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Goran_K says

More truth you mean?

Nope. I had it right.

LeonDurham says

Nope. I had it right.

Blue wave!

LeonDurham says

These people are fighting an authoritarian leader.

Dont think you understand what authoritarian means. Prove me wrong I guess...who is the authoritarian and what has he done to acquire this label from you?

CBOEtrader says

Dont think you understand what authoritarian means. Prove me wrong I guess...who is the authoritarian and what has he done to acquire this label from you?

Yes, I'd also like to know how Trump is MORE authoritarian than say Obama.

CBOEtrader says

Dont think you understand what authoritarian means. Prove me wrong I guess...who is the authoritarian and what has he done to acquire this label from you?

I believe this is against the rules too.

CBOEtrader says

who is the authoritarian and what has he done to acquire this label from you?

From https://www.psychologistworld.com/influence-personality/authoritarian-personality

Blind allegiance to conventional beliefs about right and wrong
Respect for submission to acknowledged authority
Belief in aggression toward those who do not subscribe to conventional thinking, or who are different
A negative view of people in general - i.e. the belief that people would all lie, cheat or steal if given the opportunity
A need for strong leadership which displays uncompromising power
A belief in simple answers and polemics - i.e. The media controls us all or The source of all our problems is the loss of morals these days.
Resistance to creative, dangerous ideas. A black and white worldview.
A tendency to project one's own feelings of inadequacy, rage and fear onto a scapegoated group
A preoccupation with violence and sex

From Trump's well known requirement of anyone who works for him to vow blind allegiance to him, to his relentless attacks on the media, to his black and white thinking, etc. etc., he is clearly an authoritarian personality. This was well known early in the primary campaign:

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/01/donald-trump-2016-authoritarian-213533

It’s been zapped, thank you very much! Some people so whiny...

Goran_K says

Quigley is not a repeat offender usually, like you tatupu, or Aprhoman. He usually follows the rules hence his comments are not going automatically into moderation like you or Aphro occasionally.

Awesome. OK--I'll keep reposting the offenses then so you can see who are the real repeat offenders.

Another headline that in no way reflects the reality of what is being discussed. Why do so many right wingers communicate like this?

LeonDurham says

CBOEtrader says

Dont think you understand what authoritarian means. Prove me wrong I guess...who is the authoritarian and what has he done to acquire this label from you?

I believe this is against the rules too.

No, it’s not. Answer the question instead of running to hide from it! You haven’t presented a single cogent argument in this entire thread!

Quigley says

No, it’s not. Answer the question instead of running to hide from it! You haven’t presented a single cogent argument in this entire thread!

Maybe I need a primer on the rule then.

Saying--"you don't understand what authoritarian means" seems be a problem to me.

Quigley says

You haven’t presented a single cogent argument in this entire thread!

Another one for Goran. I'm sure he missed this one too.

Aphroman says

I’m curious what your definition of Authoritarian is, if you don’t seem to think Trump is purely Authoritarian. He worships all the shitty Authoritarian leaders from other countries as well

Okay, so layout your case as to why you believe that.

Feux Follets says

Got all that out of a BIll Maher rant now did you ?

Where do you see any admissions of anything ?

Let's hope the economy isn't running like a well oiled Chrysler product V-8 engine. Gotta love those Chrysler products and the fools who buy them.

Why does it have to be a V-8 engine by the way ?

Do you own a V8 engine? I'm talking about a real american high displacement V8. Nothing sounds more beautiful riding down the highway.

Here's mine.


As for your other points, did you read what Bill Maher actually said? Why would he ask for a crash if the economy wasn't humming like a well oiled beautiful V8? Why would a crash help his team (the Democrats)?

Feux Follets says

Power seat etc. and sun roof but otherwise basic transportation ala Corolla.

My condolences . I would never drive such a vehicle but I commend you for your bravery.

Feux Follets says

Read it, ignored it and wrote it off as blather...

Lots of voters, especially those working class counties that gave Trump the presidency won't forget it as easily.

Feux Follets says

We shouldn't buy the most expensive whatever we can afford - we should buy the one that gives us the most value for our money.

I agree, people should buy what they can afford, and what gives them value. For me, I can't drive a compact shitbox because it's not comfortable for me and I can afford better very, very easily.

Feux Follets says

That works two ways of course. Also works with our allies - not the ones in Saudi Arabia, Israel, Turkey etc. - our real allies.

Seeing as how I am currently residing in middle America they are not forgetting all of the broken promises that really matter - talk only goes so far.

Our allies have no say in our elections, don't give a shit what they think, especially the "allies" expecting us to foot all of their bills.

As for working class counties in middle America, they've made their opinions heard, I don't need anecdotal hearsay.

LeonDurham says

authoritarian personality.

I do hope you understand the difference between an "authoritarian personality" and an actual authoritarian ruler. Lots of 2 year olds have authoritarian personalities, not so many todler authoritarian dictators.

Also, any psychologist who suggests they can diagnose Trump from the news is a professional joke.

Goran_K says

As for working class counties in middle America, they've made their opinions heard, I don't need anecdotal hearsay.

Have you somehow conflated working class counties with empty land?

Goran_K says

Here's mine.

This is what you'd call a fuck truck, cause, well... it helps w the ladies libitos

CBOEtrader says

I do hope you understand the difference between an "authoritarian personality" and an actual authoritarian ruler. Lots of 2 year olds have authoritarian personalities, not so many todler authoritarian dictators.

Thanks--I do.

Authoritarian personalities, when put in positions to rule, tend to be authoritarian rulers.

CBOEtrader says

Also, any psychologist who suggests they can diagnose Trump from the news is a professional joke.

And violating APA standards about diagnosing from afar.

In fact, labeling political opponents using psychological terms is a form of authoritarianism in and of itself.

Demanding loyalty was standard in leadership not long ago and still is.

Also our past administration was one of the most non transparent and secretive in US history with the all time record for whistle-blower prosecutions and very non communicative with the media

LeonDurham says

Have you somehow conflated working class counties with empty land?

I hope Democrats continue to think those counties are just "empty land". #Trump2020

CBOEtrader says

This is what you'd call a fuck truck, cause, well... it helps w the ladies libitos

I get a boner from not being susceptible to being "Climate" shamed.

Goran_K says

I hope Democrats continue to think those counties are just "empty land". #Trump2020

Me too. The race will be decided in the suburbs. Where working class people actually live.

Aphroman says

what your definition of Authoritarian is

An authoritarian is a leader who grabs and wields power beyond those granted to him by the democratic process and constitution.

Every POTUS of our lifetime has crossed the authoritarian line with some of their worse decisions, such as wars (Bush and Obama) AND expanding the Orwellian surveillance system (every POTUS of our lifetime but especially Bush and Obama).

Only the libertarians who want a constitutionally limited POTUS seem to care about authoritarianism. The D's and R's turn a blind eye whenever their team is leading. Obama was as authoritarian as a POTUS gets, for example. Almost no D called him out.

LeonDurham says

Me too. The race will be decided in the suburbs. Where working class people actually live.

Okay, good luck with that.



That represents over 1,000 elected seats. Guess we'll find out in November!

LeonDurham says

Authoritarian personalities, when put in positions to rule, tend to be authoritarian rulers.

Personality is subjective. Trump certainly has plenty of bizarre quirks.

Authoritarian rulers do actual tangible authoritarian things. If Trump is an authoritarian, what has he done?

Noone gives AF about subjective opinions of Trumps personality.

Goran_K says

Okay, good luck with that.

Historically the party of POTUS always takes a few steps back after winning POTUS election. This year may be an anomaly due to massive revealed D corruption. A large part of the D base left after it was discovered they steal primaries. Today's D's similar to R's in 2006. The base no longer trusts the leadership. Either the D's will reinvent themselves or they will splinter, just like the R's over last 10 years.

Prdiction: in POTUS 2024 election the successful D candidates will openly criticize the failure of clinton and the D establishment very much like Trump criticized the failed R establishment. (Can McCain die already?)

Goran_K says

CBOEtrader says

This is what you'd call a fuck truck, cause, well... it helps w the ladies libitos

I get a boner from not being susceptible "Climate" shamed.

Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.

CBOEtrader says

Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.

Anytime someone uses their virtue signaling to try and come at me, usually someone who has no fighting skill or physical athleticism, I seriously want to punch their teeth out. I respect your restraint.

CBOEtrader says

Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.

I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

CBOEtrader says

Was lectured at a party last weekend by a dude who flies around the world to go scuba diving, for not driving a hybrid or some soyboy ride.

I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.

Yeah that's another issue. Plus few container ships running on crap all year produce more pollutants than all the cars combined. But as long as you can virtue signal you're dandy.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.

Source? No offense, but usually when one says "I heard" what follows is BS.

I'm seeing 715 kg of CO2 for a flight from Chicago to London.

And 50,000 lbs typical household CO2 emissions.

Seems like you're off by a factor of 100 or so.

Feux Follets says

Tell all that from Nevada huh ?

Uh, no, that's an electoral map of the United States.

I said we should not buy the most expensive anything we can afford - we should buy what gives us the most value.

The virtue signaling of personal immense financial resources sounds a lot like a certain duck that used to be here.

That's what I said, I never brought up buying the "most expensive" , that's what a certain duck would do. I'm saying what you can afford (as in, you aren't taking a 30 year loan to buy it), and fits the requirements of what you need. A Corolla doesn't work for me because I hate compact cars (I spent years in Asia driving them).

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.

You're off by a factor of 100 as I detailed in a post that a moderator somehow found offensive.

Feux Follets says

No shit. Things have changed in the hearts of minds of people since 2016 as the promises made are not being kept especially the ones on good jobs

Is that a guess, personal desire, or are you basing that on any data?

Feux Follets says

Not the same. Buying what gives the best value vs what someone can afford are not the same.

Not what I was trying to say, you dishonestly cut my quote down to fit your narrative. Regardless, I don't care enough to continue the discussion. Good luck with your compact.

TwoScoopsOfDragonEnergy says

I heard that One international flight = a year's Western household use in CO2 emissions.

I'll try again. That is incorrect and off by a factor of 100

LeonDurham says

Source? No offense, but usually when one says "I heard" what follows is BS.

I'm seeing 715 kg of CO2 for a flight from Chicago to London.

And 50,000 lbs typical household CO2 emissions.

Seems like you're off by a factor of 100 or so.

Not a factor of 100.

According to the World Bank, the average American generated about 16.4 metric tons of carbon dioxide in 2013; according to some calculations, a round-trip flight from New York to San Francisco emits about 0.9 metric tons of carbon dioxide per person. For an American, that represents about one-eighteenth of your carbon emissions for the year.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/27/climate/airplane-pollution-global-warming.html

"I heard" != I read somewhere, not "I'm dying on this hill".

But that being said, NYT article confirms the basic premise and the point stands.

A flight from SFBO to Rio via Panama?

Your flight:
From: San Francisco (US), SFO to: Rio de Janeiro (BR), RIO via: PFN, Panama City, FL [International Airport]A, US, Roundtrip, Economy Class, ca. 21,800 km, 4 travellers
CO2 amount: 16.4 t
https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=1187217

So one family trip to Rio from SFBA with a single stop halfway = entire output of an American over an entire year.

In the example given by CBOE Trader, if a liberal takes 4 international trips a year, it's equivalent to about the same CO2 emission of an average American over an entire year.

Therefore Bragging about driving a hybrid while taking multiple international or frequent transcontinental flights is just virtue signaling.

Three Single Passenger International Trips to Asia = Entire Average American's yearly CO2 emissions:
https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=1187235

Four Transcontinental Flights = Half of an American's Yearly CO2 Emissions.
https://co2.myclimate.org/en/portfolios?calculation_id=1187238
So if you've got a hybrid but fly cross country several times a year, it more than cancels out. Frankly one or two trips cancels it out, and those aren't international flights.