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socal2 says

And this is where we are today.

"'RACIST + RAPIST' SPRAY PAINTED ON THOMAS JEFFERSON STATUE AT THE UNIVERSITY OF VIRGINIA"
http://www.newsweek.com/thomas-jefferson-statue-vandalism-university-virginia-886233

Washington, Adams and Lincoln will be next.

Then again, I believe you made the claim that each generation is smarter than the last.

Yep. And a couple idiots certainly doesn't disprove that statement.

There is an official ideology and bureaucracy at play here.

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2015/august/black-clergy-continue-campaign-against-sanger-bust

So, the statue of a great songwriter is taken down solely because of a black dude playing the banjo sitting next to him, but a vicious Eugenicist who called for sterilizing and aborting the Black Race into extinction is just fine and dandy.

Because the former offending the right Black Folk, but the latter offended the wrongthink Black Folk.

Don't be Right Deviationist!

RecentCost says

"History is racist and sexist and homophobic. Let's pretend nothing came before us so no one's feelings are hurt" - Millennials

Not all millenials. This is a tyranny of a very loud, righteous minority. The idiocy of the few is redpilling millenials daily. Expect millenials to continue to leave the left into the near future, as they have over the last 2 years.

At some point the useful idiots will congregate back to the right, at which point the pendulum will start to swing again towards the left.

The useful idiot masses arent going anywhere, despite their current move to leave the left.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

So, the statue of a great songwriter is taken down solely because of a black dude playing the banjo sitting next to him, but a vicious Eugenicist who called for sterilizing and aborting the Black Race into extinction is just fine and dandy.

Nice that you are the official arbiter of what offends African Americans. Does everyone need to ask you for permission to be offended? Does the request have to be written on a specific form for you to approve?

It's actually quite amusing, because Trump supporters are the ones who are always looking for ways to get offended and persecuted.

RecentCost says

"History is racist and sexist and homophobic. Let's pretend nothing came before us so no one's feelings are hurt" - Millennials

How about--let's not honor racists? Is it possible to understand that people used to be racist and homophobic and sexist, and also decide not to idolize and honor them?

LeonDurham says

sexist

MLK would not survive in today's "me-too" environment
LeonDurham says

racist

Washington - slave owner, Jefferson - slave owner. About the latter two, I am sure that if current atmosphere persists, their statues will be removed in a few years.

In contrast, statues of, for example, De Vargas and Don Juan de Oñate are left where they are. Don Juan de Oñate ordered cutting off Native American feet and in general was genociding Indians left and right. But they belong to currently more politically correct segment of population, namely Hispanic. Can we say different rules for different historic figures based on their ethnic/racial origins?

LeonDurham says

It's actually quite amusing, because Trump supporters are the ones who are always looking for ways to get offended and persecuted.

Bizarro-world stuff right there.

Anyone who is halfway paying attention and honest knows that it is the Left wing that is constantly "offended" as they are tearing down statues, throwing tantrums on college campuses, boycotting corporations, shutting down right-wing speakers, rioting in the streets and creating a gazillion classifications of persecuted groups along with "hate-crime" legislation.

Tell us who is offended again?

Talk about being persecuted. Which party is constantly paranoid that Trump is going to ban contraceptives, reinstate Jim-Crow, throw gays in jail, and force women to have babies?

The left-wing entire brand is to convince people they are being persecuted and need big government to protect them.

socal2 says

Bizarro-world stuff right there.

Really? Sure seems like Trumpworld was offended by a comedian making jokes last weekend. I guess free speech is only important when it's saying good things about Trump.

Left working overtime to erase history.

Straight out Orwell’s book.

LeonDurham says

I guess free speech is only important when it's saying good things about Trump.

I guess you think criticizing hack left wing-comedians isn't free speech?

Every partisan and smugly liberal I have ever met can sure dish it out, but they shriek and call foul anytime a Conservative hits back rhetorically.

"Can't they take a joke! They hate free speech! What a crybaby!"

LeonDurham says

Sure seems like Trumpworld was offended by a comedian making jokes last weekend

I hate to ruin your argument but ... The Hill has pulled out of next years WHCD citing a mean spirited atmosphere and one-sided hateful rhetoric it doesn’t want to be associated with. Several other publications are also considering withdrawing from the event as well. Trump supporters just saw the hateful attacks as proof that Trump was 100% correct to miss the event.

LeonDurham says

Is it possible to understand that people used to be racist and homophobic and sexist

Yah, like practically everyone prior to the last half a century, where the racism has dwindled to just those who call themselves Democrats. Should we erase all our history to “whitewash” out the unsanitary bits? Should we pretend that all people with racists beliefs never existed? Seems like that’s the only way Leftists will be satisfied.

socal2 says

I guess you think criticizing hack left wing-comedians isn't free speech?

Suggesting the dinner should be shut down seems like anti-free speech to me.

Quigley says

LeonDurham says

Is it possible to understand that people used to be racist and homophobic and sexist

Yah, like practically everyone prior to the last half a century, where the racism has dwindled to just those who call themselves Democrats. Should we erase all our history to “whitewash” out the unsanitary bits?

Obama and Hillary Clinton were anti-gay marriage just a few years ago.

We need to tear down the presidential portrait NOW!!

Quigley says

I hate to ruin your argument but ... The Hill has pulled out of next years WHCD citing a mean spirited atmosphere and one-sided hateful rhetoric it doesn’t want to be associated with. Several other publications are also considering withdrawing from the event as well. Trump supporters just saw the hateful attacks as proof that Trump was 100% correct to miss the event.

How does that ruin my argument? How is that any different from SJWs getting cities to remove monuments?

Trumpkins cried to get their way.

Quigley says

Yah, like practically everyone prior to the last half a century, where the racism has dwindled to just those who call themselves Democrats. Should we erase all our history to “whitewash” out the unsanitary bits? Should we pretend that all people with racists beliefs never existed? Seems like that’s the only way Leftists will be satisfied.

Nope--smart people realize that statues aren't history. If you want to learn history, read a book. Watch a documentary. Visit a museum.

Looking at art doesn't teach history.

socal2 says

Obama and Hillary Clinton were anti-gay marriage just a few years ago.

We need to tear down the presidential portrait NOW!!

Hey-at least you understand that statues are art. We're getting somewhere.

LeonDurham says

How does that ruin my argument? How is that any different from SJWs getting cities to remove monuments?

http://thehill.com/opinion/white-house/385742-matt-schlapp-whca-dinner-will-turn-americans-tired-of-the-hate-to-trumps

Maybe this will enlighten you. I’m betting against it, but I feel confident that others reading this thread will understand where you haven’t a prayer.

LeonDurham says

Nice that you are the official arbiter of what offends African Americans. Does everyone need to ask you for permission to be offended? Does the request have to be written on a specific form for you to approve?

Funny, Government Institutions usually back down in the face of minority complaints.

But here the Smithsonian had to choose between the Powerful Libby Lobby in Media, Government, and Academia, run by Well-Off, Well-connected Democrat Women who control much PR, Budgets, and Donations the Museum depends on. Chicks like the Port Authority bitch.

Safer to insult the Black Pastors, instead.

Quigley says

Maybe this will enlighten you. I’m betting against it, but I feel confident that others reading this thread will understand where you haven’t a prayer.

Read it. Still don't see anything "ruining" my post. It's an opinion piece by CPAC. Not sure what you think it says.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Funny, Government Institutions usually back down in the face of minority complaints.

Yep--kind of like how government is afraid of the NRA and gun nuts.

LeonDurham says

Yep--kind of like how government is afraid of the NRA and gun nuts.

Unlike the Smithsonian, the NRA doesn't depend on contributions from Wealthy Coastal Elites.

LeonDurham says

Read it.

Liar. The time stamp on my post is 3:34 and your post is 3:36. You read the entire article AND wrote a lame ass reply in 2 minutes? Doubtful.

LeonDurham says

Not sure what you think it says.

Speaking of being not sure - who exactly on the Right said they should BAN the WHCD?

I believe most Conservatives simply said they shouldn't attend the left wing circle jerk.

We get plenty of smugly Liberal group-think and condescension from Comedy Central, Media and most Hollywood products.

socal2 says

Speaking of being not sure - who exactly on the Right said they should BAN the WHCD?

Let's see--Trump tweeted it.

Since when is calling a liar, a liar smug?

Quigley says

Liar. The time stamp on my post is 3:34 and your post is 3:36. You read the entire article AND wrote a lame ass reply in 2 minutes? Doubtful.

lol--you think it's impossible to read that short article in 2 minutes?

Pretty sure calling another poster a liar is against the rules here..

How about you quit mucking around and simply state what you think this article says and why it "ruins" my logic.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Unlike the Smithsonian, the NRA doesn't depend on contributions from Wealthy Coastal Elites.

Hilarious. Are contributions from rednecks somehow better than money from liberals in your world?

Condescending much? That attitude is why Republicans have lost 17 pts on average in every election since 2016.

Besides the fact that the NRA depends on money laundering funding from Russians... Not sure that's something to brag about.

LeonDurham says

Hilarious. Are contributions from rednecks somehow better than money from liberals in your world?

Rednecks don't have the influence, money, and power of swarmy DC elites.

LeonDurham says

Condescending much? That attitude is why Republicans have lost 17 pts on average in every election since 2016.

Haha! And yet they control both Houses and the Presidency and the Supreme Court and most of the State Governorships and Legislatures.

Meanwhile, the Dems are losing the Millenials, and in the past few months have seen a double digit lead vanish nationwide.

Those rednecks are hard to kill off, ain't they?

And Trump Bashing fatigue has set in, because there is no there there.
www.youtube.com/embed/k-RtCtD-p7E

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Rednecks don't have the influence, money, and power of swarmy DC elites.

Neither do folks living on the coasts. btw---how funny was it for Matt Schlapp to complain about "elites" mocking him?? Has he looked in a mirror lately? I guess he was too busy buying his $3MM vacation home.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Meanwhile, the Dems are losing the Millenials, and in the past few months have seen a double digit lead vanish nationwide.

Well, AZ-08 sure disagrees with you. Republicans underperformed by ~20 pts there in a race with no unusual circumstances. It's all old white Sun City folks and Dems still almost won.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Those rednecks are hard to kill off, ain't they?

And Trump Bashing fatigue has set in, because there is no there there.

We'll see, won't we. Trump just leaked a bunch of questions HIS lawyers wrote and lied saying that Mueller wrote them and leaked them. It seems Mueller threatened to subpoena him and then he relented on the interview request. He supposedly is obsessed with Cohen investigation. Personally, I think he's too dim to collude with Russia, but it's entirely possible that Russia was blackmailing him.

I just hope Mueller slow plays this enough to make it draw into the midterms

Aphroman says

And yet, with all that control, all they can do is whinge about how everything is ruined because the liberals ruined it all, and the liberal media is keeping them from doing anything to fix all the problems. Strange how they are so powerless to act, even when they hold all the power. I wonder why that is

Nothing accomplished?

Tax Cuts
Supreme Court Appointment
Lowest Unemployment in 20 years
Lowest Black, Hispanic, Female Unemployment in US History
Rescinded Title XI guidance letter (HUGE)
Refugee influx down to a fraction of 2016 levels
Border Crossings down 70%.
Rescinded Coal and Oil exploitation bans
Liberated Americans from Prisons in Egypt and North Korea, Obama let them rot
Massive Stock market gains
Peace Talks between Koreas and US
Reciprocal Tariffs
"Muslim Ban"
Suing Sanctuary States
Corporate Socialist Obamney Care dismantled
ISIS ("JV Team") all but obliterated
Jerusalem recognized as the Capital of Israel
Kate's Law passed
Nixed DACA
GDP Growth above 3% (Will Never Happen Again, said pundits)
NAFTA Renegotiations started (The Canadians and Mexicans are fighting for FEWER North American Parts, which is what is taking so long)

That's with most of the Press, Democrats, Academia, Corporations, and a good solid third of the Republicans against him.

LeonDurham says

Let's see--Trump tweeted it.

Since when is calling a liar, a liar smug?

Just read through his tweets and the closest thing he said is "Put dinner to rest or start over".

This is all fun for the left, until someone gets pissed and removes statues of someone they like.

LeonDurham says

Besides the fact that the NRA depends on money laundering funding from Russians... Not sure that's something to brag about.

Good grief this is dumb.

LeonDurham says

Well, AZ-08 sure disagrees with you. Republicans underperformed by ~20 pts there in a race with no unusual circumstances. It's all old white Sun City folks and Dems still almost won.

Sorry, that's a Fake News. The Dems were claiming they'd win the seat back. As they have in most of these special elections. Is it 2-8 now or 3-9? I forget. Remember GA-6?

Presidential Races aren't Congressional Races. And it's winner take all, so losing by 4 pts is still losing, big time. And state legislative runs, especially in the handful of Deep Blue jerrymandered districts, is a nothing burger. The Republicans are so dominant on the State level they can only lose seats at this point.

Like I told whatshis face, incumbent-free special mid-term year elections are a really bad gauge of support, and Democrats aren't exactly cleaning up everywhere.

LeonDurham says

lol--clearly every historian doesn't believe that a statue is history. I doubt hardly any do.

You haven't listed a single historian who supports your view, just saying they do doesn't mean shit.

Museums are places where history is on display right? Places like the Smithsonian? Let's take a look at their list of historical artifacts...
https://historyexplorer.si.edu/artifacts

Whatta you know! On the first page there's a STATUE, that's on display as a historical artifact in one of the most prestigious museums in the world. Still sticking to your BS viewpoint?

What's the most important historical artifact from Easter Island? The Moai STATUES...
US House of Representatives collection of historical artifacts:
http://history.house.gov/Collection/Search?Classification=Historical+Artifacts&PreviousSearch=Search%2cHistorical+Artifacts%2cTitle&CurrentPage=11&SortOrder=Title&ResultType=Grid&Command=Prev

What's that I see, a trophy, something that has all the qualities of a STATUE. But it has writing, so maybe that's ok? I wonder if STATUES ever have any writing? Wait a minute...!?

Let's see what the definition of an artifact is:
An artifact (usually in American English) or artefact (British English) (from Latin phrase arte factum~ars skill + facere to make) is something made or given shape by man, such as a tool or a work of art, especially an object of archaeological interest.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Artifact_(archaeology)

Hmm... Something made or given shape by man, such as a tool or work of art. Sounds an awful lot like a STATUE, doesn't it?

You running your mouth on a forum is nothing new, blowhards have turned internet boards into unintelligible piles of refuse for decades. You actually believing you're doing anything more than trying to win an argument you are dead wrong about, that level of self-delusion might be.

LeonDurham says

NuttBoxer says

I guess we can throw out everything before written language as well, because according to you, it's not history. And what if the language isn't readable, like how many people know hieroglyphs? Not history either apparently.

Please don't try to put words in my mouth. If you would like to know what I think, just ask me.

LeonDurham says

Pretty sure that history is more properly written in books or essays.

What about you putting words in your own mouth?

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Sorry, that's a Fake News. The Dems were claiming they'd win the seat back. As they have in most of these special elections. Is it 2-8 now or 3-9? I forget. Remember GA-6?

That's complete BS. No Dems were saying they were going to win the seat back. Everyone knew that was virtually impossible in that district. It's a +25 R district.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Presidential Races aren't Congressional Races. And it's winner take all, so losing by 4 pts is still losing, big time. And state legislative runs, especially in the handful of Deep Blue jerrymandered districts, is a nothing burger. The Republicans are so dominant on the State level they can only lose seats at this point.

No kidding. And Dems over performing by 17 pts in race after race is going to equal a LOT of winner take all wins in the midterms.


TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Like I told whatshis face, incumbent-free special mid-term year elections are a really bad gauge of support, and Democrats aren't exactly cleaning up everywhere.

Actually they are an excellent predictor of mid terms. Data has proven this.

NuttBoxer says

You haven't listed a single historian who supports your view, just saying they do doesn't mean shit.

Just like you haven't listed a single historian who supports your view. So, I guess your posts don't mean shit.


NuttBoxer says

Museums are places where history is on display right? Places like the Smithsonian? Let's take a look at their list of historical artifacts...
https://historyexplorer.si.edu/artifacts

lol--not all museums. Art museums show art.

NuttBoxer says

What's the most important historical artifact from Easter Island? The Moai STATUES...

Yep--it's an artifact. Not history. Nobody looks at that statue and learns the history of Easter Island.

NuttBoxer says

Let's see what the definition of an artifact is:

Yep--an artifact isn't history either. This is getting ridiculous.

NuttBoxer says

You running your mouth on a forum is nothing new, blowhards have turned internet boards into unintelligible piles of refuse for decades. You actually believing you're doing anything more than trying to win an argument you are dead wrong about, that level of self-delusion might be.

And again with the insults. Can you not write a post without them? It's typically the mark of someone who has a losing case.

LeonDurham says

That's complete BS. No Dems were saying they were going to win the seat back. Everyone knew that was virtually impossible in that district. It's a +25 R district.

But local Democrats say they believe they're in the middle of a political sea change that will turn Arizona into a midterm battleground and marquee presidential swing state.
"I believe, bottom-line, we can win," said Felecia Rotellini, the Arizona Democratic Party chairwoman.
It's an admission Democrats elsewhere have been hesitant to make in a series of House special elections in deep-red districts over the last year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/arizona-democrats-house-special-election/index.html
"Everybody knew", just not the AZ Dem Party head, eh?

LeonDurham says

No kidding. And Dems over performing by 17 pts in race after race is going to equal a LOT of winner take all wins in the midterms.

Presidential Elections aren't Congressional special elections with no incumbent running. The opposition party almost always does better in off-year elections, especially off-year elections.

LeonDurham says

Actually they are an excellent predictor of mid terms. Data has proven this.

Hillary has a 90% chance of winning, NYT and the Genius Never Wrong Cohen, morning of Election Day 2016.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

But local Democrats say they believe they're in the middle of a political sea change that will turn Arizona into a midterm battleground and marquee presidential swing state.
"I believe, bottom-line, we can win," said Felecia Rotellini, the Arizona Democratic Party chairwoman.
It's an admission Democrats elsewhere have been hesitant to make in a series of House special elections in deep-red districts over the last year.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/05/politics/arizona-democrats-house-special-election/index.html
"Everybody knew", just not the AZ Dem Party head, eh?

My lord--they asked someone on the campaign if they thought they could win and they didn't answer "NO, we have no shot in hell??" Give me a break. Get in the real world.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Presidential Elections aren't Congressional special elections with no incumbent running. The opposition party almost always does better in off-year elections, especially off-year elections.

Yep, that is true, and is one of the reasons why Dems will do well in November.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Hillary has a 90% chance of winning, NYT and the Genius Never Wrong Cohen, morning of Election Day 2016.

Blah, blah, blah. Is that all you have?

I forgot--polls are all wrong. Unless they say good things. Then they're right.