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TwoScoopsPlissken says

Do you honestly believe if they took in a hundred thousand or so NAFRA refugees, they'd be richer for it?

I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.

Is it just coincidence that all the mods are biased against non-Trumpcucks?

Or is that by design along with abandoning Free Speech, and honest dialogue?

FP says

I'm afraid you have misunderstood what the conversation was about.

Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism, the preferred Imperialist (and now Corporatist) solution to pesky nationalism?

FP says

1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.

Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.

CBOEtrader says

FP says

1. Working class Americans who vote against their interests. Same for middle class Americans.

Both of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

At this rate, Trump is overwhelming favorite for 2020.

Arguably better than Clinton, but not Sanders.

For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

Canada being Whiter than the USA and Australia being almost Wholly White, and thus homogeneous, have no bearing when it comes to discussing the impact of Multiculturalism,

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

FP says

but not Sanders.

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

FP says

For 2020, it depends on who the opposing candidate will be.

Yeah, K Harris will get destroyed. Unless the Rock is running, Trump is fine.

FP says

Might be this, might be that. Anything but guns.

You were in academia, right? What's your discipline? It's not physics right?

Not physics, more applied discipline

There has to be some correlation between gun crime/gun availability, but I do not think that number of guns is the main or biggest factor. Swiss have twice less guns per capita than US, but gun murder rate is much, much less that of US. Finns have a lot of guns, and again gun crime is much less proportionally than in US, and much, much less crime in general as income distributions in those countries are much more equal than in US.

My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one. One could perhaps start fixing situation with mental health services, or increased economic opportunities for people, or FBI doing its job. Compare Chicago or Baltimore with Houston, El Paso, or San Antonio.

In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high (Russia). Canada/Australia probably has less income inequality.

drB6 says

My personal opinion is that there is many more than just one factor, and gun availability is not the main one

But how can you isolate them? If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise? Or maybe you have solution for how to fix the other problems?

It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.

FP says

If there is a sugnificant fraction of the population prone to gun violence, is making guns (including semi-outimatic) available with hardly any control wise?

Please explain what "hardly any control wise" means.

FP says

It seems to me that one can make a case that the US needs even struckter gun regulation than other countries, not weaker.

What exact laws are missing that should be implemented? Please be specific?

Isn't shooting someone already illegal?

drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.

CBOEtrader says

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.

CBOEtrader says

oth of these groups do FAR better w Trump than any other potus 2016 choice. Evidence so far supports their decision.

What evidence is that?

http://ritholtz.com/2018/03/dont-know-prevent-gun-violence/

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

FP says

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."

FP says

http://ritholtz.com/2018/03/dont-know-prevent-gun-violence/

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

A finance guy is now the authority on gun violence and gun laws???

Really?

To top it off, he posts charts from Vox and Mother Jones, the two most lefty leaning, radical, liberal sites on the web???

Folks, you just can't make this shit up!

HappyGilmore says

CBOEtrader says

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.

Just advocating lots of FREE stuff (paid for by those evil rich people).



Thank GOD he didn't win!!

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).

FP says

drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.

They have more homogeneous populations and in many (not most) cases less unequal income distributions. EU East European countries are not poor in grand scheme of things. Former Soviet Union has similar or higher murder rates than US of A, with Russia being worst.

My problem with gun removal is that government starts things with best intentions and ends screwing everything up. They can introduce another 10000 rules and regulations and ignore them just like they did with shooting in TX church (the perp was reported for domestic abuse yet nothing came out of it and he bought a gun which he should not be able to according to already existing rules), Florida school shooting - FBI/local police was informed many times yet nothing, there was a school shooting in NW NM - again shooter was reported to FBI etc. A few more regulations are more likely to screw over law-abiding citizens.

I did not grow up in gun culture, so the question does not hold emotional significance to me. However, I know many people around me who grew up with guns around them, who like having a lot of them in their houses, and who are very responsible owners. New regulations will make their life more difficult while FBI will miss another thousand tips, and after another shooting we will have more calls for new rules and regulations.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says

Are you equating skin color with multiculturilism? Because Canada, I would argue, is even more multicultural than the US.

Typically, at a multicultural event, they bring out non-White people. Colleges put non-Whites on their brochures (but NOT too many Asians) with the Heading "Fart College committed to multiculturalism and diversity on campus".

So when PoMo Neoliberals talk about multiculturalism, the "Subtext" is that of "Look at all the non-Whites".

NOT "Oh look, a big province speaks French. Hey, all 12 of are employees are European, but the gal from Trois-Riveres in accounting can rap in Joual and makes a mean poutaine."

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Otherwise, I know that Canada is a PC hell. I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).

HappyGilmore says

CBOEtrader says

Socialism totally helps the working class, right comrades?

Sanders is not advocating socialism. So, try again.

Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)

FP says

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

The meaning of multicultural is determined by it's use in society, and that's what it means to me, because I'm interested in reality since I have to deal with it.

Just like slavery really means "1500-1880 Slavery by Europeans" and not "600-1850 Slavery by Muslims from Astrakhan to Arabized Sicily, from Ireland to Ukraine to Zanzibar" or "Slavery generally around the world, from the Aztec sacrifice of POWs to their bloodthirsty gods to African slavery of their enemy tribesmen to the Zanj Rebellion of Black Slaves in the Persian Gulf"

FP says

I have a Canadian citizenship (in addition to a couple more).

What's the benefit?

FP says

So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

Communities w different cultural values. The larger the differences, the larger the problems. This has been true since the beginning of time, and will always be true.

If a group wants to assimilate, they almost always do just fine. If, however, they reject liberal acceptance of others and would prefer to throw gays off rooftops and/or rape white women, then we have big problems. See Sweden's skyrocketing crime and rape rates for an example.

Sniper says

Just advocating lots of FREE stuff (paid for by those evil rich people).



Thank GOD he didn't win!!

If we discount the first item on Bernie's list, the price tag is not much different from that of Iraq war...and money would be spent here as opposed to bombing desert and enriching arms manufacturers. I do not think Bernie is particularly realistic, but he is for sure better than Bush & Co who wasted trillions on chasing camel herders.

Booger says

Add in, he censored dangerous wrongthink. Today's progressives would have been Nazi's FOR SURE. Group think idiocy always leads to tyranny.

TwoScoopsPlissken says

FP says

I don't care what "they" do. I wrote that Canada is multicultural and you replied with "but it's only 2.5%" black. So the question is what multicultural is according to YOU.

The meaning of multicultural is determined by it's use in society

In general yes, but completely irrelevant for our conversation.

drB6 says

FP says

drB6 says<
In many poorer E. European countries murder rates are actually pretty high


Many? I'm pretty sure that all of the EU Eastern European countries has much lower rate than the US.

They have more homogeneous populations and in many (not most) cases less unequal income distributions. EU East European countries are not poor in grand scheme of things. Former Soviet Union has similar or higher murder rates than US of A, with Russia being worst.

1. I gave Eastern European countries as an example of relatively (to the US) poor countries, which they are. Income inequality, depending how is measured, is not much off.

2. Former Soviet Union? Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia? A few are in EU, a few others have lower gun homocide rates, for a few there's no data, a few have/had civil wars. A lot of the gun violence in that region is also organized-crime related.

3. Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?

Can’t you all just get along?

CBOEtrader says

Today's progressives would have been Nazi's FOR SURE. Group think idiocy always leads to tyranny.

You have a truly wonderful understanding of Nazism and Hitler. I love your objectivity.

Hitler's political beliefs drew heavily upon social Darwinism—the view that natural selection applies as much to human society as it does to biological organisms.[101] Hitler believed that history was shaped by a violent struggle between nations and races; and that a nation needed to be united under a strong, centralized state led by an heroic leader in order to succeed in this struggle and that individuals within a nation battled with each other for survival; and that such ruthless competition was good for the health of the nation because it promoted "superior individuals" to higher positions in society.[102]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economics_of_fascism
The truth is that the Nazis didn't have an economic policy, and Hitler considered that a feature and not a bug. And yet the Nazis were ultimately corporatists. German corporatations had a lot of influence on Nazis, and not the other way around. He used the word socialist, but specifically said that it was nothing like marxist socialism.

You know this, but say what you say becasue of an apparent need to conflate progressives with Nazis, while simultaneously lecturing progressives on their tendencies toward name calling.

Wtf ?

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

Yes. That sounds just like Hitler. Is that the general idea behind what he was going for with his talk of the purity and superiority of the Aryan race ?

The ideology of Nazism was based upon the conception of the ancient Aryan race being a superior race, holding the highest position in the racial hierarchy and that the Germanic peoples were the most racially pure existing peoples of Aryan stock.[33] The Nazi conception of the Aryan race arose from earlier proponents of a supremacist conception of the race as described by racial theorist figures such as Arthur de Gobineau and Houston Stewart Chamberlain.[34]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

marcus says

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.

marcus says

Yes. That sounds just like Hitler.

we agree.

CBOEtrader says

Ok. Try to explain the difference between socialism, and the rebranded Democratic socialism. (There is none.)

No problem. There is a HUGE difference and I'll detail it here for you.

Socialism is public or government ownership of means of production. Democratic Socialism is privately owned means of production.

It is apples and oranges.

CBOEtrader says

marcus says

IF anything progressives these days might be accused of celebrating diversity and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of white dominance in our culture.

IF anything Nazis might be accused of celebrating Germans and are quite at peace with the imminent loss of Jewish dominance in our culture.

Wait, what ?

RafiMaas says

Fact, rightests are too fucking stupid to understand this.

Nah, we just don't care.

FP_ex says

Which countries are you talking about apart from Russsia?

Latvia, Lithuania, Belarus

FP_ex says

Yes, the US is unique in many ways, but one can look at the trend among many countries (not only between the US and country X):

http://ritholtz.com/2017/10/gun-ownership-vs-gun-deaths/

The correlation is clear. And yes, it is not perfect because other factors are in play. But why refuse to acknowledge and address the most obvious one?

I'd say that it should not be gun deaths, it should be gun murders. The correlation might look different. Furthermore, the fact that some idiots kill people while driving drunk or texting while driving does not mean that we should prohibit alcohol or cellphones.

HappyGilmore says

It is apples and oranges.

Ah ok, so socialism is the failed real world approach. Democratic socialism is a dream that leftists have about "real socialism". Its the "I would never be like Mao if i were in charge" narcassistic fantasy.There is no functional difference. It's all forced collectivism at the barrel of a gun. Take wrong thinkers to the gulags