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The lack of a work ethic amongst Americans is a problem. Too many people seem to believe work and education are for suckers…

The solution is to shock them them globalization and take away their welfare benefits.

Work ethic is good and I strongly promote it. However, an efficient economy should not rely upon it.

But then I hear the stories of people who are working two or three jobs to make ends meet. So I don’t think the American working class is uniformally lazy, by any means.

Again, I begin to suspect that inequality is part of the karmic system.

astrid Says:

> Illegal immigrants aren’t making the sort of wages where
> income tax would be a serious consideration.

There is a myth out there that illegals work for slave wages.

As SF Woman mentions most of them get paid $12 - $15 per Hour CASH so they “take home” more cash than a legal tax paying worker that makes over $40K a year. The guys that can paint and do basic apartment maintenance all get at least $20 per hour and since they work longer hours than most Americans many are taking home more cash than Americans who make $75K a year…

FAB,

Maybe you could find a breed of dog that is perpetually attractive to women or spends a large portion of their life as puppies. I think most people would find golden retrievers cute at any age, esp. if the golden retriever is relatively thin (to resemble a puppy's physique).

it’s the haven’t worked in three generations class that is problematic

Changing the child tax credit to a reduction of marginal tax rate should help fixing the problem.

One huge issue I see is that the educated people are often disincentivized from having children while welfare recipients are encouraged to breed like rabbits.

I think I'll just go ahead and assume humanity in its present form is doomed.

there used to be a guest worker program, until abe lincoln abolished it...

FAB,

Hmmm. If that's the case, why don't the employers hire legal American workers to do the same jobs?

I think the highly compensated illegal immigrant is largely a myth. Yes, some of them do eventually do that well (I know a couple Latino handymen who can command $10-15/hr) but it takes a lot of social capital and English skills to get to that point. Most are probably making less than $10/hr.

permanently puppy-like lap dogs are popular in the inner city, possibly for this reason... maybe Monsanto can come up with something that just stops growing...

what about a lovely little white rat perched on the shoulder? would that work? little pink nose, long bald tail...

I think I’ll just go ahead and assume humanity in its present form is doomed.

Pretty much.

DS,

The US stopped importing foreign born slaves long before the Civil War.

"It is a great time to buy or sell Intel stock".

Yeah, I figured that makes a lot of sense.

(Not investment advice)

SP

SFWoman,

Wow, jackpot! They're so cute with their huge expressive eyes.

hmm, they were still 'guests'... domestic guest workers...

Peter P Says:

> One huge issue I see is that the educated people are
> often disincentivized from having children while welfare
> recipients are encouraged to breed like rabbits.

Unlike my hard core Libertarian friends I don’t want to see poor people die in the streets, but I’m sure we would have a lot less people on welfare in if I ran public housing in a way that would make boot camp seem like easy street (up at 6:00 am ever day for PT, breakfast in the mess hall then job training until lunch)…

We would have a lot less kids since I would throw guys that didn’t pay child support in jail, letting them out only after they agreed to go to work to support their kids. They would spend their first year out of jail living in dorms and learning the skills they need to keep a job (like getting up at 6:00 am for PT, before breakfast in the mess and showering and dressing for work)…

FAB,

That sounds like a program I could get behind. Kids usually do better with a lot of discipline anyhow.

I would also support a licensing system for breeding. You get the first kid automatically (unless you have Huntington's Disease or similar) but must justify all future procreation activities.

Beagles, Cocker Spaniels and retrievers are all cute but acceptable for a male dog owner.

I would also support a licensing system for breeding. You get the first kid automatically (unless you have Huntington’s Disease or similar) but must justify all future procreation activities.

Not a bad idea! :)

Some of them might even have skills that could come in handy in urban warfare.

Huh?

CR,

If you can't be bothered to read direct replies to your queries, then you are truly wasting everyone else's time.

(tip, do a search in last thread with term "molecular biologist")

The odd thing is, I recall you actually replying in response to that comment.

Perhaps you're suffering early signs of dementia. Might want to have your doctor check that out for you.

I was inferring that many of the dead beat dads may be gang members involved in urban warfare here.

I see.

would sheeple attract good looking women?

would sheeple attract good looking women?

Only if they make great wool.

I don’t think a man walking one would attract women, they’d assume it was his girlfriend’s.

dagnabbit...

spaniels etc could be ok. my friend has a beagle, it spends all day jumping up and down on its hind legs, very hard to manage...

once we narrow down the breeds, maybe fab can resurrect his biz idea...

I find Nubian goats to be quite cute and mellow looking. They look like they'd be good pets.

SFWoman Says:

> FAB, How about just making men who do not pay
> child support go into the military? Some of them
> might even have skills that could come in handy
> in urban warfare.

My Conservative friends agree with me when I say that men with young children should be home to raise their children…

The same Conservatives then get mad when I say that “home to raise the children” means you won’t be on a ship or in Iraq for a year where you don’t see your kids…

I also don’t think that people with kids should be interviewing terrorists, filming bombs dropping or hunting crocodiles…

Let’s hope that he is alright. All wars are wasteful.

Not the war on housing!

Not the war on housing!

Did you mean war on housing or war against housing (NIMBY)?

Did you mean war on housing or war against housing (NIMBY)?

Not against housing,....houses are good! :) Against these lying, desperate, greedy, over-priced house pushing, spinmeisters!

That ad should require at declaration of at least "Not Investment Advice" with a "Housing can lose significant value in the next few years" clearly visible.

Against these lying, desperate, greedy, over-priced house pushing, spinmeisters!

Real estate agents are probably just doing their jobs to sell and promote houses.

I have more problems with people who make new housing nearly impossible. I say let it build!

Hope the weather lasts. Anybody see any good open houses today?

It was way too warm today in the city.

Hope the weather lasts. Anybody see any good open houses today?

My sister went to one two weeks ago just for fun. The realtor actually told her that the open house ran for 2 days and that she was the only one that showed. She got there just as they were closing up the second day....at least she was honest.

I just don’t like dishonesty on the part of any salesperson or anyone, for that matter.

I know, the same here.....at some point this will all end and the NAR will have lost all its credibility! Will anyone ever trust this organisation again?

I don’t like addressing someone as ‘Confused’.

Why not just call him RID?...."Realtwhore In Disguise".

I wish David Lehreah's new book was out. I can't wait to go on to Amazon and review it.

Check it out of the library or read it at Starbucks in Borders then review it. You don’t want to participate in deceptive or untruthful behavior.

I don't need to read it to review it! :)

Actually, now that I've de-lurked, I'm starting to find CR moderately annoying. He/she/it is rather redundant. Eternal fluff + perpetually sunny = troll?

FormerAptBroker says: As an undergrad I ended up at Marina Green with a cute (almost white) golden retriever puppy and met so many girls that I went back across the Bay and tried to figure out a business plan for a “puppy rental” business catering to single guys (we had to scrap the plan since we couldn’t figure out what to do with the dogs after they weren’t “cute puppies” any more…

5 words for ya: Seeing Eye Dog Training Program. We used to get the "recruits" into work all the time. They are golden retrievers or yellow/black labs. Most are still in the shoe-chewing stage, but they wear these cute little green bibs that say "Seeing Eye Dog In Training". You get booku points for having an adorable puppy, plus they are training for a noble life helping the blind. How could that not get a prolonged "Awwwwhhh!" from every cutie you meet?

Problem is, I have always had labs or goldens, and I would get horribly attatched to the lil' nippers. I would never be able to give one away after I had bonded with it, not even to some 9-year old blind girl with cancer.

btw, does anyone else think that Ha Ha might be a bot?

SFWoman Says:
I think that I shall start calling ConfusedRenter Carla. May we address you as Carla?

Is that short for "Carlatan"?

SP

not sure whether to be carl or curt? then why not Carlotta...

important message:

The Race Between the Right Wing and the Right Thing ...a message from Michael Moore

Friends,

Tomorrow night, those who sent 2,800 of our soldiers to their deaths -- all because of a lie the president concocted -- will find out if America chooses to reward them -- or remove them.

As good as things look for the Democrats, do not pop the corks and start the partying yet. Do not believe for a second that the Republicans plan on losing. They will fight like dogs for the next 24 hours -- relentless, unforgiving, nonstop action to squeeze every last conservative voter out of the house on election day. While the rest of us go about our day today, tens of thousands of Republican volunteers are knocking on doors, making phone calls, and lining up rides to the polls. They're not sleeping, they're not eating, they're not even watching Fox News. A day without Fox News? That's right, that's how insanely dedicated they are.

But the reason they have to work so hard is that, before they can get the vote out, they first have to completely turn around the massive public opinion against them. Almost 60% disapprove of Bush. Over 60% are opposed to the war. Those are landslide numbers. And the American people are not going to turn pro-war or into Bush-lovers by tomorrow morning. So it should be easy for us, right?

Yup. Just like it was when we won the popular vote in 2000 and when we were ahead in the exit polls all day long in 2004. You know the deal -- the other side takes no prisoners. And just when it seems like things are going our way, the Republicans suddenly, mysteriously win the election.

Well, it's not really that mysterious. They're out there busting their asses this very minute, right down the street from you. What are YOU doing? You're on a computer reading my cranky letter! Stop reading this! We have only a few hours left to wrestle control of the Congress away from these "representatives" who, if returned, will continue shipping our young men and women over there to die.

Here's what I'm imploring you to do right now:

1. Go through your address book on your cell phone and computer and call/e-mail everyone you know. Tell them how much it would mean to you if they vote on Tuesday. If they don't know where to vote, help them find their polling place.

2. Contact MoveOn.org ASAP. They will connect you to the folks who need you to make calls.

3. Contact your local Democratic Party headquarters. There are close races in nearly every state. They'll put you to work -- on the ground or on the phones. Or go to the local HQ for the Dem candidate running for the House of Representatives or the U.S. Senate and say, "Put me to work!"

OK, turn off the computer -- and I will, too. There's serious work to do. The good news? There's more of us than there are of them. Let's prove that, once and for all.

Is there anything more important that you have to do today? Nothing less than the rest of the world is depending on us.

Yours,
Michael Moore
www.michaelmoore.com
mmflint@aol.com

SP,

Exactly! Imagine the NASD coming out with a full page ad blitz saying "Now is a good time to buy OR sell a stock"? When you put it in that context it's hard to imagine a a more ridiculous statement!

Which stock? Am I buying it or selling it? Does it really matter?

This has to go down as one of the dumbest ad campaigns in in the history of advertising. Doesn't it strike anyone as a little odd that rather than individual RE firms saying "Buy through us, we always get the best price" what we get is the broader trade organization speaking for all firms?