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Carbon Doomsday

By Patrick following x   2018 Feb 8, 9:41am 1,244 views   98 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


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1   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 11:13am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

From the article:
"Every day, NOAA scientists carefully measure the carbon dioxide in the atmosphere from Mauna Loa, Hawaii. This important data is public but hard to digest. We want to empower everyone around the world to use it."

Can anyone explain why they measure co2 from an active volcano?
2   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 8, 11:15am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

So plants intake carbon dioxide. You really care about the environment, plant a tree, grow a vegetable garden. Move out of the city.
3   Patrick   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 11:30am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

I'm pretty certain that CO2 is increasing, but not certain it's entirely a bad thing. Longer growing seasons, shorter shipping across the arctic, etc.
4   anon_906c2   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 11:33am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I live on land not in the atmosphere.
What happens there stays there.
5   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 11:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Patrick says
Longer growing seasons,


Not sure this would be the case in most places.
6   anon_01798   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 11:49am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Onvacation says
Can anyone explain why they measure co2 from an active volcano?


How else can they keep the hoax going?
7   zzyzzx   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 11:50am   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

HappyGilmore says

Not sure this would be the case in most places.


Yeah, shithole countries would take another hit there.
8   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 11:56am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

NuttBoxer says
So plants intake carbon dioxide. You really care about the environment, plant a tree, grow a vegetable garden. Move out of the city.

Cities are the less carbon intensive places on a per capita basis. Sprawl is very energy intensive.
9   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 11:59am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Onvacation says
Can anyone explain why they measure co2 from an active volcano?


Isotopic signature demonstrates added carbon in atmosphere comes predominantly from fossil fuels.

Not to mention simple accounting show humans emit twice as much carbon as the increase in the atmosphere.
10   anon_01798   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 12:00pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

HappyGilmore says
Patrick says
Longer growing seasons,


Not sure this would be the case in most places.


Why not? According to the alarmists, CO2 raises the temperature, and everyone knows plants love CO2.

Aren't both of those situations (warmer and more CO2) beneficial to plants?
11   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 12:11pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_01798 says
Why not? According to the alarmists, CO2 raises the temperature, and everyone knows plants love CO2.

Aren't both of those situations (warmer and more CO2) beneficial to plants?


Depends on what it does to relative humidity. Last I checked, plants don't love the Sahara. Nor do they love getting 8" of rain in a day.
12   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 8, 12:19pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Heraclitusstudent says
Cities are the less carbon intensive places on a per capita basis.


Do all the needs & consumption of massive city populations not create CO2?
13   anon_61c8a   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 12:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Onvacation says
Can anyone explain why they measure co2 from an active volcano?

That's easy to explain and easy for any honest person to understand if they bother to look it up.
14   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 12:40pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Heraclitusstudent says
 

Onvacation says
Can anyone explain why they measure co2 from an active volcano?


Isotopic signature demonstrates added carbon in atmosphere comes predominantly from fossil fuels.

Not to mention simple accounting show humans emit twice as much carbon as the increase in the atmosphere.

Interesting? Makes me wonder about the methodology. Do you have a source for the "isotopic signature" study?
15   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 12:43pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

HappyGilmore says
Depends on what it does to relative humidity.

The wetbulb theory.
16   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 12:49pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_61c8a says
That's easy to explain and easy for any honest person to understand if they bother to look it up.

Mostly a joke.

I have no doubt co2 is rising.
I have big doubts about the correlation between co2 concentrations and global warming climate change.
17   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 1:20pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

In the 1950s, the first years we have direct regular measurements of CO2 and CH4. Before that it's spotty and mostly based on ice core samples. Surprise! The moment we start getting direct measurements, the concentration spikes.

Definitely don't question the proxies.

This might be the highest concentration of CO2 since several million years ago when the early primates were riding around in the billions of SUVs.

In any case, now is the time for a complete embargo of Africa and to start developing and spraying birth control there.
18   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 1:50pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says
In any case, now is the time for a complete embargo of Africa and to start developing and spraying birth control there.


Didn't realize the Africans had such a large carbon footprint.
19   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 2:08pm   ↑ like (5)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

IPCC Climate Models are wayyyyyy off from observed reality. Until their predictions fall closer to observed reality, they should be discounted.



We literally have to have an increase of 1C in the next decade to match the average of 102 historical IPCC forecasts.
20   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 2:41pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Can you link the study you pulled that chart from?
21   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 2:56pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Onvacation says
Interesting? Makes me wonder about the methodology. Do you have a source for the "isotopic signature" study?

Do you have Google on your computer?
22   anon_2d3fb   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 3:14pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

HappyGilmore says
anon_01798 says
Why not? According to the alarmists, CO2 raises the temperature, and everyone knows plants love CO2.

Aren't both of those situations (warmer and more CO2) beneficial to plants?


Depends on what it does to relative humidity. Last I checked, plants don't love the Sahara. Nor do they love getting 8" of rain in a day.


Yes, let's go to extreme statements when a narrative is blown up. Typical.
23   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 3:52pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (2)     quote      

Alarmists, please abandon this nonsense. You are making yourselves a permanent source of ridicule. When you post your bunk as scientific fact, it stays up for future readers to laugh at your arrogance.
24   Malcolm   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 4:34pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says
We literally have to have an increase of 1C in the next decade to match the average of 102 historical IPCC forecasts.


I'm just glad that this trend happened while CO2 levels are supposedly high, since then these clowns would start taking credit for lowering the temperature.
25   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 4:43pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says

... Except the graph of real temperatures looks like this:
26   Heraclitusstudent   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 8, 4:48pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says
IPCC Climate Models are wayyyyyy off from observed reality. Until their predictions fall closer to observed reality, they should be discounted.

There is even a gif debunking your image:
27   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 8, 6:37pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

The busting "gif" commits it's own flaws. If the middle range of both are shown, there's still a missing .5C warming that needs to be fulfilled by the end of the decade.

Again, it all goes back to how much CO2/PPM = how much Temperature Increase. If this basic question can't be answered, the science isn't close to being settled

I saw a bunch of CO2 Alarmist websites that reminded me of all the Doomsday Clocks, Buy Iraqi Dinars, and Gold to $10,000/oz over the years. Generally, betting against complex models is a winner, IMHO.
28   NuttBoxer   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 8, 11:51pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Heraclitusstudent says
Sprawl is very energy intensive.


Spawl as you call it, is just a sub-component of city. For me there's city, then there's country. Like I said, move to the country. Also, you kind of missed my thing about plants eating up carbon dioxide. Now what living situation has the most plant life..?
29   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 6:16am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

Heraclitusstudent says
   

Onvacation says
Interesting? Makes me wonder about the methodology. Do you have a source for the "isotopic signature" study?

Do you have Google on your computer?

Found it:
"because of the nature of organic plant decay that emits CO2, such a mass spectrometry analysis is bogus. Therefore, it is argues, IPCC researchers are either grossly incompetent or corrupt because it is impossible to detect whether carbon dioxide (CO2) in the atmosphere is of human or organic origin. "

Another bogus alarmist theory.
30   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 6:43am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Why a gif, if only to disallow any serious dissection of the displayed information...
A manually controlled slideshow would have given more validity to the subject matter...

Heraclitusstudent says
TwoScoopsPlissken says
IPCC Climate Models are wayyyyyy off from observed reality. Until their predictions fall closer to observed reality, they should be discounted.

There is even a gif debunking your image:
31   anon_61c8a   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 7:14am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

BlueSardine says
Why a gif, if only to disallow any serious dissection of the displayed information...
A manually controlled slideshow would have given more validity to the subject matter.

What next? Are you going to say that the creator of the gif drives a red car, and only people with blue cars are trustworthy?

Onvacation says
because of the nature of organic plant decay that emits CO2, such a mass spectrometry analysis is bogus.

I googled this quote, and found that they author claimed that the IPCC touted research is stating that there is no C13 in plants today. They never claimed that. They merely claimed that plants today have a lower C13/C12 ratio than oil. Fucking weird that such a misstatement would get such traction. Furthermore, the extra amount of CO2 in the atmosphere is what you can calculate based on how much fossil fuels we have burned. So, it's just another line of evidence, strengthening the case for what should be obvious.
32   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 7:24am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_61c8a says
So, it's just another line of evidence, strengthening the case for what should be obvious.

So, how much has the temp gone up in the last 2 centuries?
Why is the earth cooling now?
33   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 7:55am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_61c8a says
So, it's just another line of evidence, strengthening the case for what should be obvious.

Please state your obvious case. Is it that the world is warming uncontrollably? It's not. Is it that co2 is linked to warming? It isn't?

What are you trying to say?
34   BlueSardine   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 8:09am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

So charts displayed for 2 seconds constitutes irrefutable evidence. I see...
anon_61c8a says
BlueSardine says
Why a gif, if only to disallow any serious dissection of the displayed information...
A manually controlled slideshow would have given more validity to the subject matter.

What next? Are you going to say that the creator of the gif drives a red car, and only people with blue cars are trustworthy?
35   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 9, 8:50am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Man will never be able to talk & see each other over wires much thru the airwaves.
Only a fool would think man can fly,go into space,land on the moon.
Everyone knows man can't affect climate or pollute his air,water & land.
FMMT!
36   HappyGilmore   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 9:16am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

BlueSardine says
So charts displayed for 2 seconds constitutes irrefutable evidence. I see...


Yes, everyone knows that there is a 3 second minimum for a chart to be irrefutable.
37   anon_f3a24   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 9, 9:56am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Onvacation says
Why is the earth cooling now?


Why do you think the Earth is cooling now?
38   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 9, 10:20am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_f3a24 says

Why do you think the Earth is cooling now?

The earth is cooling because of the suns diminishing output.
39   anon_f3a24   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 9, 10:50am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Onvacation says

The earth is cooling because of the suns diminishing output.


I see. So how much is the sun's output falling?
40   errc   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 9, 10:57am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

What is the optimal output from the sun?

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