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Summing up Patnetters thoughts on the Historic Trump/Kim Summit

By marcus following x   2018 Jun 12, 7:47pm 325 views   14 comments   watch   sfw   quote     share    


1   CBOEtrader   ignore (2)   2018 Jun 12, 9:44pm   ↑ like (3)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

What a cute little monkey.

(Bush also deeply afflicted w TDS)
2   Feux Follets   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 2:43am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (1)   quote        

A comment on Balance

In a generally good article on how Trump got nothing out of Kim in Singapore, David Nakamura, Philip Rucker, Anna Fifield, and Anne Gearan make a false claims “Deals reached between Washington and Pyongyang under Presidents Bill Clinton, George W. Bush and Barack Obama collapsed after North Korea conducted additional missile and nuclear tests.”

This implies in particular that the deal reached between Washington and Pyongyang under President Bill Clinton collapsed after North Korea conducted additional missile and nuclear tests. which is a totally false claim. the deal reached under Clinton collapsed when Bush decided to abandon it, because North Korea had bought centrifuges from Pakistan. Bush said this meant that the fact that spent nuclear fuel contaning plutonium was under seal was irrelevant, since N Korea would just enrich uranium.

Later, after N Korea broke the seals and began extracting plutonium, he declared that N Korean exploration of possibly enriching uranium was no big deal & they were going back to the deal. Then N Korea tested a nuclear bomb.

The known facts are totally consistent with the possibility that the Clinton – Kim Jong Il agreement would have lasted and prevented N Korea from developing a bomb if Bush hadn’t treated Clinton as Trump treats Obama.

In any case, the assertion of historical fact made by Nakamura, Rucker, Fifield, and Gearan is undeniably false. It shows a determination to give a Ballanced assessment of Clinton and Bush even if the facts are different — N Korea detonated at least once nuclear device while Bush, Obama and Trump were president and did not detonate a nuclear device while Clinton was president. This is a relevant fact which is contradicted by their false claim which was clearly made to Ballance the very different cases of Clinton and Bush

https://angrybearblog.com/2018/06/a-comment-on-ballance.html#more-45506
6   APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch   ignore (30)   2018 Jun 13, 7:33am   ↑ like (2)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Facts are just things you make up to make yourself look like a hero in a photo opportunity when you're not trying to fuck your daughter.
8   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 10:22am   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

I wonder if KimFuck gave the Great Orange One any cool tips on how to poison pesky adversaries and relatives with honey trap hookers.
9   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 4:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Hey lookie, Kims hands are even smaller than the Donalds.
10   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 4:24pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Sniper says


Somehow I'm guessing you didn't get the point of the OP (Bush with his "Mission Accomplished" banner ) . Or perhaps you did - trying to emphasize my point for me.
11   marcus   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 4:42pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

Let's recap,

1) After TRump becomes President, for some reason China flatters the hell out of Trump but simultaneously gives the the green light for Kim Jung Un to ramp up his nuke and missile testing.

2) This is a challenge to Trump's manhood, and actually the whole world considers it troubling, and provocative on Kim's part. Trump reacts with his subtle and low key diplomatic tweets, about fire and fury, and in one case saying something along the lines of my button is bigger than yours.

3) Eventually for a variety of reasons, including the deep concerns of South Korea and Japan, who both feel like pawns in a game being played out between two of the worlds scariest and craziest leaders, Trump seems willing to try to deal with Kim, you know, since he wrote the book on the art of the deal.

4) China suggests to Kim that "freeze for freeze" would be a good route to go. This is something that China has wanted for a long time, that is the U.S. slowly moving towards the U.S. pulling out of Korea.

5) Trump agrees to do a hugely symbolic meeting with Kim in which Kim is treated as being a leader on the same level as the U.S. President. And a vaguely worded deal comes out with the key aspect of the deal being that we will supposedly stop military training exercises with the South Koreans, in exchange for no more nuke and missile testing on the part of NK. No specifics are spelled out on either side. Trump referred to ending War Games, which might not even include other excercises, and as far as we know, the military was not clued in on what Trump was offering Kim.

So, in coming weeks and months we will have a better idea where this is headed. At least were' making nice with NK, sort of. That's good. Otherwise it's hard to see much that this really means. And yes, I would have been skeptical if it were Obama or Clinton. Although who knows, maybe defensinve becasue republicans would surely be saying this was BY FAR THE WORST MOST TERRIBLE DEAL EVER if Obama were involved.

Just as they have with the Iran deal, which according to most experts is WAY WAY better than nothing and Iran is holding up their end so far, in spite of the hate coming out of the Trump WH. Maybe Trump will have a change of heart about the Iran deal (unlikely) after his recent experiences in Quebec and Singapore. It turns out diplomacy is difficult.

Consensus bottom line: China wins bigly.

Let me guess. That's all part of the plan, so that Trump can turn to China and say, "THe whole world is saying you played me. How can you help me to save face ?"
12   joshuatrio   ignore (0)   2018 Jun 13, 5:01pm   ↑ like (0)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        

marcus says
Consensus bottom line: China wins bigly.


Lol... This again?
14   Ceffer   ignore (1)   2018 Jun 13, 6:22pm   ↑ like (1)   ↓ dislike (0)   quote        




That Trump is a great negotiator. Looks like KimFuck came up on the short end of the stick after all.




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