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marcus says

right wing

Very few right wingers here. Mostly libertarians.

You are displaying your leftist indoctrinated brainwashing. "Everyone who doesnt think like us is a nazi? Sounds reasonable."

@Marcus that's the 3rd time you've gone to ad hom instead of discuss the topic.

I am sorry you can't argue facts. Apparently neither can anyone who thinks Trump is a liar. Just paste hitpieces and walk off... lol so weak.

Step up, get behind a single lie, and let's discuss.

marcus says

You want to imply that the lies I gave you, ones people identified as his biggest lies don't stand up to scrutiny,

A list of lies from KNOWN left wing, radical, liberal websites don't stand up to scrutiny. Everyone of the links you posted above are known for their regular Hit Pieces on Trump and lean heavily to the radical left.

Maybe pick a neutral site, that might have some credibility with others here, otherwise it's just more TDS.

marcus says

I did a google search (or perhaps it was bing) of Patrick.net, and two highlighted member lists of posts were those of Rin and Sniper.

I just did a search, here is my results:



marcus says

This site has gone to hell.

Except, the search results are tied to your past search and browsing history, It's all saved, and served back up based on history...

What does that say about your surfing past?

CBOEtrader says

This Trump=liar meme has no credibility. This is proof propaganda works

No truer words have ever been spoken. They're not called "sheep" for no reason.

HEYYOU says

Where's comments 3,4 ,8,9,10,11,12,13,14?

Want to take a guess ?

Sniper says

Maybe pick a neutral site, that might have some credibility with others here, otherwise it's just more TDS.

Suggest one - or it's more Trump Delusional Syndrome other than just screaming fake news, TDS, etc..

Sniper says

They're not called "sheep" for no reason.

Been hanging around in a barn with Potus ?

CBOEtrader says

@Marcus that's the 3rd time you've gone to ad hom instead of discuss the topic.

Bothered to re-read some of the other comments on this thread before accusing someone else ?

CBOEtrader says

Exactly as the forum expected.

That someone from the Drumpf camp will scream TDS, Fake News, Hit Piece, Liberal etc. and mount a group attack like a pack of starved hyenas ?

Was totally expected from my perspective. Pretty much par for the course.

marcus says

Try it on bing

Gonna have to explain what that is so as not to get Drumpf supporters confused with "Tang" or similar....just sayin. Hell they might be running to the pantry on that one.

It's the default MS explorer or Edge browser.

Sniper says

The one owned by the Left wing, radical, Lefty, newspaper, The Tampa Bay Times?

Back up the allegations with something substantial....other than offering a personal assesment

Where are comments 3,4 ,8,9,10,11,12,13,14 ? Inquiring minds would like to know

CBOEtrader says

Very few right wingers here. Mostly libertarians.

OFMG - now that's a whopper

Sniper says

Everyone of the links you posted above are known for their regular Hit Pieces on Trump and lean heavily to the radical left.

Any examples of those regular "hit pieces" ?

What is the "radical left" ? Any examples ?

CBOEtrader says

Apparently neither can anyone who thinks Trump is a liar

This is a fun game isn't it ?

Someone is challenged to go and provide some back up to a challenge and when presented with something, the challenger and select company scream fake news, TDS, Hit Piece, Liberal Propaganda and on and on and on.

Simple games for simple minds and their is no shortage of simple minds amongst the Drumpf supporters on the forum.

marcus says

YOu can call the Washington post or the NYT liberal rags that write hit pieces on Trump, becasue they focus on his lies.

Nah, they just write hit pieces because they're a liberal rag that hates Trump. Why not call it like it is?

marcus says

Try it on bing

People actually use Bing? How cute!

Kakistocracy says

CBOEtrader says

Exactly as the forum expected.

That someone from the Drumpf camp

You, nor Marcus nor anyone else who says trump is a liar have so far chosen a single example to get behind.

I picked apart #1 from Marcus's list, with no response.

Why can none of you stick your neck out to show us Trump is a liar?

Kakistocracy says

Sniper says

The one owned by the Left wing, radical, Lefty, newspaper, The Tampa Bay Times?

Back up the allegations with something substantial....other than offering a personal assesment

Like this?



Damn, those Pesky facts again....

Kakistocracy says

Any examples of those regular "hit pieces" ?

Go to each of those links, why must I spell this out for the Liberals?


Kakistocracy says

What is the "radical left" ? Any examples ?

Kakistocracy says

This is a fun game isn't it ?

Certainly is, the panic in the Democrat land is very amusing, after all the smack downs they've received the past week or so. MAJOR TDS on display...

Best entertainment ever!!

Leftists, please fill in the blank:

Trump lied when he said "FILL YOUR ANSWER IN HERE".

Please then present any evidence to support above.

A TDS infested hit piece is not an argument.

Kakistocracy says

This is a fun game isn't it ?

Someone is challenged

No. It's sad that the people who scream Trump is a liar, can't get behind one lie. Not one single lie? Use your words and post one quote you feel is a huge Trump lie our of 3200 in the list I gave you?

The forum is waiting.

Sniper says

Nah, they just write hit pieces because they're a liberal rag that hates Trump. Why not call it like it is?

Why not - provide some proof of the allegations

CBOEtrader says

The forum is waiting.

Lets reboot - refute beyond a shawdow of a doubt the False 183 (32%) and Pants on Fire 84 (15%) statements/lies from Poltifact source or is that too much to ask.

This was conveniently brushed aside - why is that ?

The forum also awaits or are we in for another round of Fake News, TDS, etc. with help from starving hyenas (my apologies to the real hyenas)

Rightists, please fill in the blank:

Trump didn't lie when he said "FILL YOUR ANSWER IN HERE".

Please then present any evidence to support above.

Additionally please provide proof beyond any possible reasonable doubt said documents from Politifact etc. are TDS infested hit pieces. Details gentlemen (I use that term extremely loosely) Details...facts...not heresay or twitter pictures.

CBOEtrader says

No. It's sad that the people who scream Trump is a liar, can't get behind one lie. Not one single lie? Use your words and post one quote you feel is a huge Trump lie our of 3200 in the list I gave you? (this is actually a statement and does not require a question mark)

The forum is waiting.

See - this is a fun game. Someone gets to say something, someone else has a "gotcha" moment and then shouts down the answer with TDS, Fake News, Hit Piece without once offering anything substantial to back it up.

This game has been around a long long time on the forum...

Sniper says

Go to each of those links, why must I spell this out for the Liberals?

Sounds like personal bias based on heresay and nothing more than baseless allegations unless further proof is offered.

Lovely picture, anything other than that to back up the gibberish ?

Filling in for Two Scoops nowadays ?

Is this going to be another round of the hyenas answering for each other ?

Sniper says

Like this?



Damn, those Pesky facts again....

Not seeing anything unusual - care to fully expand on how this example of "facts" provides irrefutable evidence to back up the allegations ?

Kakistocracy says

See - this is a fun game.

If you have a valid lie, please quote Trump and explain why you think it's a lie.

It's an open invitation for dialogue not yet accepted once.

Kakistocracy says

Lets reboot - refute beyond a shawdow of a doubt the False 183 (32%) and Pants on Fire 84 (15%) statements/lies from Poltifact source or is that too much to ask.

Not how it works. Those making the assertion - that somebody is guilty of lying - are responsible for providing evidence.

TwoScoopsOfWompWomp says

Not how it works. Those making the assertion - that somebody is guilty of lying - are responsible for providing evidence.

There is plenty of evidence given with each pants on fire level lie. And aslo with some of the links I posted that were deleted. The funny thing is, that even among republicans that aren't totally dishonest dirtbags, Trump's lying, that is the fact that he lies constantly, in a totally different way than any other politician in modern times, about things both important and unimportant, is not a debatable topic.

I'm guessing that even TPB would agree that Trump is bullshitting constantly, constantly lying. That's why he likes him (correct me if I'm wrong).

You like it. Okay. His lying that is. CBOE wants to say it really isn't lying. OR he wants want to insist I talk about one specific lie. I've already seen two failed attempts to discredit two of his t very unimportant lies (that were totally 100% lies). If I thought he was capable of arguing about Trump in good faith, maybe I'd play.

I posted a page full of links to what various journalists risked their careers defining what they believed were Trumps biggest lies of 2017. I get it, maybe you think truth or verifiable facts are just ivory tower bullshit that those liberals in academia believe in. But in my world and fortunately the world of most halfway honest people, you don't get to totally lie about what's a lie, just becasue you're the New York Times. Or at least not without ruining your reputation with reality based folks.

marcus says

(that were totally 100% lies).

Trump estimating his inauguration had the largest audience in history is legit. Plenty of facts support the likelihood of this being true. https://variety.com/2017/digital/news/donald-trump-inauguration-twitters-live-stream-viewing-1201968128/ https://www.akamai.com/us/en/about/news/press/2017-press/inauguration-sets-record-for-live-video-streaming-of-news-event-on-akamai.jsp

The actual number is unknown, but the enormous increase in digital streaming could easily have Trump's inauguration as largest ever. Therefore: no rational person could suggest Trump lied by suggesting he thinks his total audience was largest ever.

I'm still waiting for you to offer a shred of evidence or engage in any fact whatsoever. You have so far neither offered nor countered, just thrown ad homs and generic hitpiece links.

marcus says

There is plenty of evidence given with each pants on fire level lie.

Great. Then you should have no problem choosing one and discussing it.

CBOEtrader says

Then you should have no problem choosing one and discussing it.

If something is widely accepted as fact, and you can easily spend 5 minutes evaluating that yourself, there's nothing to discuss. Twitter had a bigger news feed for the 2017 inauguration live streaming than the 2009 one ? Say it isn't so. Next thing you'll be telling me is that the typical person has a way better phone and data plans in 2017 than 2009.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/01/20/us/politics/trump-inauguration-crowd.html

Even if the one photo is a little early or something. The other from the other perspective is quite clear. Trumps wasn't the biggest. But he didn't say it was the biggest becasue he thought it was the biggest. I believe Trump knows the crowds were smaller than Obama's, and the reason he lied about it, is that his (Trumps) inauguration was surprisingly big. He was interested in making sure the media was talking about how big it was, and if it took some lying to accomplish his goal, then so be it. That's just how he rolls.

CBOEtrader says

Trump estimating his inauguration had the largest audience in history is legit

The disagreement was about the crowd size, not the audience. Maybe it morphed in to that but thats not what Spicer and Kelly Ann and Trump himself were called on lying about right after the inauguration.

But if you're going to play that game, of changing the lie to something else, can we talk about after OBama apologized for saying you can keep your doctor and clarified the reality of it, later that is ?

You win. You got me to argue about a lie neither of us give a flying fuck about.

marcus says

Even if the one photo is a little early or something. The other from the other perspective is quite clear. Trumps wasn't the biggest.

You are talking about .5% of the total estimate. No-one claimed the in person audience was the largest.marcus says

Twitter had a bigger news feed for the 2017 inauguration live streaming than the 2009 one ?

Ah ok, now we're getting somewhere. The increase in live streaming from many, many sources could have easily have resulted in a larger audience. I think the total estimate was around 60 - 70 million.

Also Trump added, "I think", noone ever said they know for certain.

To call this a lie is simplemided. It shows a willingness to believe misinterpretations. To believe these hit pieces is intellectually lazy.

Show me your evidence and prove me wrong.

marcus says

The disagreement was about the crowd size, not the audience.

Nope. Trump pointed out the crowd size was being purposely used as flawed model for total audience size. His message about biggest ever was very clearly about total worldwide audience.

I dont blame you for missing this nuance. This point specifically was lied about over and over again by the #fakenews. Thats why you have to go back to Trumps exact words or the video evidence. Otherwise its all tyrannical spin.

https://www.wsj.com/video/sean-spicer-on-crowd-size-for-trump-inaugural/7475F8F1-F24C-446A-9DDA-A34AA45199F5.html

Spicer very clearly goes over the online stats when responding to the "total audience" question. Spicer "I didnt say in-person. I said BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE." He answered the question with no uncertain terms that day.

Aphroman says

A Libertarian

A libertarian believes in individual freedom over group identity. The left is currently calling free speech proponents "extremists". Almost impossible for any libertarian to lean left in this environment.

CBOEtrader says

Spicer very clearly goes over the online stats when responding to the "total audience" question. Spicer "I didnt say in-person. I said BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE." He answered the question with no uncertain terms that day.

Wtf ?

What do you think both in person and around the globe means ?

That means he had the biggest audience in person, and that he also had the biggest audience around the globe (whatever that means).

marcus says

CBOEtrader says

Spicer very clearly goes over the online stats when responding to the "total audience" question. Spicer "I didnt say in-person. I said BOTH IN PERSON AND AROUND THE GLOBE." He answered the question with no uncertain terms that day.

Wtf ?

What do you think both in person and around the globe means ?

That means he had the biggest audience in person, and that he also had the biggest audience around the globe (whatever that means).

It means combined. He clarified w no uncertain terms. Watch the clip. Anyone suggesting he meant only in person audience is lying or misinformed (by design).