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Vicente says

How do you know when a politican is lying?

His. Mouth. Is. Moving.

Vicente says

Paralithodes says

Meanwhile, now that Vicente has provided an article that contradicts the assertion in the OP, and I have provided a link to the actual text of the interview exchange, I’m wondering… Where’s the beef in this thread’s claim against Paul?

That his commentary is all over the map? That we don’t know if he’s just posturing for effect to different audiences? How do you know when a politican is lying?

I disagree that his commentary is all over the map, at least as it concerns earmarks. Not living in KY, I have not heard all of his commentary, but his actual comments from the interview seem to be consistent with his stated stance on earmarks: Want something? Put it in committee and have it prioritized... No more just adding some pet project's funding as a rider to some bill, with no scrutiny. Do you live in KY?

And certainly your point in this thread is NOT that you "don't know if he's just posturing..." The initial points in this thread are quite clear in that you DO know that he is just posturing. Yet even you provide evidence to the contrary. Your claim now is simply begging the question. Or are you really "backpedalling?"

Vicente says

RayAmerica says

Rand Paul was elected U.S. Senator, not Governor of the state.

Some of us were under the impression that Senators were the ones who “bring home the bacon” in terms of Federal programs with components targetted at fattening up their states. Everything from road improvements, to DHS offices, to Coast Guard. Senators & Representatives certainly spend a lot of time saying they have authority in these sorts of things. So the governor actually does this? Hmm.

Yes, this does happen. Since you mention the Coast Guard. There is a specific reason why the Coast Guard's pay and personnel center is in KS. There is a specific reason why its operations systems center is in WV. And these specific reasons were not likely due to objective business cases determining where the best locations would be for the organization.

Nomograph says

progressive economic powerhouse states like California

Are you slightly mixed up (I’m being kind)? California is a bankrupt loony bin that is collapsing like a pancake due to all the liberal/socialist programs and high taxation. The sane people have left in droves. The only thing preventing more of an exodus is the fact that the high flying real estate market has also collapsed to such a degree that people can't sell their homes for what they owe. Gov. Moonbeam will only make matters worse. I predict a default in his first term and CA bonds heading towards junk status.

RayAmerica says

Nomograph says

progressive economic powerhouse states like California

Are you slightly mixed up (I’m being kind)? California is a bankrupt loony bin that is collapsing like a pancake due to all the liberal/socialist programs and high taxation. The sane people have left in droves. The only thing preventing more of an exodus is the fact that the high flying real estate market has also collapsed to such a degree that people can’t sell their homes for what they owe. Gov. Moonbeam will only make matters worse. I predict a default in his first term and CA bonds heading towards junk status.

Despite current debt problems, ca is by far the richest state in the union. The us also has a huge debt problem, but that doesn't make it poor either.

Please don't confuse macro and micro economics.

RayAmerica says

Nomograph says

progressive economic powerhouse states like California

Are you slightly mixed up (I’m being kind)? California is a bankrupt loony bin that is collapsing like a pancake due to all the liberal/socialist programs and high taxation. The sane people have left in droves. The only thing preventing more of an exodus is the fact that the high flying real estate market has also collapsed to such a degree that people can’t sell their homes for what they owe. Gov. Moonbeam will only make matters worse. I predict a default in his first term and CA bonds heading towards junk status.

No, California is an INCREDIBLY RICH loony bin that is collapsing like a pancake due to horrible structural governance problems.

bdrasin says

No, California is an INCREDIBLY RICH loony bin that is collapsing like a pancake due to horrible structural governance problems.

Not to worry, we'll all be sorted out into our Heaven/Hell bins anyhow when Lex Luthor causes California to slide into the ocean in order to expose his new beachfront property. Or any of a number of other fantasy ways in which people want to see California destroyed rolls around. I find it hilarious that the prospect of bankruptcy makes people salivate. It's so .... dull. John Cusack in a small plane narrowly escaping bankruptcy will be a hard sell. I guess it's like with Capone though, they'll take whatever they can get if it will bring low the target.

RayAmerica says

Denial is not a river in Egypt.

Isn't that what that total fake bald-headed guy on PBS says in one of his now-that-I'm-old-I have-suddenly-decided-to-become-a-good-person SHOWS.

He is sort of the Dr. Phil of PBS. Everybody (?) knows that Dr. Phil is just a pretentious asshole, but what about the PBS guy?

shrekgrinch says

How does California’s bankrupt state government carry ‘welfare states like Kentucky’…or any other state? Where is the budget line items where such expenditures are happening?
There are none.

Sigh. Look it up.

Can we expand this list to include honorary mentions? I think this qualifies:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1110/45181.html

"A conservative Maryland physician elected to Congress on an anti-Obamacare platform surprised fellow freshmen at a Monday orientation session by demanding to know why his government-subsidized health care plan takes a month to kick in."

shrekgrinch says

California would have no fiscal problems if we weren’t forced to carry welfare states like Kentucky.

although... I don't have numbers but my sense is that this statement is not entirely correct...