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LeonDurham says

"When Chiefs safety Husain Abdullah picked off Tom Brady and returned it for a touchdown, he said a quick prayer.
But unlike Tim Tebow doing the same thing when he got to the end zone, Abdullah was flagged."

This isn't hard to follow. Let me try again:

There wasn't any regulation until AFTER Tebow, when the NFL put in rules on religious expression on the field.

It was Left Wing criticism of "Mixing Religion with the National Pasttime" over Tebow that got the NFL to do that.

When Abdullah did so AFTER the new rules were in place, Lefties whinged "Muh Islam!" when the NFL imposed the penalties.

But let a Hard Left Castro Supporting player disrespect the Flag of the Taxpayers who Subsidize the Sport, and the Left has a shit fit.

So, yes, the Left are hypocrites.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

There wasn't any regulation until AFTER Tebow, when the NFL put in rules on religious expression on the field.

Except religious celebrations were allowed so that pretty much kills your narrative. Tebow wasn't penalized as I posted earlier.

Seriously--did you read the article? Tebow WASN'T penalized after the rules were in place. Abdullah WAS. Some Muslims (not "the left") asked why the double standard and the NFL agreed and allowed praying just like it allowed Tebow's celebration.

So, the only hypocrites are Trump supporters. Again.

FortWayne says

Liberals tend to forget this one conveniently...

Inconvenient Truth strikes back

No, Liberals know fact from fiction.

Trump supporters never do.

LeonDurham says

FortWayne says

Liberals tend to forget this one conveniently...

Inconvenient Truth strikes back

No, Liberals know fact from fiction.

Trump supporters never do.

Apparently not.

CovfefeButDeadly says

krc says

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

So non quantifiable fairy tales.

Ok.

CovfefeButDeadly says

Apparently not.

CovfefeButDeadly says

krc says

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

So non quantifiable fairy tales.

Ok.

lol--which "fact" do you suppose krc is getting wrong.

LeonDurham says

Except religious celebrations were allowed so that pretty much kills your narrative. Tebow wasn't penalized as I posted earlier.

I guess I need to repeat myself yet again.

When Tebow was kneeling for Jesus, mostly around 2011, there were no NFL restrictions on end zone praying.

AFTER, key word after.
After after after like in after shave or afterburn
AFTER
AFTER
AFTER Tebow

The NFL adopted broader and firmed restrictions on striking poses on the field, sometime around 2013.

Because of the "Don't mix religion and National Pasttime" complaints from the Left. Like this one:
https://deadspin.com/5861845/a-guide-to-determining-your-stance-on-tim-tebow

THEN, that is AFTER The NFL strengthened enforcement on end-zone "celebrations" were in place, THEN Abdullah did his Muslim thing. When the Refs went to apply the new more stringent rule for the first time, the same people who bitched about Tebow's kneeling, screamed "Muh Islam!" over Abdullah, and the NFL refused to back the Refs.

And then, of course, the same Left that wanted Tebow to stop his kneeling for Jesus, fought for Kopernick's kneeling for Castro.

NCAA banned Eyeblack Messages in 2010 because players began putting bible verses on them that triggered Leftists.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/346014-tim-tebow-rule-the-ncaa-bans-eye-black-messages

Nobody complains about the NBA rules that require players to line up for the national anthem, each and every dame game, no exceptions, no hiding in the locker room.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I guess I need to repeat myself yet again.

When Tebow was kneeling for Jesus, mostly around 2011, there were no NFL restrictions on end zone praying.

AFTER, key word after.
After after after like in after shave or afterburn
AFTER
AFTER
AFTER Tebow

The NFL adopted broader and firmed restrictions on striking poses on the field, sometime around 2013.

Except the restrictions WOULD NOT HAVE AFFECTED TEBOW

Your entire premise is bullshit. It's all BS.

The only player to get penalized for a religious celebration was Muslim. You have it exactly backwards.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

THEN, that is AFTER The NFL strengthened enforcement on end-zone "celebrations" were in place, THEN Abdullah did his Muslim thing. When the Refs went to apply the new more stringent rule for the first time, the same people who bitched about Tebow's kneeling, screamed "Muh Islam!" over Abdullah, and the NFL refused to back the Refs.

Seriously read up on the rules. You are completely wrong on this.

Like spectacularly wrong.

The rule says nothing about religion. Guys get penalized for pretending to do jump shots. Or snow angels.

Praying is now and has always been allowed.

LeonDurham says

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I guess I need to repeat myself yet again.

When Tebow was kneeling for Jesus, mostly around 2011, there were no NFL restrictions on end zone praying.

AFTER, key word after.
After after after like in after shave or afterburn
AFTER
AFTER
AFTER Tebow

The NFL adopted broader and firmed restrictions on striking poses on the field, sometime around 2013.

Except the restrictions WOULD NOT HAVE AFFECTED TEBOW

Your entire premise is bullshit. It's all BS.

The only player to get penalized for a religious celebration was Muslim. You have it exactly backwards.

Wrong. The regulation was updated BECAUSE of Tebow, to limit to a few seconds (3?) any demonstrations in the end zone.

And the eyeblack ban was definitely in response to biblical message

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Wrong. The regulation was updated BECAUSE of Tebow, to limit to a few seconds (3?) any demonstrations in the end zone.

And the eyeblack ban was definitely in response to biblical message

Nope. You are wrong. Please show any source to support the NFL change had anything to do with Tebow or religion.

http://www.businessinsider.com/nfl-cracking-down-on-choreographed-celebrations-2016-9
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2016/10/07/the-dos-and-donts-of-nfl-celebrations/

from the 2nd article:

Here’s what’s allowed: (1) dancing that is not sexually suggestive; (2) celebrations with teammates that are not choreographed; (3) spiking the ball, as long as it’s not directed at an opponent; (4) spinning the ball, as long as it’s not directed to an opponent; (5) bowing to the crowd; (6) saluting; ) going to the ground in prayer; (8) the “Lambeau Leap”; and (9) handing the ball to the official.

Here's an article from 2013 detailing the changes. There is absolutely no reference to Tebow or religion at all:

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/08/07/nfl-clarifies-celebration-rules-for-2013/

The NFL did the right thing and the players should be happy they can stay in the hallway/lockers for the anthem. Fucking media whore hypocrites now running running around whining "oh it's like denying Martin Luther King the passage over the bridge he was crossing during his protest yada yada". This has exactly zero to do with MLK and is actually an insult to MLK. MLK didn't get paid millions of dollars by his employer to do work (play football), he was protesting racial injustice in his free time, in fact he made it his mission and is rightfully remembered for his cause. The NFL players are free to do so as well, but not during the games when working for their employer. Don't care much about the NFL but it's only logical they don't get signed. They should shove their phony lawsuits up their asses.

LeonDurham says

Nope. You are wrong. Please show any source to support the NFL change had anything to do with Tebow or religion.

You think the NFL is gonna come out and say "We changed the rules to stop future Christians from giving thanks to Jesus in the endzone"

Hell No.

So they toughened the rules on "Pre Planned Celebrations".
mell says

The NFL did the right thing and the players should be happy they can stay in the hallway/lockers for the anthem. Fucking media whore hypocrites now running running around whining "oh it's like denying Martin Luther King the passage over the bridge he was crossing during his protest yada yada". This has exactly zero to do with MLK and is actually an insult to MLK. MLK didn't get paid millions of dollars by his employer to do work (play football), he was protesting racial injustice in his free time, in fact he made it his mission and is rightfully remembered for his cause. The NFL players are free to do so as well, but not during the games when working for their employer. Don't care much about the NFL but it's only logical they don't get signed. They should shove their phony lawsuits up their asses.

Exactly. The same exact people whinging about John 6:14 eyeblack and Trebow's prayers and demanding NFL action to "de-religionize" Football are the exact same people saying disrespecting the anthem is nothing and that Millionaire Players' expressing fringe political beliefs on Company Time is sacred.

LeonDurham says

CovfefeButDeadly says

Apparently not.

CovfefeButDeadly says

krc says

krc says
We all understand that the "kneeling" in public during a football game is to get attention paid to an issue where it would be ignored otherwi

CovfefeButDeadly says
What issue would that be?

FYI
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000691077/article/colin-kaepernick-explains-why-he-sat-during-national-anthem

So non quantifiable fairy tales.

Ok.

lol--which "fact" do you suppose krc is getting wrong.

There is no facts offered! Which is why you put the word fact in quotations I suppose.

Feux Follets says

There would not be an "issue" if the people kneeling were white would there ?

Of course there would be.

BayArea says

Feux Follets says

There would not be an "issue" if the people kneeling were white would there ?

Of course there would be.

Interesting, as hard as I look, I don't see a single person kneeling during the national anthem at NASCAR races. There certainly is a hell of a lot more people on pit road than there is on the sidelines of a NFL game. Surely you would expect a few kneelers, right?




Hmmm, why aren't there any people kneeling in those pictures?

and for bonus points, many even have their hands on their hearts!! They must really hate America, right?

Feux Follets says

When it comes to Colin Kaepernick’s continuing protest, everyone’s on the same page about one thing: choosing not to stand for the national anthem is a recognizable sign of protest. It only makes sense as a statement because standing is customary.

He can protest in his free time, not at work. The NFL has ruled. The case is closed.

Feux Follets says

The History of the National Anthem in Sports.

So, Futbol Games - do they have the national anthems of the respective countries?

Of course they do.
www.youtube.com/embed/m4SKLsWXaqI

I thought all the Lefties wanted us to be more like Europe.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I thought all the Lefties wanted us to be more like Europe.

There's a debate right now in Germany because oezil is never singing the anthem despite being in the national team forever. Note though he is standing tall for it. Sounds like nobody feels like kneeling over there. Suck it kaepernick.

I can't take the Germans Standing for the Anthem! Fascist Europe! Stop the Fascism of having Anthems at Sports!
www.youtube.com/embed/21OylbuzXMg

Whether it's Poor Country's Football or American Football, we should substitute those FASCIST! AGGRESSIVE! REACTIONARY! Anthems for this!www.youtube.com/embed/ozwO_HX8rf8
!!!Fascist Fucks!!!! Sports already endorse Capitalist Adventurism!

Feux Follets says

all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and

is this what the NFL players were doing?

Feux Follets says

Infraction

Ahh, so that's what those NFL payers were doing... we're making progress...

Feux Follets says

Notice any minorities in the crowd on pit row ?

Look at that, we're even getting closer to the problem... just a few more hints where the issue truly lies...

Feux Follets says

Sniper says

Interesting, as hard as I look, I don't see a single person kneeling during the national anthem at NASCAR races

Watch them all now do you especially the anthem part ? Not much into NASCAR myself let alone to make sure I would catch the Anthem before each one just to see who is doing what.

Yep, I do watch them all. Plus, I was doing a comparison between the players in each sport, you know, those tough guys on the NFL sidelines versus those non-athletes on pit road. Sorry if this comparison escapes you.

Sniper says

Interesting, as hard as I look, I don't see a single person kneeling during the national anthem at NASCAR races. There certainly is a hell of a lot more people on pit road than there is on the sidelines of a NFL game. Surely you would expect a few kneelers, right?

Interesting that you mention NASCAR. How are the ratings doing for those American Patriots that stand for the national anthem??

http://www.sportsmediawatch.com/2018/03/nascar-ratings-las-vegas-record-low/



Maybe the fake patriotism is pissing people off? Maybe the drivers should start kneeling to get better ratings?

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

So, Futbol Games - do they have the national anthems of the respective countries?

Of course they do.

Are you comparing World Cup games where the players are representing their countries with NFL games?

https://the18.com/soccer-news/why-europe-doesnt-play-national-anthems-before-matches

LeonDurham says

Interesting that you mention NASCAR. How are the ratings doing for those American Patriots that stand for the national anthem??

LeonDurham says

Maybe the fake patriotism is pissing people off? Maybe the drivers should start kneeling to get better ratings?

Has nothing to do with national anthem.

NASCAR has turned to shit. This is what happens when a business is turned over to the spoiled, Special Snowflakes to run after their parents had it running very successfully.

Feux Follets says

Notice any minorities in the crowd on pit row ?

Liberals are strange, they like to decide what is the right amount of race/gender/ethnic background... amount that should be present at any given event. Yet they think they stand for freedom lol.

Sniper says

NASCAR has turned to shit. This is what happens when a business is turned over to the spoiled, Special Snowflakes to run after their parents had it running very successfully.

How is Nascar a sport?

TURN LEFT... TURN LEFT.... TURN LEFT..... TURN LEFT.... I rest my case.

FortWayne says

Feux Follets says

Notice any minorities in the crowd on pit row ?

Liberals are strange, they like to decide what is the right amount of race/gender/ethnic background... amount that should be present at any given event. Yet they think they stand for freedom lol.

Yeah. Next thing is do you know how many lgbtq+-xyz people were in the crowd?no? Well then it's not representative! Lol

Sniper says

Has nothing to do with national anthem.

NASCAR has turned to shit. This is what happens when a business is turned over to the spoiled, Special Snowflakes to run after their parents had it running very successfully.

Ah, yes, I forgot Trumpkins logic again.

NFL ratings down--due to national anthem protests.
NASCAR ratings down (more)--due to poor management.

LeonDurham says

Are you comparing World Cup games where the players are representing their countries with NFL games?

Yep.

What happens if a Soccer Player refuses to stand for an anthem - regardless of whose it is?

LeonDurham says

Ah, yes, I forgot Trumpkins logic again.

NFL ratings down--due to national anthem protests.
NASCAR ratings down (more)--due to poor management.

Yes, you're finally learning the correct logic:

NFL viewership down and study suggests it’s over protests
While the NFL attributes the decline in ratings to the presidential race, a study conducted by Rasmussen Reports shows otherwise. Approximately 1,000 American adults participated in a telephone questionnaire on Oct. 2-3 that revealed nearly one-third (32 percent) are “less likely to watch an NFL game” due to players taking a stand and protesting the national anthem. Thirteen percent want to watch a game because of the protests.
https://theundefeated.com/features/nfl-viewership-down-and-study-suggests-its-over-protests/

NASCAR Fans Are Racing Away From The Sport Even Faster
NASCAR has changed its rules so many times to gin up competition that the show seems contrived. The most preposterous innovation was to divide races into “stages,” where points are awarded after each segment and the cars are bunched back up and then restarted. Fans grumble that there are, or seem to be, more advertisements wedged into a telecast. So there is no continuity, no unspooling of the narrative thread.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/davecaldwell/2018/05/02/stock-car-fans-continue-racing-away-from-nascar/#2e910ab51df5

Stay tuned, the Trumpkins will teach you even more FACTS and LOGIC.

Look at this Canadian Militarism.
www.youtube.com/embed/Hm9VJ-Kk4pM

I'm appalled at this Raw Display of Aggressive Canuckistani Supremacy.

More disgusting Canadian Supremacy.
www.youtube.com/embed/S0vjIXaeCFw

Sniper says

Stay tuned, the Trumpkins will teach you even more FACTS and LOGIC.

lol-so now polls are facts and logic?

The hypocrisy of Trump supporters knows no bounds.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

Yep.

What happens if a Soccer Player refuses to stand for an anthem - regardless of whose it is?

They don't play the national anthem at non-World Cup games in Europe, so the question is moot.