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The arctic temperature was spiking up in the 70s the same way it is today.
2017 was either the second warmest or third warmest on record, depending on who you ask. I guess it's better than every single year being a new all time hottest on record.
not much
I get so confused why people always debate/argue over this topic.
bob2356 says
The magic word is trend line.
Hockey stick
If there are people out there that don't know the difference then there is very little that can be done to help them
If there are people out there that don't know the difference then there is very little that can be done to help them.
What are these billions in taxes being spent on climate change ?
Of course the goal is protecting the interests of big oil and big coal.
You mean like all the stupid scientists that come out of schools like, MIT, Harvard, Stanford, Cal Tech, Oxford, Cambridge etc. ? Yes, the evil democrats have really pulled on over on those dumb ass "book larnin" folks.
There were a couple years with spiked fluctuations, but not with it staying so much above the averages like it does every year the past five years..
WookieMan saysI get so confused why people always debate/argue over this topic.
People do that because of a billion dollars invested in the same advertisers that created the tobacco health debate.
The only thing that really matters, regardless of what/who we want to blame, is that humans are trashing the planet. We need less of them. This is the only solution for climate change deniers or climate change believers. The ONLY. And this is why I don't get these arguments.
Theories are meant to be questioned and tested and improved. The PC culture (which marcus displays w hus "book larnin" comment) combined w $$billions = propaganda for the purpose of power. Any reasonable adult should be able to admit this much.
I believe we're trashing the planet,
But denier scientists directly in the pay of energy companies are of course totally objective??
These arctic spikes in temperature are not unprecedented. They happened in the 70's as you can see in the charts you linked. I recall reading somewhere that there where similiar spikes in the 30's. The spikes in temp are still well below freezing.
There is a short summer season where the ice actually is melting.
Predictions on when the arctic will be ice free?
I have no clue.
Neither do the alarmist scientist with their failed models of doom.
Link to said scientists please. The energy companies don't hire "denier scientists"
How many do you want?
Funny how you trust scientists when their science brings you new toys or better tools. But when it brings you bad news, you go in to a state of denial, based on what ? Propaganda payed for by big oil ?
bob2356 says
How many do you want?
And Manhattan is still above water in spite of all those alarmist predictions!
Not all scientists believe in CAGW. And the scientist that do have had to manipulate the data to match their beliefs.
The facts speak for themselves.
At some point Gore says that the arctic MIGHT be ice free in the summer AS EARLY AS 2013.
Another way of looking at this is the following - does anyone really thinks that emitting 32+ gigatons of CO2 every single year will not have any effect and can safely be ignored?
Funny how you trust scientists when their science brings you new toys or better tools. But when it brings you bad news, you go in to a state of denial, based on what ? Propaganda payed for by big oil ?
Releasing only CO2 presents no threat to humanity.
How do you know that? How can you with a certainty say that in the warming we are observing, there is no component of CO2 influence?
Yes, so we should keep an open mind.
No, and neither can you.
True. But that means that we have to keep an open mind, and we can not declare that "releasing CO2 is not a threat to humanity", just like we can not say "we will all gonna die tomorrow because of CO2 release".
apparently been no side effects that have been negative to humanity
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