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Tech Hype, pay no attention to the 1000 Indians behind the curtain edition.


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2024 Apr 4, 7:19am   157 views  6 comments

by Tenpoundbass   ➕follow (7)   💰tip   ignore  

So apparently Amazon is shutting down their AI auto scan just walk out feature. It turns out it was really a farm of 1000 Indians acting as a virtual scanner through the Video camera. You can't make this stuff up! Well I can suspect that's what's going on, but I wouldn't have dreamed it on my own.

https://revolver.news/2024/04/amazon-magical-ai-grocery-store-technology-exposed-it-was-actually-1000-indians/

This might explain what's going on at Circle K as well. They have this metal box on their counters, about the size and footprint of a 3D Printer. You put your items inside and it automatically rings it up. It can detect a Hotdog with the extra condiments, distinguish between Pastries and Doughnuts, and even your fancy mineral water, all at the same time. Sometimes it's quick sometimes, nothing happens so the clerk has to ring them up the old fashioned no bullshit way.
Perhaps the Indians were busy with other Circle K AI junk food auctions.

Indians you really gotta love their no nonsense smoke and mirror approach to technology.

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1   HeadSet   2024 Apr 4, 11:51am  

I guess that stuff works until Toto comes along:
2   GNL   2024 Apr 4, 11:53am  

Isn’t Amazon the one you should be denigrating?
3   richwicks   2024 Apr 4, 12:02pm  

GNL says

Isn’t Amazon the one you should be denigrating?


Amazon may have been using this for AI training purposes.

The way AI works is that you have this mass of neurons, and then you have inputs and outputs. You have to identify both the input and output CORRECTLY, and the neurons setup their weights so that they can also match inputs to outputs correctly.

The Indians may have just been, without their knowledge, being used to train the AI. I guarantee what they did was all recorded.

If you show an AI system a cat, a dog, a horse, a butterfly, an eagle, and show 100 of them in various positions and in different scenes, you can train it so that when that AI sees a cat it's never seen before, it's VERY likely to be able to identify it correctly as a cat. If you show it a lizard though, it will categorize it as either a cat, a dog, a horse..
4   KgK one   2024 Apr 4, 12:16pm  

Lizard image will not have features needed to identify as cat dog or horse. If feature match is below threshold probability it will mark is as unidentified. If algorithm is forced to pick only between three then yes it will pick. But most of these program will have 90% or more match to identify.

Who amazon hires to do work is is irrelevant. But you need people to verify ai specially during initial usage, n testing.
5   Tenpoundbass   2024 Apr 4, 12:34pm  

Image comparing is done by two means, edge detection, and pixel matching. If you have a classic bottle of Heinz ketchup, AI can detect it by edge detection with 90% certainty, and use pixel matching to identify the label. But if the bottle is placed on a weird angle where the bottle contours are not pronounced and the label is not in view, then it will fail. Scanning labels and using OCR to extract the text and query the product would be most efficient. But then that isn't AI, that's just using plain old Enterprise technology that was around before the AI buzzword. AI is matching the product based on what it thinks the shape and label of the product looks like.
But at the end of the day, it's probably just easier to hire an army of third world humans to work for $20 or less a day, to help the bugs along. They will always be needed, this is beyond testing phases. Every technology has its limitations, and the customer then has to decide if augmenting the software's failures with humans is feasible. The biggest failures of enterprise software is the executives don't want to concede decisions back to the employees that they are trying to take decision making from.
6   richwicks   2024 Apr 4, 1:15pm  

It seems to me this can be done a lot simpler.

Place OCR codes on the bottom of all products, and require the item to be placed upright to checkout. Verification can be done by weight and shape as well, to be certain that labels aren't swapped.

I know that with producers they are extremely particular about what goes on the face of the box, and sometimes even the top, but I don't think they care about the bottom. The real problem is how do you stop shoplifting? There's got to be somebody there, it's not reasonable to hold the customer to ensure they've paid for everything before they leave if, say for example, somebody swapped the bottom labels are there's just a software fault, or if indeed they attempted to steal.

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