patrick.net

The Cops were waiting on orders from McAuliffe, who didn't want the cops separating the sides too much.

This is like Kiev 2014. Chaos and Violence benefits those out of power.

Also, how come the Media that is so quick to see obvious Nazis and identify even the most obscure Nazi Symbols in Virginia, can't see Death's Heads and Black Suns and White Power Crosses near the Dneiper River?

rando says

errc says

Be honest, Trumpcucks. You're praying to God that a Muslin carries out something worse on American soil, so you can score some points

Muslims have already done much, much worse on American soil with much less press coverage.

Another Muslim attack would be treated the same way, with zero discussion of Islam as the motive, and far less coverage overall than something done by a white male.

The press bias is ridiculous.

errc is beyond help.

WorkInProgress says

errc is beyond help.

Most people are beyond your help. One has to understand more than others to help them.

Also, errc has been doing a splendid job pointing out the contradictions of the Trump supporters around here.

YesYNot says

Most people are beyond your help.

I should add YesYNot to the list of those who are beyond my help. Think about what you just said..."Most people are beyond your help".

Patrick says

Not that this excuses driving into a crowd.

What's his other option? Let them vandalize his car, and possibly beat him as well?

Now if he had a gun, this all could have been prevented...

NuttBoxer says

Patrick says

Not that this excuses driving into a crowd.

What's his other option? Let me vandalize his car, and possibly beat him as well?

This would be a valid argument if he was simply caught up in the blockade. After all, Antifa has frequently assaulted drivers and their cars during such blockades.

However, the driver was far away from the protesters when he gunned the car traveling at very high speeds and aiming for the crowd. It was clearly not self defense.

Yes, the Antifa assholes immediately started to assault the car before they realized they were being attacked. The losers thought it was another driver trying to get past protestors, and had no idea that it was an attack until he backed up on them at a high speed. Then the cowards fled like cockroaches.

However, none of these excuses the deliberate attempt to kill people who were not in any way attacking on endangering the driver. Furthermore, the one person he did kill was not any of the persons who were battering his car.

rando says

errc says

Be honest, Trumpcucks. You're praying to God that a Muslin carries out something worse on American soil, so you can score some points

Muslims have already done much, much worse on American soil with much less press coverage.

Another Muslim attack would be treated the same way, with zero discussion of Islam as the motive, and far less coverage overall than something done by a white male.

The press bias is ridiculous.

Everything is relative. What about your personal bias?

Reading some of the stuff you guys post, everything feels like 1998. When I was 17 and I realized that the "entertainment 'news '" was crap. Very biased. The police were jumpy, militant, and quick to "defend" themselves. Like when a couple of them ripped a neighbor kid out of his car and beat him to death for literally no reason. They didn't beat him to death on the spot, rather they beat him into a coma, and the bag of cocaine he swallowed opened in his stomach, and killed him. I knew that the democrats were definitely not the party to save us. They were all the lawyers whose business was to profit from bad, complex laws that harmed people. My high school was ~10% white, so I knew race relations were generally tense. Even though I was born to be a big time Conservative, I could already tell that the Republicans were an even worse alternative.

What were yous doing the past twenty years, to just now realize that the Media is biased?

What and when do you think changed? Or are you just that slow to woke?

I hadn't even graduated HS, but since I was in all accelerated classes, most of my friends were 3 years older. Their older siblings were already coming home from university, saddled with debt, unable to find a job to match their stupid degree.

None of this seems new to me, rather what continues to surprise me is that smart folk like yourselves are just now coming to these realizations.

errc says

What were yous doing the past twenty years, to just now realize that the Media is biased?

Why has the "Resistance" forgotten that there is Fake News, and that Mainstream Media is controlled by a handful of Oligarchs? And that the Intel Agencies leak, distort, and tell half-truths to get preferred policies imposed or continued? Starting in 2009 when Obama took office?

Real Leftist would have ripped the driver out of the car & performed an autopsy in the street.
This group was just a bunch of bleeding heart liberals.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

errc says

What were yous doing the past twenty years, to just now realize that the Media is biased?

Why has the "Resistance" forgotten that there is Fake News, and that Mainstream Media is controlled by a handful of Oligarchs? And that the Intel Agencies leak, distort, and tell half-truths to get preferred policies imposed or continued? Starting in 2009 when Obama took office?

Why are you so disillusioned to think that giving absolute power to Republicans will yield something better?

I won't argue that democrats are horrible and I'll never deny reality.

However, the people that go on and on and on about how bad the left is, seem to never have even considered that the Republicans may actually not be a perfect solution. We've tried Republicans ideas and solutions consistently my entire life, I feel it's safe to say that they have given us what we have now: the bad (and the good, if there is any. Yous guys will never, ever address this point) How are the Republicans a solution to the democrats?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

errc says

What were yous doing the past twenty years, to just now realize that the Media is biased?

Why has the "Resistance" forgotten that there is Fake News, and that Mainstream Media is controlled by a handful of Oligarchs? And that the Intel Agencies leak, distort, and tell half-truths to get preferred policies imposed or continued? Starting in 2009 when Obama took office?

Honestly I can't really answer this, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Care to elaborate? Unlike some people, I'll answer any question you want to ask of me, and I'm sure that the answer might be that I don't know. I'm not afraid of that, on the contrary, I'm open to learning something.

Love for one of you Trumpkins to explain the plan to fix any of these issues. Remember, it's a Republican world, and with a Republican House and Senate, nothing changes. At least with Bernie, he was working towards something, trying to get his people into legislature. Did Trump even give that a thought? Does he even know that's how our government works?

errc says

Honestly I can't really answer this, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Care to elaborate? Unlike some people, I'll answer any question you want to ask of me, and I'm sure that the answer might be that I don't know. I'm not afraid of that, on the contrary, I'm open to learning something.

errc says

Love for one of you Trumpkins to explain the plan to fix any of these issues

Calling out Corporate Oligarch media on it's fake news. This isn't the media, but it's owned by the guy who owns the Washington Post.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/single-donald-trump-tweet-just-151644942.html

TwoScoopsMcGee says

This is a failure of capitalism and Reagonomics. Both encourage all control to be centralized into the hands of a few owners. This is the entire purpose of both capitalism and Reagonomics. It's not an unintended consequence. It is the sole intention.

This is also what Republicans mean every time they say "deregulate". Deregulate means consolidate.

So I was correct. Anyone paying attention should have recognized this twenty years ago

Love for one of you Trumpkins to explain the plan to fix any of these issues. Remember, it's a Republican world, and with a Republican House and Senate, nothing changes. At least with Bernie, he was working towards something, trying to get his people into legislature. Did Trump even give that a thought? Does he even know that's how our government works?

--/---------

So how exactly is continuing to vote in all Republicans a solution to these (Republican) created problems?

One good thing came of all this. Donald Trump, with his usual marketing genius, put the term "alt-left" into play. Names have power. Just look at what the Leftist media did with the term "alt-right" to apply it to anyone who may like or agree with the President and then call them all white supremacists. Now we got "alt-left" to seriously abuse until its ingrained into the public consciousness. Pretty soon everyone will know and agree that Antifa and BLM are alt-left and thus violent anarchists. And SJWs will get lumped in because they deserve it and people hate them. And finally the media itself will be labeled alt-left and have no real way of combating that label since it's clearly true.
Then something will happen. Idk what!

Quigley says

One good thing came of all this. Donald Trump, with his usual marketing genius, put the term "alt-left" into play. Names have power. Just look at what the Leftist media did with the term "alt-right" to apply it to anyone who may like or agree with the President and then call them all white supremacists. Now we got "alt-left" to seriously abuse until its ingrained into the public consciousness. Pretty soon everyone will know and agree that Antifa and BLM are alt-left and thus violent anarchists. And SJWs will get lumped in because they deserve it and people hate them. And finally the media itself will be labeled alt-left and have no real way of combating that label since it's clearly true.

Then something will happen. Idk what!

What does AltLeft mean? BLM and Antifa? I'm tipping at least 90% of people have no clue who they are.

Dan8267 says

This is also what Republicans mean every time they say "deregulate". Deregulate means consolidate.

Sometimes. Sometimes deregulate means open an industry to new players. A great example of regulation keeping out competition is Florists and Funeral Homes. The latter is locked up by Service Corp of America, and in many states it's illegal to build and sell coffins unless you are a licensed Funeral Home Operator.

To be a florist in many states you have to pass a board composed of current florists, who judge your arrangements. What justification there is for this I have no idea, nobody died from an ugly flower arrangement.

In fact the propaganda and manipulation of the Funeral Industry is so good, they're the reason we call our Parlors "Living Rooms". We need to take the dead to a special "Funeral Parlor" just for them - and pay money.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Sometimes. Sometimes deregulate means open an industry to new players.

I think your example is the extremely rare exception that proves the rule.

Republicans never do anything out of principle or kindness. Their motivations are always selfish self-interests.

Indiana Jones says

You know, this is a super-interesting picture for a lot of reasons.

First of all, it was a black Somali Muslim who shot a white woman, and yet the implication, given the recent protests against cops by blacks, is that all cops are racist against blacks!

Second, the top of the image says TURN RIGHT. Lololol, as they say.

Dan8267 says

Republicans never do anything out of principle or kindness. Their motivations are always selfish self-interests.

Oh come on. As if Democrats have some monopoly on virtue?

There are definitely lots of people on both sides who do things out of principle or kindness.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

https://www.yahoo.com/news/single-donald-trump-tweet-just-151644942.html

A single Donald Trump tweet just lost Amazon $6 billion in value

Donald Trump knocked $6 billion off of Amazon before most of the country was awake.

In a tweet sent at 6:12 a.m. EST, Trump claimed Amazon was "doing great damage to tax paying retailers," resulting in the loss of jobs.

Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Amazon is doing great damage to tax paying retailers. Towns, cities and states throughout the U.S. are being hurt - many jobs being lost!
3:12 AM - Aug 16, 2017
25,272 25,272 Replies 14,480 14,480 Retweets 52,804 52,804 likes

That immediately sent Amazon shares down sharply, resulting in a decline of around $6 billion of the company's market capitalization in a matter of minutes.

Sometimes I think Trump is an idiot, but then more often I think he's actually a genius. He's absolutely right about Amazon killing retail across the US, and for double points with one Tweet, he gets to cost Jeff Bezos a few billion, the guy who constantly disparages Trump via his Washington Post.

This was a moment of sheer genius.

I don't really know what should be done about retail, but I do think Amazon has become too monopolistic and should be broken up.

rando says

Dan8267 says

Republicans never do anything out of principle or kindness. Their motivations are always selfish self-interests.

Oh come on. As if Democrats have some monopoly on virtue?

There are definitely lots of people on both sides who do things out of principle or kindness.

You mean like host a free forum supporting the principle of free speech where even ASSHOLES can vent their spleen with every stupid vicious thought that comes to their tiny brains?

Quigley says

rando says

Dan8267 says

Republicans never do anything out of principle or kindness. Their motivations are always selfish self-interests.

Oh come on. As if Democrats have some monopoly on virtue?

There are definitely lots of people on both sides who do things out of principle or kindness.

You mean like host a free forum supporting the principle of free speech where even ASSHOLES can vent their spleen with every stupid vicious thought that comes to their tiny brains?

Is Patrick a Republican now?

I swear I remember him defending Obama for years. Think he said he voted for him too

It's probably a smarter approach; just support your president, either way. Rather than expend so much energy ragging on about how much the other party's president is destroying everything. You can't do much about it anyway. Try and remain optimistic

rando says

First of all, it was a black Somali Muslim who shot a white woman, and yet the implication, given the recent protests against cops by blacks, is that all cops are racist against blacks!

This has more to do with power vs. weakness/disenfranchisement and not so much a racial issue. In comparison with each other, cops are more powerful than poor people. Cops are more powerful than women. Cops are more powerful than ethnic minorities. Cops have backing them up powerful laws, powerful people and powerful weapons. Your ordinary citizen does not. Making this a racial issue is a distraction imho.

Many police departments in America seem to have lost their way. In the past we were told police were there to protect the citizenry, which they did. But now it is shoot to kill with military weapons. Is this what Lucas is suggesting in Star Wars with the 66 Clone Protocol when the storm troopers first fight on the side of the rebels, and all of a sudden they switch sides to fight for the Empire?

www.youtube.com/embed/09n0qd_n4c0

rando says

There are definitely lots of people on both sides who do things out of principle or kindness.

Keep those assholes off Patnet!

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Horrible. He should give a knee-jerk Politically Correct Opinion that satisfies the virtue signalers and pundits immediately. Bad President.

He has never needed facts or caution before, and no American needed anything substantially greater than the clear reporting on Saturday, as to what the response from the President should have been. The majority of the sane public leaders weighed in by Sunday with a firm denouncement of Nazi assholes.

This is not a wedge issue for America. The country is overwhelmingly untied on this, as is evident by the past two days and what is occurring for Mr. Trump.

Who will remain with Trump in the end? Only the loyal butt hurt anti-American 25% hardliners. I think we may look back and see August 15th as the day the shift finally happened.

errc says

Be honest, Trumpcucks. You're praying to God that a Muslin carries out something worse on American soil, so you can score some points

Only thing that could potentially avert Trump's fall at this point. I know Bannon is praying for it.

Indiana Jones says

This has more to do with power vs. weakness/disenfranchisement and not so much a racial issue.

Humanity rose because of natural selection. The practice of deliberately favoring the weak will the our downfall.

Rew says

He has never needed facts or caution before, and no American needed anything substantially greater than the clear reporting on Saturday, as to what the response from the President should have been. The majority of the sane public leaders weighed in by Sunday with a firm denouncement of Nazi assholes.

This is not a wedge issue for America. The country is overwhelmingly untied on this, as is evident by the past two days and what is occurring for Mr. Trump.

Who will remain with Trump in the end? Only the loyal butt hurt anti-American 25% hardliners. I think we may look back and see August 15th as the day the shift finally happened.

Nope.

People saw the Fake News media try to make it all about Nazis, and Trump as the Only Adult In The Room.

They still remember the assassination of Congressmen, the rioting and the inauguration ridiculousness, the smashing of windows, cars, beaten Trump Supporters over the past year. One psychotic nazi kid isn't going to help normalize AltLeft radicals.

I think the media is only making fools of themselves, thinking that everybody forgot all the looting, rioting, burning, and beatings of the past year that were decidedly by the AltLeft.

errc says

a solution to the democrats?

Any one of these would probably be just as good if not better.

American Freedom Party 2010 American Third Position Party
American Solidarity Party 2011 Christian Democratic Party USA
America's Party 2008 America's Independent Party
Black Riders Liberation Party 1996
Christian Liberty Party* 1996 American Heritage Party
Citizens Party of the United States 2004 New American Independent Party
Communist Party USA 1919 Workers Party of America
Workers (Communist) Party of America International Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties
Constitution Party 1992 U.S. Taxpayers' Party
Freedom Socialist Party 1966 Committee for Revolutionary International Regroupment
Green Party of the United States 2001 Association of State Green Parties Global Greens
Humane Party 2009
Independent American Party 1998
Justice Party 2011
Legal Marijuana Now Party 1998
Libertarian Party 1971 International Alliance of Libertarian Parties
Interlibertarians[3]
Modern Whig Party 2007
National Socialist Movement 1974 National Socialist American Workers Freedom Movement World Union of National Socialists
New Black Panther Party 1989
Objectivist Party 2008
Party for Socialism and Liberation 2004
Peace and Freedom Party 1967
Prohibition Party 1869
Reform Party of the United States of America 1995 United We Stand America
Socialist Action 1983 Fourth International
Socialist Alternative 1986 Labor Militant Committee for a Workers' International
Socialist Equality Party 1966 Workers League International Committee of the Fourth International
Socialist Party USA 1973 Debs Caucus
Union for Democratic Socialism
Socialist Labor Party of America 1876 Workingmen's Party (1876–1877)
Socialistic Labor Party (1877–1880s)
Socialist Workers Party 1938 Pathfinder tendency (unofficial)
Traditionalist Workers Party 2015
United States Marijuana Party 2002
United States Pacifist Party 1983
United States Pirate Party 2006 Pirate Parties International (observer)
Unity Party of America 2004
Veterans Party of America 2013
Workers World Party

TwoScoopsMcGee says

People saw the Fake News media try to make it all about Nazis, and Trump as the Only Adult In The Room.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

I think the media is only making fools of themselves, thinking that everybody forgot all the looting, rioting, burning, and beatings of the past year that were decidedly by the AltLeft.

You are in the far minority TwoScoops if you think A) Trump is the adult when he is in a room with anyone over the age of 21 and B) that there is such a thing as an AltLeft that is more violent than the radical hate groups bolstering support for Trump himself.

errc says

TwoScoopsMcGee says

errc says

What were yous doing the past twenty years, to just now realize that the Media is biased?

Why has the "Resistance" forgotten that there is Fake News, and that Mainstream Media is controlled by a handful of Oligarchs? And that the Intel Agencies leak, distort, and tell half-truths to get preferred policies imposed or continued? Starting in 2009 when Obama took office?

Honestly I can't really answer this, I'm not sure what you're talking about. Care to elaborate? Unlike some people, I'll answer any question you want to ask of me, and I'm sure that the answer might be that I don't know. I'm not afraid of that, on the contrary, I'm open to learning something.

Love for one of you Trumpkins to explain the plan to fix any of these issues. Remember, it's a...

Talking about "what if Bernie was president" is a lot like talking about "what if Jeb was president"

Neither party was smart enough to nominate someone who was qualified to be president. So we got stuck with the lesser of two evils.

On another note CNN has always been a left wing propaganda organization posing as news. But this week they abandoned any semblance of impartiality and turned full Goebbels in the anti-Trump propos. Just because he spoke the truth, there was violence on both sides. You can hate racists all you want, but they have a right to their point of view too. Hate for racists is still hate. Someone needs to say it.

Some hate blacks, some hate whites, some hate Christians, some hate Moslems, some hate those who hate. They are all haters.

Don't be a hater. At least Trump said it right: "We have to respect each other," he said. "Ideally we have to love each other."

A good president doesn't bullshit around. And what he said above is no bullshit.

Quigley says

You mean like host a free forum supporting the principle of free speech where even ASSHOLES can vent their spleen with every stupid vicious thought that comes to their tiny brains?

Well, I'm hoping the "uncivil" link will help discourage the stupid vicious thoughts and encourage smarter kinder thoughts. Any other ways I might do that?

errc says

Is Patrick a Republican now?

I swear I remember him defending Obama for years. Think he said he voted for him too

It's probably a smarter approach; just support your president, either way. Rather than expend so much energy ragging on about how much the other party's president is destroying everything. You can't do much about it anyway. Try and remain optimistic

I would not call myself a Republican or a Democrat. I hope to be able to think for myself and choose candidates based on what they are actually proposing.

I did defend Obama from a lot of outright racist slurs, and I did vote for him twice. I was greatly disappointed though. I thought he would be different, but he was not any different, aside from being black. The real low point was when Obama signed the NDAA, allowing indefinite detention of Americans without trial. At that point, I was completely done with Obama. Fucker betrayed the Constitution with that one and we still have that law on the books.

I never supported Bush II because he deliberately started a war for no valid reason, resulting in a bazillion deaths of random Iraqis, and tens of thousands of US soldiers killed. I just saw some memorials to local dead soldiers in Napa, where I am at the moment, and cursed Bush again for that.

I actually do like Trump because he was absolutely not wanted by the globalist corporations or the press. They did everything they could to prevent his election, and failed! That is very exciting. The idea that the people might still be in charge, and not the globalists or the press.

Indiana Jones says

Cops have backing them up powerful laws, powerful people and powerful weapons. Your ordinary citizen does not. Making this a racial issue is a distraction imho.

I agree with you.

And yet BLM has made this 100% a racial issue, and that alone.

rando says

Quigley says

You mean like host a free forum supporting the principle of free speech where even ASSHOLES can vent their spleen with every stupid vicious thought that comes to their tiny brains?

Well, I'm hoping the "uncivil" link will help discourage the stupid vicious thoughts and encourage smarter kinder thoughts. Any other ways I might do that?

Patrick - there aren't a whole lot of forums on the net that let, and encourage, both sides of every issue to vent. I don't see a whole lot of outright hate on here. I do see bias. Oh boy do I see bias.

I thank you Sir, for hosting such a fine site.

rando says

Quigley says

You mean like host a free forum supporting the principle of free speech where even ASSHOLES can vent their spleen with every stupid vicious thought that comes to their tiny brains?

Well, I'm hoping the "uncivil" link will help discourage the stupid vicious thoughts and encourage smarter kinder thoughts. Any other ways I might do that?

Patrick, can you please either A) bring back the ignore function or B) remove all threads from the screen of a user who is not allowed the right to post on that thread.

Uncivil should be used more not less. It is possible to disagree without being uncivil. Most here don't know how to do that. I tried, but kept getting treated like shit so I responded in kind. Some even think it is good entertainment to ad hom attack and uncivil postings are more common from two of the biggest posters on this site. Bias allows them to get away with it. But it is still uncivil no matter how much research you put into your position if you call the opposition names, practice guilt by association or mischaracterize their positions.

Instagram is now taking measures to prevent slurs and other hate type speech. Not saying I agree with it, but recognizing that the discourse in this country and on this site is toxic (at times).

WorkInProgress says

Patrick - there aren't a whole lot of forums on the net that let, and encourage, both sides of every issue to vent. I don't see a whole lot of outright hate on here. I do see bias. Oh boy do I see bias.

I thank you Sir, for hosting such a fine site.

I'm glad you like it! I wish I knew how to get more people to use it. Enforcement of some minimum level of civility does seem to be important for that.