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control point says

bob2356 says

The fox brainwashing strikes again. You don't raise taxes on investments, you raise taxes on the profits from investments.

Or you raise them on investments.. asset taxes....

Which would be more effective at lowering income inequality? A higher tax on the income from investments, or a tax on the value of the investment itself?

A tax on investment itself is prohibited in the constitution. A wealth tax would require passing an amendment equivalent to the 16th which allowed income tax.

control point says

In short, the current structure is already skewed towards the top 1% - only those in that bracket pay 39.6%. But why does the top bracket stop there? WHy not have 45% over 1 million, 50% over 2 million, 55% over 5 million, 60% over 10 million, 65% over 20 million, 70% over 50 million, 75% over 100 million, 80% over 250 million, 85% over 500 million, and 90% over 1 billion.

Because Ronald Reagan said that if we got rid of that tax structure the wealth would trickle down. We just going have to wait a bit longer for it to trickle, it's only been 30 years. After all the Jews have been waiting for the messia for 2000 years. Trickle down wealth down may take just as long. Why are you a liberal commie who is against god, motherhood , apple pie, and freedom of the rich to get richer?

bob2356 says

Because Ronald Reagan said that if we got rid of that tax structure the wealth would trickle down. We just going have to wait a bit longer for it to trickle, it's only been 30 years. After all the Jews have been waiting for the messia for 2000 years. Trickle down wealth down may take just as long.

Ronald Reagan raised capital gains taxes, when he was the president he also got rid of tax loopholes as well. Just that tax structure did not last very long after he was gone. Because all those who buy our senators and their elections expect nice gifts in return from the taxpaying hard working americans.

FortWayne says

Ronald Reagan raised capital gains taxes

Source?

Kemp Roth cut Capital gains rates from 28% to 20%. The Tax Reform Act of 1986 eliminated a special capital gains rate, essentially raising capital gains rates to 28% in line with the max income rates.

mell says

I'm sure any other administration would have prosecuted more than zero

I don't think so. You can have your unprovable belief, but I didn't see any Republican majority in Congress calling for prosecutions either. As unpalatable as it was, I think most people you put in the White House would have to go along with Congress and Congress was in no mood for lynchings. Congress were all shit-scared by Hank Paulson, and wanted to patch things up an move on. Maybe you've forgotten the TARP vote where Congressmen were calling out falling stock indices as the vote was taken, but I haven't. Despite people's obsession with what goober is taking a turn in the White House, that's not where most of the actual power is.

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999:

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Wednesday, September 11, 2013 __ Level is 97.9

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes indeed, go here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

Vicente says

mell says

I'm sure any other administration would have prosecuted more than zero

I don't think so. You can have your unprovable belief, but I didn't see any Republican majority in Congress calling for prosecutions either. As unpalatable as it was, I think most people you put in the White House would have to go along with Congress and Congress was in no mood for lynchings. Congress were all shit-scared by Hank Paulson, and wanted to patch things up an move on. Maybe you've forgotten the TARP vote where Congressmen were calling out falling stock indices as the vote was taken, but I haven't. Despite people's obsession with what goober is taking a turn in the White House, that's not where most of the actual power is.

It's possible, but now you are hypothesizing a lot.

JH says

The four most dangerous words in investing are 'This time it's different.'

But this time it really is different! And if it isn't you can still come on here and say you did everything right and call yourself the Oracle ;)

humanity says

And the rich get richer when it comes to intelligence too.

http://www.youtube.com/embed/aF8wLg5Asgo

control point says

ource?

Kemp Roth cut Capital gains rates from 28% to 20%. The Tax Reform Act of 1986 eliminated a special capital gains rate, essentially raising capital gains rates to 28% in line with the max income rates

Singapore has zero capital gains taxes. Singapore has unemployment rate of 2.1%.

gsr says

Singapore has zero capital gains taxes. Singapore has unemployment rate of 2.1%.

#snort

Singapore is about as special and self-selected a population as there could ever be. Maybe Lichtenstein or Monte Carlo, too. If that's what you think is comparable to the US economy, then you get the income inequality you deserve.

I think I'll write a Rap song & title it - Pump Up The Hype

Speaking of delusions,I thought I could learn something from the comments. Fool me twice ,shame on me. rofl

HEY YOU says

I think I'll write a Rap song & title it - Pump Up The Hype

you mean your going to rip off the original artist...

http://www.youtube.com/embed/tpprOGsLWUo

Instead of patting yourself on the back, who don't you put aside your delusions of grandeur for a moment and answer my question.

Do you or do you not support an increase in rental income taxes?

Why aren't you on the phone with your representatives trying to increase the tax rate on rental income?

egads101 says

rental income is separately taxed in almost every city,

no its not.. no such thing as rental income taxes levied by cities or counties.

This shit is not about Demo and Repub. There are elitist greedy control freak piles of crap working on both sides of the aisle. Get that through all of your F'ing heads. They have succeeded in the division aspect of divide and conquer, we need to unify to break the brainwashing that has taken place. Stop with the Demo / Repub blame game shit and talk about the issues and how we can work to fix them.....

Call it Crazy says

HEY YOU says

I thought I could learn something from the comments.

What???? The comments are the best part of the articles!!!!

Yes,but I'm still dumb.

I'm not talking about practicing law.

I'm talking about slumlording.

And answer my original question if you want anyone to stop branding you as a hypocrite.

egads101 says

if it is down, why is the august 2013 number higher than the august 2012
number on your graph?

Hey,hey.........I wandered how long that it would be before some of the usual (self-professed)"economic" hacks would try and pull some revelation of the economy by using the witholding taxes. I was figuring that it would be Mush, but 0-sense isn't surprising.

It's all up to Uncle Ben. More money printing = higher asset prices, and visa versa.

As far as I can tell there are no true "bubbles" right now. Other than the bubble in calling everything a bubble.

Ok, maybe Tesla stock. But even there, there's little public enthusiasm or media hype....yet.

I do think stocks are overvalued (on average) based on long-term historical data from Case-Shiller.

http://www.multpl.com/shiller-pe/

But overvalued doesn't mean a bubble.

The weekly swings in application activity are essentially useless. In a prior week there could have been a three-day holiday or no holiday, there could have been a big storm the impacted a large part of the country or there could have been a political event that short-term set people on edge.

The report that showed a 13.5 percent decrease in weekly applications was also up 7 percent from a year ago.

http://mortgagebankers.org/NewsandMedia/PressCenter/85639.htm

Peter
OurBroker.com

Housing isn't supposed to "recover" to bubble levels. Housing should track inflation, on average.

Good to see the East Coast people are awake. The CA folks won't be up for another 3 hours. ;-)

Call it Crazy says

He expects bubble prices, and MORE!!

Where did he say that? He expects prices (where he lives) to go up, but not necessarily to "bubble" levels.

CA real-estate has always been crazy because of the nice climate and strict land-use laws (inelastic supply, which causes big price swings for relatively small changes in demand).

Call it Crazy says

It depends on how hung over they are!!

I always get wasted on Wednesday nights! ;-)

egads101 says

Here is a hint: how widespread a belief is held is NO INDICATION of how true it is.

Except in economics.

http://www.theonion.com/articles/us-economy-grinds-to-halt-as-nation-realizes-money,2912/

The payroll tax increased by 2% January 1 2013 and additional medicare tax plus there other increases up to 3.8% on investment income (don't exactly know where this would show up). You would expect to see the treasury withholding tax volume increase based just on changes in the tax rate. The data that needs to be teased out is the amount of the increase that is from rate increases and what percentage is from job growth. The reality is probably worse than what the graph illustrates.

Always beware of "financial gurus" who claim to know the future.

The unknown is scary. I want to be told "the truth" too. That's why pundits, televangelists, and the Catholic Church make so much money.

I woke up early with a whiff of impending housing collapse in the Cali air.

freak80 says

Housing isn't supposed to "recover" to bubble levels. Housing should track inflation, on average.

Yes, once it returns to natural trendline!

freak80 says

As far as I can tell there are no true "bubbles" right now. Other than the bubble in calling everything a bubble.

There's a bull denial bubble.

How can something most people can't afford be "too cheap"?

Moderate Infidel says

How can something most people can't afford be "too cheap"?

It isn't. It is very expensive. But if you have been brainwashed that taking on debt for 30 years is hip & acceptable in order to own your personal shack, you'd think this is a bargain as well. In a debt-driven society a 30 yr mortgage doesn't look that bad. If people would start trying to avoid debt, esp. long-term debt, the housing market would crash very fast. But that's no going to happen until sentiment towards debt changes or rates explode.

I'm going to go put an offer on a house at 50% over asking because it is too cheap at the current price. I don't like cheap things.

I'm paying $1700 month for a two bedroom when I could buy a "too cheap" 2 bedroom here for 600k and pay a "fair" price instead. Why am I so greedy?

Moderate Infidel says

I'm going to go put an offer on a house at 50% over asking because it is too cheap at the current price. I don't like cheap things.

Hehe. Even worse, agents will tell you that you should not "offend" the seller by making lowish offers. We had a lot of fun back in the days leading to the bubble to routinely bid 25%-50% below asking and having agents go apeshit.

A little cut and paste from housing bubble blog

A little more advice and analysis from the RE “experts” for your enjoyment…

“Stock prices have reached what looks like a permanently high plateau.”
- Irving Fisher, Ph.D. in economics, Oct. 17, 1929

“Home sales are coming down from the mountain peak, but they will level out at a high plateau — a plateau that is higher than previous peaks in the housing cycle.”
- David Lereah, Chief Economist, National Association of Realtors

“It’s impossible for prices to go down this year.”
- Gary Watts, Spokesman Orange Country Association of Realtors

“I don’t worry about new home sales,”
- James Glassman, JP Morgan Chase Economist

“If you own your own home free and clear, people will often refer to you as a fool. All that money sitting there, doing nothing.”
- Anthony Hsieh, CEO Lending Tree

“I think investors will have a good reason to come out here and buy again.”
- Jeromith Sutton, 2006, NAR Investment Advisor

“…housing activity will remain healthy for some time to come.”
- David Lereah, NAR’s chief economist, October 28, 2005

“There is no bubble to burst,”
- Jim Folkman, VP of the Home Builders Association of Central New Mexico

“I’d say this is another very important signal that the economic soft patch we were all worried about is pretty much confined to March”
- David Seiders, Chief Economist, National Association of Home Builders

“The idea that we’re going to see a collapse in the housing market seems to me improbable”
- John Snow, Secretary of the Treasury

“People who talk about a bubble are blowing smoke,”
- Michael Carney, Real Estate Economist
California State Polytechnic University Pomona.
Thursday, February 10, 2005

egads101 says

yep, housing seems to be lulling. Enjoy the lull, because it will not crash.

the oracle has spoken, heed the advice or become like Iwag and the Losh!

Yes, buy the "lull". It only goes up from here. Peoples gots more jobs wif more monies now.

egads101 says

Losh

Baiting again?