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2011 Apr 26, 5:06am   15,473 views  126 comments

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Should there be a clawback from those who profited during the bubble? My old landlord, a special-ed teacher, had about 7 high-end properties that he sold at the top of the bubble. But his paper gains equal someone else's real losses. I think my biggest gripe is the undeserved gains, whereas most people with losses can be expected to brush it off and get back on the horse.

What percentage of the bubble buyers (pure speculators) won, ya think, and what percentage eventually got their comeuppance?

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124   tatupu70   2011 May 6, 12:41am  

klarek says

That’s my issue with it. Great, take advantage of the system, but at the cost to whom? Other buyers. The fact is that these investor flippers can buy with lower bids says how very wrong the system is.
tatupu70 says
The investor is assuming the risk for the bank.
If they bought it at $80k under “market value”, excluding defects, what are the chances they’re inheriting any real risks?

Essentially you are saying that the banks are stupid and don't properly understand the risk of these loans not closing. Judging by their past performance, it's hard to argue with you.

It's not the systems fault though--it's just the seller's fault. The seller is leaving money on the table. Robert is right... Finally, if you are crying because you can't get a below market deal--shut up and save the money yourself! There is nothing stopping you from putting in an all cash offer...

125   klarek   2011 May 6, 1:09am  

tatupu70 says

It’s not the systems fault though–it’s just the seller’s fault. The seller is leaving money on the table. Robert is right… Finally, if you are crying because you can’t get a below market deal–shut up and save the money yourself! There is nothing stopping you from putting in an all cash offer…

Don't disagree at all. If one is to whine that it isn't "fair", they're not wrong, but the answer is of course to come to the table with more money. Just pointing out that the way this kind of system repeats itself, it sort of compounds this problem to where the only people who are compounding their available capital are the flippers.

I'm just looking at it as an economic inefficiency and why flippers don't deserve any sympathy.

126   tatupu70   2011 May 6, 1:21am  

klarek says

I’m just looking at it as an economic inefficiency and why flippers don’t deserve any sympathy

I agree too--I would definitely not have any sympathy for flippers...

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