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TwoScoopsMcGee says

BOOM

Very nice job with those charts and data. Sadly bobby still won't understand.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

How's that Homicide Rate doin' in comparison? In must be exploding with all these arms sales.

You are correct. Homicide rate exploded with all the arms sales 1970 to 1993. Gun sales go up, murders go up. Then gun sales go up, murders go down. Thunderlips says this is correlation. gallup poll more accurate? (the same gallup poll you called fake news so often, that gallup poll? but wait CIC says people lie to gallup. you guys really need to get the same page). Weasel much? What happened to you calling a 5% drop in murder rate a collapse? Crickets chirping on that one. Yearly growth? The yearly growth didn't pick up until 2010 which is 10 years after the murder rate dropped. Estimated by NCIS checks? Doesn't go up until 2008, 8 years after the murder rate drops. This is correlation somehow? You guys really are a joke

me123 says

please post the chart that shows how many legal gun owners are selling their guns to criminals.

Been posted time and time again. Been proven time and time again. You have forgotten time and time again. You will certainly be waiting a very long time if you can't remember anything. Sorry but there is nothing I can do about your Alzheimers getting worse and worse. The phrase you really need to know at this point is geriatric specialist.

me123 says

bob2356 says

You are correct. Homicide rate exploded with all the arms sales 1970 to 1993. Gun sales go up, murders go up. Then gun sales go up, murders go down.

Oh bobby, so sad. Here's a hint, gun sales go up EVERY year and that adds to the cumulative total owned, which means more total available, and many of the past years have seen record additional sales annually. THE number of actual people killed annually has gone DOWN. What don't you understand about that data?

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So sad. The number of actual people killed annually actually went UP for 25 years while gun sales went up EVERY year before the number of people killed annually started going down. What don't you understand about that data? Are the gun/god nuts now claiming the guns and gun murders didn't exist before 1993?

me123 says

but prove me wrong by reposting it.

Why bother you won't remember it tomorrow or even a couple hours from now.

murder is illegal
mass shootings are illegal
machine guns are illegal

What else should we make illegal that will cause criminals to suddenly care about laws? That's a thing about the left, they mastered the skill of ignoring reality long ago. Only know how to pound their chests and make demands, but can never get anything figured out or done.

bob2356 says

You are correct. Homicide rate exploded with all the arms sales 1970 to 1993

You have a chart for that? I don't. Only since 1986. Gun sale growth went up in the last few years of the homicide rate increase; the homicide rate nationally began increasing in the late 1960s.

The more Guns = more homicides is completely wrong for this century, especially.

What else happened in the 60s that might have led to more homicide?

Still no specifics from the Anti-2A crowd on how they would restrict firearms effectively.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

You have a chart for that? I don't. Only since 1986. Gun sale growth went up in the last few years of the homicide rate increase; the homicide rate nationally began increasing in the late 1960s.

You posted the chart of murders from 1960 on for christ sakes. Don't you know what you've posted? I posted the data also but in a list. Here is is again. http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/uscrime.htm . Murders tripled 1960 to 1993. Go look.Or look at your own frigging chart. The chart of the number of guns in the us since 1942 is already posted also. The number of guns went up up up during the period as did murders. Which makes you and dimbulbs claim that an increasing number guns drives down the murders total bullshit.

There was a small blip in 92/93 of less than 2 million new guns a year above the previous years added to the 250 million guns already in circulation at the time. Are you seriously suggesting that additional gun sales of 0.8% a year for a couple years drove the murder rate down? You want to ride that horse? Really? I know you guys absolutely suck at math but that's beyond absurd. Besides the murder rate was already decreasing by then. Gun sales actually started spiking in 2009-2010, 10 years after the murder rate flat lined. This is all from your own charts, don't you look at them?

Give it up, there is no way to support this turkey.

me123 says

me123 says

please post the chart that shows how many legal gun owners are selling their guns to criminals.

Hey bobby boy, got that chart yet?

Democrats just want to use this tragedy for personal political gain of some sort. Nothing else to it, everything else is story for the gullible supporters of the Democratic party.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

There is NO link between the increasing prevalence of firearms and the decreasing homicide rate.

Then why did you claim there was a link for so long? I was beginning to think you were the poster boy for the failings of the american educational system. Can you let ironman know this now?

TwoScoopsMcGee says

Bob, do you want more gun restrictions?

No I don't want more gun restrictions. Depending on what you define as restriction. But I don't want this bullshit about increasing numbers of guns reducing the murder rate used as a wedge for the NRA to destroy any type of rational rules about gun ownership. Look at Wisconsin. They proposed carry with the stipulation of needing to take a class. The NRA (aka the gun manufacturers) went apeshit and carpet bombed the state with a blitz of propaganda about how having to take a class was dismantling the second amendment. Absurd.

What I do want is to track guns. Strawmen buyers are providing criminals with the majority of their guns. They should be in jail as should the legit gun owner who sold a gun to them no questions asked. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/guns/procon/guns.html You and ironman can look up many more articles and studies that say the same thing. There is this really cool new program called google.com. Check it out. Just type where do criminals get their guns and lots of stuff to read comes up. Really it's true.

My house is gun free as well, and I guarantee if one of you sissy fucking Betas came around here looking for shit, you’d get tossed out on your ass with a mouthful. That sign is dumb.

TwoScoopsMcGee says

But yeah, I'm a brain damaged liar who denies the reality that Democrats don't want to ban guns.

Yes, God forbid that a hunter can't go out and kill a deer with an assault rifle. Just how the Founding Fathers intended.

me123 says

What exactly is a "assault rifle"? Can you explain what it is for me?

There is no set definition per se. Congress defined it in the 1994 ban as this:



Others have other definitions such as this:

"The technical definition of an assault rifle consists of four requirements:
1 It is a shoulder mounted weapon
2. It is magazine fed.
3. It is intermediate power.
4. It is selective fire."

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-definition-of-assault-rifle

TwoScoopsMcGee says

How about the 2016 Dem platform?

"To build on the success of the lifesaving Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, we will expand and strengthen background checks and close dangerous loopholes in our current laws; repeal the Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) to revoke the dangerous legal immunity protections gun makers and sellers now enjoy; and keep weapons of war—such as assault weapons and large capacity ammunition magazines (LCAM's)—off our streets."

http://www.presidency.ucsb.edu/papers_pdf/117717.pdf (Page 39)
When the Assault Rifle ban expired, did the homicide rate go up or down?

But yeah, I'm a brain damaged liar who denies the reality that Democrats don't want to ban guns.

Waw, waw, waw. Those bad democrats want to ban ar-15's and ak-47's. That's awful. They are such great hunting rifles. Plus, how can I hunt deer without a 30 round clip and bump stock? Dont' forget a silencer, wouldn't want hearing damage.

It's good that you recognize you are a brain damaged liar. Admitting to a problem is the first step to a cure.

The same way they were banned in the past. You make a definition when you write the law.

There are intelligent right wingers out there. .But they are mighty dishonest too, if they thought Trump was a safer bet than Clinton.

me123 says

As an aside, an”assault weapon” is a phrase made up by the anti-gun crowd to confuse the issue of what a weapon actually is.

Pretty amazing that the federal government was able to have an assault weapon ban when cic says there isn't any assault weapons. How did they do that?

me123 says

bob2356 says

me123 says

As an aside, an”assault weapon” is a phrase made up by the anti-gun crowd to confuse the issue of what a weapon actually is.

Pretty amazing that the federal government was able to have an assault weapon ban when cic says there isn't any assault weapons. How did they do that?

and did you see the YYUUGGEE number of decreased homicides because of it. Worked well, didn't it?

So now you are saying there is such a thing as an assault weapon. First there isn't now there is.

To OP ... seems very clear what the majority of the population is asking for:
http://news.gallup.com/poll/220637/americans-widely-support-tighter-regulations-gun-sales.aspx

It's pretty simple zzyyxx:

Dems want to close the loopholes by which such shooters can very easily obtain guns.

Rew says

To OP ... seems very clear what the majority of the population is asking for:
http://news.gallup.com/poll/220637/americans-widely-support-tighter-regulations-gun-sales.aspx

Finally a semblance of a wishlist.

Now, to the second part: what are you going to offer in return? How about national shall-issue CCW permits in exchange for #1 on the list?

joeyjojojunior says

It's pretty simple zzyyxx:

Dems want to close the loopholes by which such shooters can very easily obtain guns.

So tell us, Joey, where did this guy buy his evil "assault weapon"?

Sniper says

So tell us, Joey the TROLL, where did this guy buy his evil "assault weapon"?

Again with the emotion. You guys just can't make an argument without it, huh?

But, it looks like Mr. Kelley got his gun from a local sporting goods store.

Sniper says

Looks like that destroys your "loophole" narrative, doesn't it?

Not really. Obviously the background check didn't work. Let's fix it.

Sniper says

With what, MORE gun laws?

You do know that criminals don't give a shit about CURRENT laws right? That's why we need MORE laws? Did I get that right?

Ah, the same tired old argument. So, by that logic we should get rid of all laws then, right? Murderers and rapists obviously didn't care about the laws so let's get rid of them.

All these mass shootings are keeping me entertained.
Maybe we will have another one soon because killing is what man's really good at.

Sniper says

Hey Joey the TROLL, got an answer yet to the questions?

I already answered it. I didn't think I needed to repeat myself over and over again.

joeyjojojunior says

Dems want to close the loopholes by which such shooters can very easily obtain guns.

So, they're kind of new laws, but really more just improvements to current laws.

Sniper says

I asked for SPECIFIC laws that would have prevented him from buying, NOT your trolling narrative.

What specific NEW law would have stopped him?

I don't care what you asked for piggy. Everyone else on the thread understands...

Sniper says

Your honor, I rest my case.

OK--this is the last time I'll engage you. I answered your question. Let's close the loopholes. For example, as Bob mentioned on another thread-let's require background checks on private sales/gun shows.

Sniper says

What NEW laws is your Tribe proposing that would have prevented this guy from buying his guns. This should be a real easy answer for you, if you were really serious, and not just a TROLL.

wtf---there is no law requiring background checks at gun shows. I'm saying let's pass a NEW law requiring them. Is that too hard for you to follow?

Sniper says

Ahhh, so that would have prevent this guy from buying the guns, if they checked him out before he bought them at a local gun show. Good!

Nope--but it would prevent some people who shouldn't have guns from getting them. Or do you think it's not worth potentially saving hundreds of lives?

Anyone catch the exit polling stats for Virginia on issues that mattered to voters?

Immigration: red
Healthcare: blue
Guns: 50/50 split!

California looking to implement enforcement to take guns from convicted felons and mentally ill.

It's happening.

US is going to shift here. As fast as we did on same sex marriage? Tough to say, but it for sure has started. Time is on the side of better gun regs and enforcement.

Sniper says

I would love to save lives, I just keep asking you for sensible laws that would WORK in these cases but not infringe on lawful owners, but all you keep posting is nonsense that has no bearing on reality.

So you think that background checks don't work and infringe on lawful owners?