYNot says

Not really. Most Southern soldiers were not generals and don't have statues. They are not being celebrated for their role in defending the right to have slaves

Dowling has a statue for him in Houston and memorial plaque in his native Ireland (Tuam) was commissioned in 1998. He was not a general, and as far as I can tell did not own slaves, and was protecting his adopted TX from Yankees. Should his memorials be "relocated"/destroyed?

Furthermore, all of this still begs question as to why Stars and Stripes are treated differently from Confederate monuments. Indians were driven off the land, cheated (as signing treaties with them and then breaking them), starved to death, killed in death marches under Stars and Stripes and somehow this is different from anything confederate. Cheating Indians out of their resources still goes on, just read up on "Navajo coal case" where tribe was screwed over by USGov as late as 2009. Slavery does not exist and we will now fight Confederacy statues, while cheating Indians still goes on under US flag. They are not as important as other minorities, I guess.

Is there a good video link of the "alt-right" protesters too?

We need more people walking around taking video so the public can get lots of unfiltered views and come to their own conclusions. The media is really terrible at being objective lately.

Rew says

"removal" or "destruction"? Robert E Lee's statue being sold, by the town, to a buyer who would put it in a museum or someplace more relevant for today, isn't exactly what ISIS is doing. Is it?

I said removal.

ISIS actually does sell shit they confiscate, source of their funding, just like the Sunni Militia members who switched their allegience did after March 2003.

Have you looked up the Vice Mayor Of Charlottesville, Wes Bellamy, yet?

Any city that elects such a vile, open racist has a racism problem.

Yet NPR invites him on and interviews him like a normal person, no mention of his racist tweetstorms going back years.

Rew says

Emotion doesn't equate to value.

Native Americans are a country within a country and typically do not fly the stars and stripes on their reservations.

"Value" in this case is difficult or impossible to define. Also, Indians have to deal with Bureau of Native Affairs that does fly the flag.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Any city that elects such a vile, open racist has a racism problem.

Yet NPR invites him on and interviews him like a normal person, no mention of his racist tweetstorms going back years.

As we all know, saying bad shit about white people is perfectly fine. Saying bad things about others - not so much.

drBu says

Dowling has a statue for him in Houston and memorial plaque in his native Ireland (Tuam) was commissioned in 1998.

Hey, that's Killelea turf! My male-line ancestors were from right near Tuam, even have some distant relatives in Tuam to this day.

Is his remarks about Women acceptable or not in an elected official? Keeping in mind the Trump tape, which was a private conversation and not made openly like this tweet.

drBu says

"Value" in this case is difficult or impossible to define. Also, Indians have to deal with Bureau of Native Affairs that does fly the flag.

The point is, the local community there has the absolute right to remove or do with the statue as they see fight, provided the statue isn't protected by greater federal oversight, or is done within the balance there.

Yes, we all have to deal with symbols we do not like. Doesn't mean we cannot choose to remove one that no longer speaks to the community we are in.

FortWayne says

Interesting how liberals blame the whole group here.

But when a muslim extremist goes on rampage... no group blame there.... yeah you guys have credibility... my ass.

True.

rando says

Is there a good video link of the "alt-right" protesters too?

We need more people walking around taking video so the public can get lots of unfiltered views and come to their own conclusions. The media is really terrible at being objective lately.

Most people have better things to do with their August weekends, like go to the beach and BBQ with their friends n family

Will Rew disavow the racist Vice Mayor of Charlottesville, and identify the population that voted him in has a problem with anti-white racism?

rando says

FortWayne says

Interesting how liberals blame the whole group here.


But when a muslim extremist goes on rampage... no group blame there.... yeah you guys have credibility... my ass.

True.

Not all Klan Members are like that. In fact, most Klan members never kill anybody. The Klan is an ideology of peace, this was just a misguided individual who didn't follow the true Klan Kode.

To think all Klan members are murderous is just plain ignorance. Get Educated!

TwoScoopsMcGee says

I want Rew to disavow the Vice Mayor of Charlottesville. Is he a racist?

Also, is his remarks about Women acceptable or not in an elected official? Keeping in mind the Trump tape, which was a private conversation and not made openly like this tweet.

I'm not sure if he is "racist" but he sure uses some piss poor language and judgment. Lots of that I find disgusting, yes. Not someone I would want as a mayor. He should go. No votes from me. Surprising he is there ... but then again ... Trump ...

The Trump tape being private doesn't absolve it, but I think it is telling you think that it somehow lightens what was said.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Will Rew disavow the racist Vice Mayor of Charlottesville

Already done. Gotta give a brotha time to type.

Rew says

The point is, the local community there has the absolute right to remove or do with the statue as they see fight, provided the statue isn't protected by greater federal oversight, or is done within the balance there.

Yes, we all have to deal with symbols we do not like. Doesn't mean we cannot choose to remove one that no longer speaks to the community we are in.

If the community is strongly against a monument, it would be OK to remove it to some other place. But as it is done now, it is virtue-signaling idiotic politicians who decide. If it would be done by a popular vote, then perhaps I could justify the removal. Dallas or Houston or whatever should vote if they should keep or remove the statue/rename the street etc.

Rew says

I'm not sure if he is "racist" but he sure uses some piss poor language and judgment. Lots of that I find disgusting, yes. Not someone I would want as a mayor. He should go. No votes from me. Surprising he is there ... but then again ... Trump ...

This is just a sampling. He bragged about little White men having to look up to him, I can't get it to post.

Do you think a population that votes for such a man has a problem with Racism?

Also, how did this population vote for him, but likely against Trump, many on ground of his "anti-woman" remarks?

Rew says

The Trump tape being private doesn't absolve it, but I think it is telling you think that it somehow lightens what was said.

One man is boldly pronouncing white women devils and discussing that eating the pussy of a sleeping girl isn't rape, openly on twitter.

The other is trying to bond with a young kid (in this case, snotty snotrag tryhard Bush) in a private conversation on a bus.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Do you think a population that votes for such a man has a problem with Racism?

If it was known, a cornerstone of the campaign, or part of the motivations of the votes, yes.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

The other is trying to bond with a young kid (in this case, snotty snotrag tryhard Bush)

Can you wash Trump's other hateful rhetoric against women so easily too?

By the way, I just found out this Racist Radical Pig was on the VA Board of Ed as well as Vice Mayor

TwoScoopsMcGee says

By the way, I just found out this Racist Radical Pig was on the VA Board of Ed as well as Vice Mayor

This starts to look a little bit like a deflection. I can happily rip into the vice mayor too ... but ... can the same be said for you and Trump. ;)

Rew says

This starts to look a little bit like a deflection. I can happily rip into the vice mayor too ... but ... can the same be said for you and Trump. ;)

No Deflection; pointing out double standards. NPR had him on and didn't ask him one question about his racist tweets.

If you don't look for something, you don't find it. But you do find the things you're looking for. That's a big part of bias, yes?

To it's credit, CNN is the only television news that covered the Racist Pig Vice Mayor and his racist Electorate's viewpoints.

errc says

Most people have better things to do with their August weekends, like go to the beach and BBQ with their friends n family

True. I wonder if there is a specific psychopathology which causes desire to attend protests.

Maybe it gives them a sense of community which they are otherwise painfully lacking.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

To it's credit, CNN is the only television news that covered the Racist Pig Vice Mayor and his racist Electorate's viewpoints.

The local news pretty well destroyed him as well.

rando says

Maybe it gives them a sense of community which they are otherwise painfully lacking.

Absolutely. You can see all sorts of similarities in the radicalized right and ISIS: community and belonging being a massive one.

The counter protest was predominantly a desire to react by the community though. They felt threatened, and students are very happy to stand up to hate and anti-diversity movements these days.

Remember, one of the defining things in the Trump vote was a college degree or not.

Rew says

students are very happy to stand up to hate and anti-diversity movements these days

They are very selective as they will not stand up to Islamic hate (of gays, for example) or BLM hate etc.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Rew says

This starts to look a little bit like a deflection. I can happily rip into the vice mayor too ... but ... can the same be said for you and Trump. ;)

No Deflection; pointing out double standards. NPR had him on and didn't ask him one question about his racist tweets.

If you don't look for something, you don't find it. But you do find the things you're looking for. That's a big part of bias, yes?

To it's credit, CNN is the only television news that covered the Racist Pig Vice Mayor and his racist Electorate's viewpoints.

I'm not seeing the part where you agree to happily rip into trump.

drBu says

They are very selective as they will not stand up to Islamic hate (of gays, for example) or BLM hate etc.

They actually will, and do. The problem is, because of the lopsided treatment from our greater administration, they feel they must act as a counter.

bob2356 says

I'm not seeing the part where you agree to happily rip into trump.

He is disgusting, sucks, and I'd vote him out in a heartbeat. Happy? (Read up)

Rew says

They actually will, and do. The problem is, because of the lopsided treatment from our greater administration, they feel they must act as a counter.

At one school a student said on her personal twitter "It is not BLM, it is All Lives Matter". She is Asian American, and was crucified by protesting students followed by her removal from student government.

I respectfully disagree - student protests are extremely one-sided. Trump is bad but Islamic treatment of women/gays is Lone Wolves, and somehow lives of some races matter more than those of other races.

Rew says

Remember, one of the defining things in the Trump vote was a college degree or not.

With the amount of BS degrees being handed out nowadays it doesn't really mean anything anymore.

Very eye opening compared to one sided media reporting.

rando says

Rew says

https://www.pscp.tv/FaithGoldy/1yNGamRYYAgGj?t=12

Very interesting to see non-commercial video of the actual event.

Rew says

drBu says

They are very selective as they will not stand up to Islamic hate (of gays, for example) or BLM hate etc.

They actually will, and do.

Nope, not seeing that. Islam is pretty much never criticized by the left. Islamic violence and intolerance is somehow a blind spot.

Like drBu says, very selective.

bob2356 says

I'm not seeing the part where you agree to happily rip into trump.

Why would I rip into Trump? There is literally nothing in his past that suggests he's a White Supremacist. The exact opposite, actually.

There is far more reason to say Bill and Hillary Clinton are racist, with Bill flying back to Arkansas to execute a retarded black man, the massive money taken by both from the Private Prison industry which greatly expanded under Bill, and of course the focus on Superpredators. Not to mention the Hillary Camp making repeated statements about how much they liked the picture of Obama dressed up in Middle Eastern Clothing in 2008, or constantly referring to him as Barrak HUSSEIN! Obama--- than Trump.

The Clintons are some of the greatest Dogwhistler Politicians in the present age.

rando says

Islamic violence and intolerance is somehow a blind spot.

I don't think it is a blind spot, I think it is proportionally more in line with the actual threat. The issue is the national populism spreading a good amount of irrational hate throughout the country. There needs to be a counter voice, not to hide ills of radical Islam, but to prevent the majority from being cast as a fringe minority. I'm sure that would sound familiar to the "good Nazis" at the march, right? It definitely sounds familiar to any persecuted minority in the world.

It will be very easy to look back at this time period, 10-20 years out, and watch the growth of hate groups and repercussions of them, both in the US and Europe. Fascism is pretty awful. This is going to be years to unwind from.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Why would I rip into Trump?

If you cannot find fault with Trump, none whatsoever, I would say you are so partisan as to be not rational in thought at all.

Trump just now ...

... as he has much more grievance and disdain for the media, than he will ever show for white supremacists.

Of course no one believes you when you read from a teleprompter 2 and half days later. The white supremacists themselves don't believe you. Why should anyone else?