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The shipping costs are prohibitive.

Have you seen the fly-by footage of Pluto? It's basically 2/3 covered in oil Or at least it looks like oil. Def hydrocarbons. Cosmoscientists are starting to think most stuff out there not glowing from heat are like that.

Need to send some space cowboys to retrieve some!

Patrick says

The shipping costs are prohibitive.

Free fuel for the return trip.

If hydrocarbons are produced on Earth by the same processes as they are on Titan there's no need for interplanetary transportation.

Maybe natural gas and even other hydrocarbons are renewable resources.

yawaraf says

Maybe natural gas and even other hydrocarbons are renewable resources.

Abiogenesis!

What about Uranus? Potential fertilizer planet... sorry, had to go there.

Oil doesn't come from Dinosaurs, it comes from sea snow and is constantly being replenished.
I'm sure the died off Dinosaurs did produce some hydrocarbons, but then how did all of the oily bits from those dying dinosaurs all aggregate and coalesce into huge deposits? Unless they all died in a huge Dinopile. It's absurd to think oil came from Dinosaurs. That notion was created by the same people who depicted Neanderthals as hunched over cavemen, and Dinosaurs as fat plush toys.

Patrick says

The shipping costs are prohibitive.

Not if you have Prime.

Tenpoundbass says

It's absurd to think oil came from Dinosaurs. That notion was created by the same people who depicted Neanderthals as hunched over cavemen, and Dinosaurs as fat plush toys.

This isn't the current thinking.

The current thinking, at least in the west, is hydrocarbons are deposits of dead bacteria, not dinosaurs. Not 65 million years old, but 2 billion years old, something like algae in the sea that sank, was consumed by our planet, turned to hydrocarbons and is accessible now after being consumed by our planet.

There's certainly evidence of this, we can find DNA strands in hydrocarbon deposits, but the Russians had the idea it was from the formation of the planet itself, and it's created continuously, albeit we are exhausting it at a far greater rate than the planet can produce. We have to move off from fossil, or petroleum fuels in time, regardless. We have a few hundred years though to do it, but we have to do it.

We are not destroying our planet by burning fossil fuels, however, there's a limited supply of it, at least a limited supply that is obtainable. It takes X amount of energy to get Y amount of energy out of the ground. When X > Y, it no longer makes sense to recover it at all. This is called Return of Energy Investment. It was like 20:1 at the start, it's like 4:1 now.

Coal will supply us for 100's of years, but we better have fusion or thorium reactors or something before that depletes. I think thorium is our best bet. It's easy to work with, it doesn't melt down, we've tested it, it's safe and reliable, and easily maintainable, but even that will run out. Fusion I think is a pipe dream. We cannot get the density of atoms or temperatures to make a reaction that is net energy positive - that is, it produces more energy than it takes to make the containment field to make the fusion happen. A net loss - i.e. a negative return of energy investment. EROI. If we cannot produce a positive EROI, it's a waste of effort, and that's what a lot of "green energy" is, negative. I don't think Wind Farms produce a positive EROI.

We may return to some simple time in the future where we are back to something like the Victorian era, with a vastly reduced population. Our progeny may still benefit from our technology though. It's not a tremendous amount of energy to make a computer chip, and we can make memory storage far more reliable quite easily at the cost of storage density so a single "small" SD Card of "only" 128GB can last for 100 years, instead of just 10, but it will instead be 64 GB, not 128GB, that's still more than any single person can read in book format in their entire lifetime, if they were born able to read, read constantly and never slept, and died reading. That's how much storage you have on a $10 consumer card today. More than your brain can hold.

Still your great great great grandchildren may be riding horses instead of driving a car, and they might be plowing fields, if they survive the culling. They will still have computers, video screens, and communication devices. They may have intermittent power, be taking cold showers, and talking about the grand old days when everybody lived an easy life in this "utopia".

Tenpoundbass says

Patrick says

The shipping costs are prohibitive.

Not if you have Prime.

Amazon operates at a loss shipping goods. They make money off from AWS. They are the exclusive contractor for storing all 17 intelligence agencies records, at your expense, through tax money.

Amazon is not free market in the least. When you purchase from them, you are grifting off from taxpayers. It's basically a tax subsidy. They run at a loss to destroy legitimate business operating at a profit and use government income to offset the loss - for now. Once they have destroyed all the competition, you'll see prices skyrocket, and what will you do? You'll have no other place to purchase from.

Welcome to fascism boys and girls! Doesn't matter if I warn you, you'll still walk into it even with open eyes. Engh, the next generations will suffer, you won't. You saved $1.50, that's worth selling them into slavery isn't it?

I think we need to put all the Rockefellers there until they figure out a way to get it back to Earth.

richwicks says

The current thinking, at least in the west, is hydrocarbons are deposits of dead bacteria, not dinosaurs. Not 65 million years old, but 2 billion years old, something like algae in the sea that sank, was consumed by our planet, turned to hydrocarbons and is accessible now after being consumed by our planet.

LOL no it doesn't take 2 billion years to produce the oil. And it's more than bacteria from billions of years ago. That theory is to keep the "Fossil Fuel" aka "gonna run out of oil next year", canard going.
When you pour water on the ground it goes straight down. Until the ground gets saturated, but even then the ground is still absorbing water. The more weight you have on top of the water, the more force that is pushing that water down. In the Ocean, you have 30,000 feet of water pressing down on the water below where more water is pushed into the the sea floor crust. That water then goes through processes under tremendous pressures. The salts and are filtered and deposited, and the carbon based materials are heated and compressed. But at that rate, it takes millions of years to collect enough to be a sizable deposit. Also it could take millions of years before those deposits are either pushed and squeezed to be more accessible for extraction, or tectonic activity may expose the deposits.

richwicks says

Welcome to fascism boys and girls! Doesn't matter if I warn you, you'll still walk into it even with open eyes.

Richwicks you sound depressed of late. Every post you make you sound like you're trying to preach the status of the current state of affairs to "Us" the Choir.
Remember we're you're political peers, we're all pretty much on agreement on the state of the Uniparty, the MSM, the Organized Crime ring running the Government that is the deepstate. How big and how deep that runs can always be open for debate. We all understand that there are companies that are essentially a monopoly being propped up by regulations that propel them, while prohibiting affective competition. I don't think you're angry at us, I'm not riling against you or your attitude or anything. I just want to reach out and say. "I hear ya man!".

I know it seems like we're alone trying to reach the Cable news watchers, their Fairytale view of our current reality is very frustrating. But we're not them.

Just know the worm turns, it always does. Also the difference in now, and pre Trump. We no longer generically call the players in the human suffering around the globe "Them". It's hard to fight an invisible boogeyman. That is what all of those bastards has always been. We've called it the illuminati and all kinds of fantastical crap, that at the end of the day, did nothing to change things. A lot has changed since Trump came down the escalator. Now it's not a question of if the "They" dynasty will brought down and to heel. But WHEN.
They have an army of gender confused cowards, they don't stand a chance. For them to continue at this point, they need a cohesive support of sensible people. They have fractured political frays, that has been agitated and disturbed so much, that at this point, they are turning on each other.
It's not looking good for the Fuckers. Have patience America is under renovation. And you're preaching to choir.

Tenpoundbass says

Richwicks you sound depressed of late.

I'd concur with this. Life ain't that bad and there is a shift politically. Joe is trying his best to fuck things up, but I don't see a scenario where Trump doesn't win. I don't gamble but I'd bet on a Trump win.

I'm not as negative on the economy, but I'm also in prime earning years and doing very well. It's the younger folks that Biden is losing. Trump physically really hasn't changed over the last 2 decades. Biden looks weak and has obvious cognitive issues.

I worry about Israel with Trump though with Jared the SIL. I think one side needs to just get the job done and I think Trump might partake in that. That might destroy any progress on a host of issues.

All this said, my life is fucking delicious. I have complaints, but they're minor. Enjoy it while you can. We're in the best nation on the planet even if they are corrupt and kill people. So do other nations on a bigger scale. Or they don't have running water or an economy. Challenge government, but we're living in the best place in modern times.