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mell says

No it means that the majority of women initiating those divorces were unfit for marriage and got baited by the advantageous divorce laws.

Says who. Says you? Can you say with certainty that that's what why majority of those women are initiating divorces?

just_dregalicious says

Evan F. says

So do you have kids?

No, I already answered that.

Then why in the Christ would anyone take anything you say about child rearing and/or marriage seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?

Evan F. says

mell says

No it means that the majority of women initiating those divorces were unfit for marriage and got baited by the advantageous divorce laws.

Says who. Says you? Can you say with certainty that that's what why majority of those women are initiating divorces?

Abuse by the husband is relatively rare. Give it 10% which is generous so yeah the rest are unfit. Why else would you break a sworn lifelong bond and potentially wreck kids.

mell says

Abuse by the husband is relatively rare. Give it 10% which is generous so yeah the rest are unfit. Why else would you break a sworn lifelong bond and potentially wreck kids.

This is 100% speculation. There are a million reasons to initiate a divorce. Are some gaming the divorce laws? Sure. Are there other possible reasons? Yep.

Evan F. says

Then why in the Christ would anyone take anything you say about child rearing and/or marriage seriously? Are you fucking kidding me?

I don't care what you think. No, I'm not kidding you.

mell says

Plus I know many that claim to be happily married when in fact they are being cucked by a less than desirable woman. Especially in the bay area where hotties are pretty rare. Some are being bossed around so.badly that I'd rather see them free as much as I root for the family.

This.

I can't count how many times I've heard married guys I work with wish they were in my shoes. Complain about the slavery they're in. Seems like it's near 90% and those are the ones who aren't even raped in divorce court yet.

just_dregalicious says

I don't care what you think. No, I'm not kidding you.

You posted it on this site, so it's fair game for criticism. And news flash: it's retarded advice. You don't know what you're talking about, you've never had kids, you're apparently not married because you're still bedding '30's hotties', whatever that means.

I'm sorry I hurt your feewings! But yeah, keep dropping those pearls of wisdom about having kids out of wedlock, especially for the dudes.

just_dregalicious says

I can't count how many times I've heard married guys I work with wish they were in my shoes. Complain about the slavery they're in.

Sounds like they have the pussy in the relationship. Why don't they take off their skirts, get their balls back, and take control of their situation. It's easy to blame the wife when they have no balls. Do they act that same way at work, let others boss them around and not take responsibility and step up?

Marriage is simply not the natural arrangement between males and females. The present legal arrangement violates mans nature.

Today the male is severely punished for having a sexual partner in addition to the aging, enlarging, and controlling one he is married to.

Men who are older can still attract younger females, but the converse is not true; older females generally can not attract males of any age.

Having someone to have conversations with, spend time with, go out to eat with, etc. doesn't require marriage. I do these with my widow neighbor.

As far as sexual relations go, I have younger ones for this activity. Everyone likes the arrangement as far as I can tell.

MrMagic says

Sounds like they have the pussy in the relationship. Why don't they take off their skirts, get their balls back, and take control of their situation. It's easy to blame the wife when they have no balls. Do they act that same way at work, let others boss them around and not take responsibility and step up?

Typical biotech dudes in California. Both Norcal and Socal. Mostly feel powerless due to family law.

Evan F. says

You posted it on this site, so it's fair game for criticism. And news flash: it's retarded advice. You don't know what you're talking about, you've never had kids, you're apparently not married because you're still bedding '30's hotties', whatever that means.

I'm sorry I hurt your feewings! But yeah, keep dropping those pearls of wisdom about having kids out of wedlock, especially for the dudes.

Critique all you like. You're delusional though if you think I give a shit about what you think. Marriage is a construct, people have raised kids for hundreds of thousands of years without it. I've got great family and it worked well for them. These days though you're marrying the government. Fuck that.

clambo says

Marriage is simply not the natural arrangement between males and females. The present legal arrangement violates mans nature.

Official marriage is only just a piece of paper. Stop getting hung up. Its more about the committment, through thick and thin that determines the relationship. Guys who can't make that committment, or have shitty skills at picking good mates, are the ones not getting married.

Blaming a piece of paper for entrapment is a cop out and shows a failed loser. I'm sure that carries over to other parts of his life too.

clambo says

As far as sexual relations go, I have younger ones for this activity. Everyone likes the arrangement as far as I can tell.

Maybe you need to expand your social circle, after all, you are who you associate with.

MrMagic says

I'm on 38 years....

Things were different when you were young. My parents are on 47 and I am quite certain if my dad was in his 20s and got married right now he'd last about a year. Family law in the west is fucked (THANK YOU BOOMERS) and even worse in the UK. I wouldn't even date a single mom in the NW US. Judges are sticking guys with child support for kids that aren't even their kid in that area.

I'm not sure how many out of wedlock kids there are running around these days but I'd guess it's over 50%. (If you include divorce) Daddy is now, "The state", and you serve only at the pleasure of your wife.

just_dregalicious says

Critique all you like. You're delusional though if you think I give a shit about what you think.

And yet you keep responding to my posts. Clearly evidence that your don't care what I think!

Evan F. says

And yet you keep responding to my posts. Clearly evidence that your don't care what I think!

You're so gay with your, "I know you are but what am I", type posts. That's what I think.

just_dregalicious says

You're so gay with your, "I know you are but what am I", type posts. That's what I think.

clambo says

Marriage is simply not the natural arrangement between males and females. The present legal arrangement violates mans nature.

Today the male is severely punished for having a sexual partner in addition to the aging, enlarging, and controlling one he is married to.

Men who are older can still attract younger females, but the converse is not true; older females generally can not attract males of any age.

Having someone to have conversations with, spend time with, go out to eat with, etc. doesn't require marriage. I do these with my widow neighbor.

As far as sexual relations go, I have younger ones for this activity. Everyone likes the arrangement as far as I can tell.

I agree with much of what you're saying, but there is one thing that LTRs or marriage give you if done right...love. I don't mean to sound sappy, but superficial relationships with many women (albeit hella fun) wouldn't cut it for me especially as I grow old, which I'm not yet. There's something unique and special about being with someone for decades, sharing memories and a family together, making it through the ups and downs, etc. If you've never tasted that, I understand why you'd go the route you choose. But for me, it's priceless.

porkchopexpress says

wouldn't cut it for me especially as I grow old, which I'm not yet.

How old were you when you married? As I mentioned above I think if you marry somewhat young there are great opportunities. I come from a huge family with great marriages. I had health problems in my 20s and early 30s and worked my ass off to pay for and solve them as well as to climb out of poverty. Didn't spend those years looking to get married. Not a multi-millionaire yet but soon will be. No way I'm fucking that up now with what's leftover in the culture we live in now though.

just_dregalicious says

porkchopexpress says

wouldn't cut it for me especially as I grow old, which I'm not yet.

How old were you when you married?

I was young...23. I certainly understand the risks you'd be taking by getting married, which I wouldn't do if I waited later in life for the reasons you cite, unless I was 100% sure. The laws are far too discriminatory against men and breadwinners.

Economists are calling the, "Men not wanting to marry", phenomenon we're currently in which is greater than the old-fashioned, "commitment-phobe", situation a "rational economic decision".

In my opinion, it really does take 2 parents to raise children. I do not think a single parent working full time leaves enough time for nurture. This is true whether the man or woman is the "house spouse" in the child's formative years, or whether the couple is gay or lesbian. That being said, I think the only real reason to get married is to raise kids, and if you do plan to raise kids, you really should get married to someone like minded in this most important job. Yes, today's environment makes divorce too easy, with the breadwinner at risk for serious loss. But I see a way to deal with that, based on the successful marriages I know. Here is what I would tell any 18 year old kid today:

Don' t get married too young. Party and get it out of your system in your 20s and early 30s. If you are 37 year old guy and marry a 31 year old girl, your are marrying a girl who knows that a fantasy Brad Pitt type is not out there waiting for her, and she has enough career experience to know if that job is more important than the bio-clock. I know several guys who married young and then had the wife dump them during their late 20s, the reason was always something similar to "you stole my youth" and then the girl ran off with some more exciting type.

Date within your socio-economic group. Increases you chances of falling for a girl as rich as you are, who would have much less to gain in a divorce.

I know that lots of elderly people (like George and Barbara Bush) have had long marriages despite marrying extremely young and with the man usually richer, but that was in a much different environment.

Evan F. says

just_dregalicious says

Critique all you like. You're delusional though if you think I give a shit about what you think.

And yet you keep responding to my posts. Clearly evidence that your don't care what I think!

Come on, guys. We have a cool forum on various subjects for the examination of facts and the exchange of ideas. We are obviously trying to influence what others think and maybe even change some minds. Even opinions you disagree with can be interesting, and maybe either convince you or cause you to respond with the perfect rebuttal.

That being said, I know my posts contain such high intellectual content and unassailable reasoning that all Patnetters, including the most die-hard, will eventually come around to my way of thinking.

HeadSet says

really does take 2 parents to raise children.

This I agree with and I never said anything about not committing to that or that I was against living together. My best friend from high school lived with his girlfriend for 20 years and they were one of the happiest couples I've ever known. Never had kids and she died from breast cancer. That was 4 years ago. I call him the Italian Stallion. He has early 20s women throwing themselves at him. Hot ones. He's still tore up about his loss.

HeadSet says

Don' t get married too young. Party and get it out of your system in your 20s and early 30s.

I've been telling my nephew that if he's interested in marriage at 30 he needs to be targeting an early 20s woman. Not long after that the good ones get scooped up. You're right about the risks but I think that's a guy's best chance.

I've been telling my nephew that if he's interested in marriage at 30 he needs to be targeting an early 20s woman. Not long after that the good ones get scooped up. You're right about the risks but I think that's a guy's best chance.

IMO, 30 is too young for the guy to get married. He should date these young 20s women causally for now, and when 35 or so start dating women in their late 20s that are still single because they put career before marriage. Such career girls usually have a change of heart around 28 concerning career and bio-clock, and now have the mindset to make a good wife and mother.

just_dregalicious says

Family law in the west is fucked (THANK YOU BOOMERS) and even worse in the UK. I wouldn't even date a single mom in the NW US. Judges are sticking guys with child support for kids that aren't even their kid in that area.

See, that's a big part of the issue, if you go INTO a relationship thinking about family law and divorce, you're already setting yourself up for failure.

just_dregalicious says

I'm not sure how many out of wedlock kids there are running around these days but I'd guess it's over 50%. (

In the black community, it's closer to 75%. Want to guess why the crime is the way it is in that population?

MrMagic says

See, that's a big part of the issue, if you go INTO a relationship thinking about family law and divorce, you're already setting yourself up for failure.

Only a moron wouldn't be thinking about that in today's anti-male 3rd wave feminist climate.

MrMagic says

In the black community, it's closer to 75%. Want to guess why the crime is the way it is in that population?

I'd thought in that community it was closer to 90%. Those guys abandon their kids. I'm firmly against that.

just_dregalicious says

MrMagic says

In the black community, it's closer to 75%. Want to guess why the crime is the way it is in that population?

I think in the 70s it was around 40% for black families and 5% for white families. White families now eclipse 1970s black families. It's been awhile since I read about that but that's ball park accurate.

porkchopexpress says

There's something unique and special about being with someone for decades, sharing memories and a family together, making it through the ups and downs, etc. If you've never tasted that, I understand why you'd go the route you choose. But for me, it's priceless.

This is very true, For the ones never experiencing it, because of bad earlier decisions, they can't knock it.

just_dregalicious says

How old were you when you married? As I mentioned above I think if you marry somewhat young there are great opportunities.

The great opportunities are there because you get the first bite at the apple. When you wait until your 30's, or later, the only women left are the cast-offs or the sloppy seconds on divorcees. All the good ones have already been taken and married.

just_dregalicious says

I've been telling my nephew that if he's interested in marriage at 30 he needs to be targeting an early 20s woman. Not long after that the good ones get scooped up.

That's true. The other thing I see with the women in their 30's is that they get too set in their ways and lifestyles, and aren't as interested in compromising.

just_dregalicious says

This I agree with and I never said anything about not committing to that or that I was against living together. My best friend from high school lived with his girlfriend for 20 years and they were one of the happiest couples I've ever known.

I've seen that too, but what happens with a non-committiment for marriage is that they become a union of "yours-mine-ours" instead of a "ours". That is another recipe for disaster, when that split continues into marriage. I see that in my oldest son's marriage. They lived together for like 5 years, with the "my money" - "your money" - "our money" system. When they finally got married, that mentality carried over. It now causes issues in their relationship when talking about expenses for the kids, the house, cars, etc.

just_dregalicious says

I think in the 70s it was around 40% for black families and 5% for white families. White families now eclipse 1970s black families. It's been awhile since I read about that but that's ball park accurate.

77% black births to single moms, 49% for Hispanic immigrants
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/77-black-births-to-single-moms-49-for-hispanic-immigrants

just_dregalicious says

MrMagic says

See, that's a big part of the issue, if you go INTO a relationship thinking about family law and divorce, you're already setting yourself up for failure.

Only a moron wouldn't be thinking about that in today's anti-male 3rd wave feminist climate.

Like I said above, if you have the deflector shields set up early in the relationship, do you really think it has a future? Maybe it's time to search in a better place for women, instead of along the street corner.

Maybe it's time to try Christian Mingle?
https://www.christianmingle.com/en-us

MrMagic says

Maybe it's time to try Christian Mingle?
https://www.christianmingle.com/en-us

Because I'm not religious. Besides, I'm happy being single. Why screw up a good thing?

Too bad this ends at 2010:



Different world vs. the one you married into eh? This trend is because Daddy is the state. If it were otherwise it wouldn't be happening.

just_dregalicious says

These days though you're marrying the government. Fuck that.

Lol, so true!

I can see for myself that the guys I know are not getting married. They are well aware that feminists have turned it from the traditional bad deal for men into a godawful scam enforced by the government.

Patrick says

I can see for myself that the guys I know are not getting married. They are well aware that feminists have turned it from the traditional bad deal for men into a godawful scam enforced by the government.

That's because you live in the Liberal Land of CA.

Come out and join the sane part of the country, you'll be amazed.

Certainly moving from TX to CA (bay area in particular) wasn't helpful for marriage prospects. Leftism is spreading though. I couldn't believe how many Beto stickers I saw in San Antonio over the holidays.

Probably going to retire in Costa Rica. They're conservative and the state doesn't mess with people. It's the closest thing I know of to what the US used to be.

just_dregalicious says

Different world vs. the one you married into eh? This trend is because Daddy is the state. If it were otherwise it wouldn't be happening.

Different for sure, wifey asked if something happened to her, would I remarry. I said I signed one life sentence, why would I sign another :)

But, in reality, that chart isn't because of the "daddy State", but because moral values, responsibility, honesty and things like that have left the country. Committment to anything doesn't exist anymore: jobs, kids, relationships, families, etc. Hardly anyone follows through with promises.

It's easy to blame the "Daddy State" instead of looking into the mirror and seeing the real problem.

MrMagic says

I see that in my oldest son's marriage. They lived together for like 5 years, with the "my money" - "your money" - "our money" system. When they finally got married, that mentality carried over. It now causes issues in their relationship when talking about expenses for the kids, the house, cars, etc.

He might not have a say in the matter. That's pretty much what everyone I've dated said they wanted over the past 20 years. Of course, they wanted mine too even when I was poor haha...

just_dregalicious says

Leftism is spreading though. I couldn't believe how many Beto stickers I saw in San Antonio over the holidays.

I've read that, with the outflow from CA, Texas is become California South.

just_dregalicious says

Probably going to retire in Costa Rica. They're conservative and the state doesn't mess with people. It's the closest thing I know of to what the US used to be.

I'm jealous, that's probably a good choice. This country is lost.

MrMagic says

But, in reality, that chart isn't because of the "daddy State", but because moral values, responsibility, honesty and things like that have left the country. Committment to anything doesn't exist anymore: jobs, kids, relationships, families, etc. Hardly anyone follows through with promises.

It's easy to blame the "Daddy State" instead of looking into the mirror and seeing the real problem.

I think we're both right in that regard. I can't argue with any of that.

just_dregalicious says

He might not have a say in the matter.

Sadly, that is the issue. He needs to get his balls back too!

just_dregalicious says

That's pretty much what everyone I've dated said they wanted over the past 20 years.

Money causes the BIGGEST issues in marriage. When it's divided THREE ways, I can't imagine the ass aches that brings. There's one big benefit to getting married young, we were both poor and didn't know any better, so we never had that money division from the beginning.

Strategist says

Rin was always right. Why fuck a wife when it's cheaper to fuck a whore.

That's cause Rin-Wah is Law!

And The Clash told us, not to fight the Law because The Law Won!

www.youtube.com/embed/AL8chWFuM-s