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41   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 6:48am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
One typically doesn't lie to an investigator unless he/she has something to hide...


That’s not how it works. When the FBI questions a suspect, they already know all the facts. What they are looking for is either the suspect to incriminate himself or state something that disagrees with their list of facts. This could be a wrong date or time or any sort of thing deemed material to the case. Then BLAM! They’ve got the guy cold on “Lying to the FBI” which is a felony.

If you are ever requested to be interviewed by the FBI as anything other than a witness, decline. If you can’t decline, say as little as possible, and use Hilldawg’s favorite line “I do not recall” like you’re at church and that’s a Hail Mary. There is no benefit from talking to them. There is only a near certain conclusion that they will stick you with this ridiculous charge of lying to them.
42   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 6:58am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
That’s not how it works. When the FBI questions a suspect, they already know all the facts. What they are looking for is either the suspect to incriminate himself or state something that disagrees with their list of facts. This could be a wrong date or time or any sort of thing deemed material to the case. Then BLAM! They’ve got the guy cold on “Lying to the FBI” which is a felony.


lol--we're not talking about the FBI asking what he had for breakfast 3 months ago. These guys knowingly lied to hide incriminating meetings, evidence, statements that they didn't think the FBI already knew. Unfortunately for them, the investigators did their jobs and proved them to be liars.
43   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 7:05am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
lol--we're not talking about the FBI asking what he had for breakfast 3 months ago. These guys knowingly lied to hide incriminating meetings, evidence, statements that they didn't think the FBI already knew. Unfortunately for them, the investigators did their jobs and proved them to be liars.

Oh please Hillary used bleach bit, actually broke her phones with a hammer , destroyed ehr emails after a congressional subpeona-the fBI did what-lOL!
44   Quigley   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 7:49am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

http://reason.com/archives/2018/02/08/donald-trump-shouldnt-talk-to-the-feds-a
“The president is no mere witness. He is at least a subject, and likely a target, of the special counsel's investigation. In federal criminal parlance, a witness is someone not suspected of wrongdoing who has useful information, a subject is someone suspected of wrongdoing who may well be charged if the evidence supports it, and a target is someone whose indictment is actively sought as a purpose of the investigation. When the feds interview a subject or target, their goal is not mere information-gathering or fact-finding or "clearing a few things up." Their goal is the hunt.

In the old westerns, rather than take the trouble of hauling mustachioed miscreants to desultory trials, lawmen would often provoke them into drawing first, thus justifying shooting them down where they stood. A modern federal interview of a subject or target is like that. One purpose, arguably the primary purpose, is to provoke the foolish interviewee into lying, thus committing a new, fresh federal crime that is easily prosecuted, rendering the original investigation irrelevant. Title 18, United States Code, Section 1001, which makes it a felony to lie to the feds, is their shiny quick-draw sidearm. This result not an exception; it is the rule. It happens again and again.

Consider George Papadopoulos. The special counsel secured his guilty plea not for improper contact with the Russians but for lying about that contact to the FBI. Consider Michael Flynn. He too pled guilty not to unlawful contact with Russians but to lying to the FBI about that contact. ”
45   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 12, 8:02am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
Sniper says

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.


If it's a broken record, then I'm sure you already know. One typically doesn't lie to an investigator unless he/she has something to hide...

What are the 4 indictments? Has our president done something illegal?
46   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 8:08am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (3)     quote      

Hillary Hillary Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama,

... fucking Trump is proven to be insulting your intelligence 5 or 6 times a day by lying to your face AND STILL YOU TALK ABOUT

Hillary Hillary Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama,

WHAT A BUNCH OF PUSSIES!!!!!
47   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
... fucking Trump is proven to be insulting your intelligence 5 or 6 times a day by lying to your face AND STILL YOU TALK ABOUT
jazz_music says
Hillary Hillary Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama,

... fucking Trump is proven to be insulting your intelligence 5 or 6 times a day by lying to your face AND STILL YOU TALK ABOUT

Hillary Hillary Hillary, Obama, Obama, Obama,

WHAT A BUNCH OF PUSSIES!!!!!


I approved this since it accused Trump of Insulting Somebody's Intelligence and I didn't see a who specifically was being insulted, just all Trump Supporters.
48   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Quigley says
Consider George Papadopoulos. The special counsel secured his guilty plea not for improper contact with the Russians but for lying about that contact to the FBI. Consider Michael Flynn. He too pled guilty not to unlawful contact with Russians but to lying to the FBI about that contact. ”


Right--and that's because they are co-operating. If no cooperation, then the charges are probably different and more serious.
49   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

lostand confused says

Oh please Hillary used bleach bit, actually broke her phones with a hammer , destroyed ehr emails after a congressional subpeona-the fBI did what-lOL!


Is there any way to have a conversation about Trump without mentioning Hillary? Just wondering.
50   Sniper   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 12, 8:10am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
These guys knowingly lied to hide incriminating meetings, evidence, statements that they didn't think the FBI already knew. Unfortunately for them, the investigators did their jobs and proved them to be liars.


Can you please explain how you know this inside information from Mueller,. I'm curious where the details of these investigations leaked out. I haven't read the details.

anon_8f378 says
Sniper says
The broken record again.

Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.

I'll be waiting.


If it's a broken record, then I'm sure you already know.


Sorry, I don't know how these indictments show Russian collusion, that's why I asked for those details.
51   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:11am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
Is there any way to have a conversation about Trump without mentioning Hillary? Just wondering.


No, because in our election system, it was basically Hillary the Wonderful Progressive Totally Not A Hint of Corruption vs. Trump. There were two choices, and contrasting with the losing candidate who was the only viable alternative is perfectly reasonable.
52   anon_2f771   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:33am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

I have no love for Trump (did not vote for him, do not like tax cut without corresponding cutting of expenses - where is fiscal responsibility), but this Russian collusion issue is loads of crap. If anyone was colluding with Russian, then it was Clintons who got money from them for their foundation.

One interesting piece of news which is ignored by MSM. I will give a link and then translation, as it can be found only in Russian-language media.

https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3662471.html https://el-murid.livejournal.com/3666035.html
This https://el-murid.livejournal.com/ has 4-5 more articles about the bombing, with names and photos of a few killed Russians.

A few more links are available if anyone is interested and/or can read in Russian. There are links in Kurdish but I can not read in that language.

Conspectus: American bombing and shelling killed anywhere between 200 and 600 Russian mercenaries and regular troops near Deir-Ez-Zor on Feb 7, on left bank of Euphrates. Russians tried to attack Kurdish forces, which had embedded American instructors. They called airstrikes and MRLS fire on Russians.

This type of attack has to be sanctioned on the highest level and could not have happened under Obama. To me, it is a pretty good proof that Trump is in no collusion with Russians. He is likely a narcissistic sociopath, but he is no Russian stooge.

drBu
53   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

TwoScoopsPlissken says
No, because in our election system, it was basically Hillary the Wonderful Progressive Totally Not A Hint of Corruption vs. Trump. There were two choices, and contrasting with the losing candidate who was the only viable alternative is perfectly reasonable.


If that's the reasoning, one should at least preface by saying that Trump and his associates are probably guilty and hiding stuff, but so was Hillary.
54   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sorry--those last two quotes from sniper are backwards.
55   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 8:35am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Sniper says
Can you please explain how you know this inside information from Mueller,. I'm curious where the details of these investigations leaked out. I haven't read the details


Again-let's not make the post about me.

But, here's what's public about Papa's lies:

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/30/george-papadopoulos-donald-trump-russia-charge-putin


Sniper says
Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.


No actually you asked:


Sniper says

Sorry, I don't know how these indictments show Russian collusion, that's why I asked for those details.
56   HEYYOU   ignore (6)   2018 Feb 12, 9:23am   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
Again-let's not make the post about me.


It should be about HEYYOU.
He's a patnetter,he knows everything. :-)

I just hope everyone continues to vote D & R.
At least we can't call those that vote against their best interest, hackers.
"Destroyers of America!" has a nice ring.
57   anon_7e933   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 9:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
Sniper says
Can you please explain how you know this inside information from Mueller,. I'm curious where the details of these investigations leaked out. I haven't read the details


Again-let's not make the post about me.


You're claiming some inside knowledge about details of the investigation, that's why I asked you to clarify them. Who else should I ask? Stop being so sensitive or don't make claims that people ask you to verify.

anon_8f378 says
Sniper says
Please list what those 4 indictments are and how they are directly related to Trump's 2016 campaign.


No actually you asked:


Sniper says

Sorry, I don't know how these indictments show Russian collusion, that's why I asked for those details.


Isn't Mueller's investigation about looking for Russian collusion in the past elections? Didn't Trump run in the elections? Hasn't the overwhelming narrative been Russia helped Trump win.

Why do I always need to connect these dots?
58   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 9:49am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_7e933 says
You're claiming some inside knowledge about details of the investigation, that's why I asked you to clarify them. Who else should I ask? Stop being so sensitive or don't make claims that people ask you to verify


Nope--was just stating that the evidence is out there so the statement I responded to is inaccurate. Not inside info at all. The indictment is public.

anon_7e933 says
Isn't Mueller's investigation about looking for Russian collusion in the past elections? Didn't Trump run in the elections? Hasn't the overwhelming narrative been Russia helped Trump win.

Why do I always need to connect these dots?


My guess would be so you can incorrectly connect them.
59   anon_10ddb   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 12:04pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
The indictment is public.


Since the indictments are public, then everyone knows what Manifort and Gates were indicted for, right?

Hint: it had NOTHING to do with Russian interference with the election, and was for events YEARS before.

Bonus questions, what was Flynn's position with the Trump campaign? What was he indicted for?

Second bonus questions, why was Flynn's sentencing date pushed back just the other day? If's he's definitely guilty of Russian collusion, why isn't he in prison yet?
60   TwoScoopsPlissken   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 12:11pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Let's See, Manafort was busted for some shennanigans about taking money from Ukrainians, whom he had subcontracted to assist via Podesta Group. Manafort's been taking money from foreign groups (just like Clinton related lobbyist groups have) for decades upon decades now. Podesta Group "restated" their own Ukrainian lobbyist money many years after they took it and are now shutting down like the Clinton Foundation.

Flynn was entrapped by not wanting to tell the leak-heavy FBI about his meeting with Russian officials, which was part of his job description as part of an incoming Administration.

However, Flynn may not have been entrapped and may have deliberately caused a 18 USC 1001 charge and immunity for testimony for purposes yet to be revealed. Note that the Mueller-Flynn deal is months old yet and we haven't heard shit, and you bet your ass Mueller would have leaked ("Officials close to the Mueller Investigation") something by now if there was anything to leak.
61   anon_8f378   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 12:28pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_10ddb says

Hint: it had NOTHING to do with Russian interference with the election, and was for events YEARS before.


Yep--and those indictments are expected to be amended with additional charges. Depends on how cooperative Gates and Manafort become.

anon_10ddb says
what was Flynn's position with the Trump campaign? What was he indicted for?


I'm really surprised you need me to answer these for you. The info is readily available. Flynn was "a top adviser and high-profile surrogate to Trump during his campaign, introducing the President-elect at rallies and serving as a top cheerleader on his hyper-active Twitter feed."

https://www.cnn.com/2016/11/17/politics/trump-offers-flynn-job-of-national-security-adviser/index.html
Obviously he became National Security Advisor as well.

"Prosecutors alleged Flynn “did willfully and knowingly make materially false, fictitious and fraudulent statements” to FBI agents during a Jan. 24 interview about his conversations with the Russian ambassador. According to the allegations, Flynn falsely told FBI agents that he did not ask Kislyak to delay a vote on a pending United Nations Security Council resolution"

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2017/12/01/michael-flynn-charges-what-we-know-now/912909001/
(note--this was not a perjury trap. Flynn lied to try to hide his behavior)

anon_10ddb says
why was Flynn's sentencing date pushed back just the other day?


https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/31/politics/robert-mueller-michael-flynn/index.html
There you go. My guess is they are still evaluating his cooperation. Note--both sides wanted it pushed back.
62   anon_ce856   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 6:13pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

anon_8f378 says
Yep--and those indictments are expected to be amended with additional charges.


Is this more inside information from Mueller that you received?

anon_8f378 says
There you go.


Is it possible to get links from neutral sources that DON'T have severe TDS? Quoting links from the majorly biased, radical, left wing, liberal CNN really totally destroys the narrative, and nothing they publish can be taken as factual, fair and honest regarding any matter with Trump.
63   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 6:27pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_ce856 says
Is it possible to get links from neutral sources that DON'T have severe TDS?

No because TDS isn't a real thing and there will never be a definition of what it is supposed to be.
64   lostand confused   ignore (0)   2018 Feb 12, 6:34pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

Great -liberals now heaping praise on mass murderer Kim Jong Un's sister-is there any level they won't stoop too? What is next -Joseph Stalin t shirts??
65   jazz_music   ignore (2)   2018 Feb 12, 6:39pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)     quote      

anon_ce856 says
factual, fair and honest regarding any matter with Trump.

This is where Trump really makes his place in illustrated history books as the President that at no time limited himself to fact, fairness and honesty regarding any matter whether in office, in business, in golf, as a TV goblin, or even in marriage.

Most people don't know just how true this statement really is, but it is, and he will assure all that no truer statement has ever been made. In fact apostates who might argue with this can consider themselves unamerican, guilty of treason, and should be confined to their own septic system between brutal beatings.
66   Sniper   ignore (10)   2018 Feb 12, 7:26pm   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says
anon_ce856 says
Is it possible to get links from neutral sources that DON'T have severe TDS?

No because TDS isn't a real thing and there will never be a definition of what it is supposed to be.


Oops, there is a definition:

Trump Derangement Syndrome
A mental dysfunction causing those detractors with hateful thoughts and feelings about Donald Trump to go unhinged.

Trump Derangement Syndrome
A condition of hysteria, anger, and fear of Donald Trump as a result of a failure by the afflicted to avail themselves of alternative media sources to combat the misrepresentations and often outright lies of the leftist media.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Trump%20Derangement%20Syndrome
67   Onvacation   ignore (1)   2018 Feb 13, 7:40am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)     quote      

jazz_music says

No because TDS isn't a real thing and there will never be a definition of what it is supposed to be.

No. It's real.
" Trump Derangement Syndrome is hatred. It’s hatred of anything associated with opposition, dissension or departure from all things related to government activism and “social justice”."

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