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None of those are remotely the same as recordings of what happens when there is a controlled demolition of a large structure... as you well know. Look again at the video I posted. Look at what you are posting. You were right about cognitive dissonance. You were just wrong about how to spell it and who was demonstrating it.

Arf, arf, arf. Are you now claiming that they used that technique on 9-11? Really?

http://www.hodiho.fr/2010/06/demolition-tour-def-cite-balzac-vitry-sur-seine.html

I don't think so.

And if you aren't, what was the point in posting it in response to what I'm requesting?

And if others can hear the explosions, then post up the video that resembles the kind of controlled demolition that you claim occurred. They're loud you know. They'd be clearly recorded on all the many videos that were made on that day. Why is it taking you so long to post just one? People might think you're dodging the issue for one very obvious reason.

The Professor says

Bigsby says

And if others can hear the explosions, then post up the video that resembles the kind of controlled demolition that you claim occurred. They're loud you know

I do not know the mechanism that caused the three towers to collapse but I do not believe the official story.

Do you believe that office fires caused a steel framed building (WTC7) to collapse into a pile of twisted metal and pulverized concrete? I do not.

That is complete and utter bullshit. You've frequently claimed it was a controlled demolition.

The Professor says

Bigsby says

That is complete and utter bullshit. You've frequently claimed it was a controlled demolition.

Do you believe that office fires caused a steel framed building (WTC7) to collapse into a pile of twisted metal and pulverized concrete?

How many times have you asked that question and how many times have I answered it? A person might get the idea you are deflecting. You claim a controlled demolition, so post up a video that shows a controlled demolition taking place. Why is that so difficult? Shall I tell you why once again?

The Professor says

I claim that the evidence points to a demolition. If there had been a real investigation they would have at least looked for explosives. The 9/11 commission report never even mentioned WTC7.

So post a video up that shows that. You don't because you can't, which says rather a lot about your claims.

The Professor says

Humor the "thinking challenged" one more time. Do you believe that office fires caused a steel framed building (WTC7) to collapse into a pile of twisted metal and pulverized concrete?

I won't explain my views to you again. Explain to me why I have to restate the same thing that has already been posted in this thread just because you are too lazy to scroll back and/or are playing a very stupid game.

That is possibly the most ridiculous thing you have ever posted on here and that really is saying something. Do you really, honestly believe that shows a controlled demolition? Seriously? In that video, do you notice something happening? I believe it's called a building collapsing. That entails a certain amount of downward force. What consequence do you think that might have? Ah yes, exactly what is demonstrated in that video. A controlled demolition starts a collapse. That is a video of a collapse in progress. I would like you to post a video that shows the explosions taking place that you claim STARTED the collapse and not the downward pressure that expelled dust and debris out of the building as the collapse progressed.

The Professor says

Bigsby says

I won't explain my views to you again.

Yeah if I were you I would not agree that the official story of desks and paneling and rugs burning could cause a steel frame building to be utterly destroyed was correct either.

Thanks for your contribution.

And if I were you, I wouldn't claim that 3 buildings were brought down by silent and unseen controlled demolitions. You may as well claim that God fired 3 invisible lightning bolts out of his arse for all the veracity your argument has.

The Professor says

Interesting interview with Dr Niels Harrit by the BBC

Is that your attempt at appeal to authority? The video is embarrassing, embarrassing to Harrit. He is a run of the mill 'truther.'

"Minor, random, small fires (in WTC7)." Err...

The Professor says

I am not posting it here for you deniers because you have already made up your mind and believe the official story even though it has been thoroughly debunked.

Comedy gold.

to the bigsbys of this world,

what can you possibly gain by ignoring the facts?

coriacci1 says

to the bigsbys of this world,

what can you possibly gain by ignoring the facts?

I think you should ask yourself that question.

bgamall4 says

coriacci1 says

to the bigsbys of this world,

what can you possibly gain by ignoring the facts?

I agree. He ignores a mountain of evidence. And it is like he is paid off or something by the uselessness of his posts.

You mean like your Rooke post where what you said was demonstrably utter bullshit, and when that was pointed out to you, you refused to admit you were wrong, instead indulging in blathering nonsense. Evidence quite obviously means nothing to you.

The Professor says

Sometimes I wish I had never learned. Ignorance is bliss.

You must be very happy indeed then.

The Professor says

I do not push this story for my own gratification or to get attention. I am an anonymous poster on the internet. I keep on running across information on this conspiracy that I think should be shared.

Then why is it you constantly post up stuff that you've already posted before?

Bigsby says

The video is embarrassing, embarrassing to Harrit. He is a run of the mill 'truther.'

you are a run of the mill troller

coriacci1 says

Bigsby says

The video is embarrassing, embarrassing to Harrit. He is a run of the mill 'truther.'

you are a run of the mill troller

And you are a run of the mill conspiracy nut.

The Professor says

I still have Bigsby on ignore. If he ever says anything of substance (not likely) I would appreciate somebody quoting it so I can respond.

A shrinking minority actually believes that 19 jihadi took down 3 buildings with 2 airplanes. Spread the word so that "the war on terror" can end.

Take me off ignore and respond to my points rather than running away and simply repetitively posting the same guff over and over again. You quite obviously ignore any reasoned points in favour of conspiracy nonsense. That is your choice, but don't try and pretend you are offering anything insightful. You are simply making assertions without any evidence. It's idle speculation or down right lies that you are interested in passing off as the 'truth.' Bgamall's Rooke story is a perfect example of what you conspiracists do. You simply lie and then ignore the rebuttals that people put up. You then deflect and move on, and further down the line simply repeat the already disproved claim. You are a bunch of intellectually dishonest individuals whose arrogance and lack of rigorous thought make for an unfortunate combination on the internet. It's a shame that you now have such a large outlet for your unsubstantiated gibberish.

Bigsby says

you conspiracists

who pays you to write this stuff?

coriacci1 says

Bigsby says

you conspiracists

who pays you to write this stuff?

I rest my case. An utterly typical conspiracy nut response.

here you go prof.......Bigsby says

Take me off ignore and respond to my points rather than running away and simply repetitively posting the same guff over and over again. You quite obviously ignore any reasoned points in favour of conspiracy nonsense. That is your choice, but don't try and pretend you are offering anything insightful. You are simply making assertions without any evidence. It's idle speculation or down right lies that you are interested in passing off as the 'truth.' Bgamall's Rooke story is a perfect example of what you conspiracists do. You simply lie and then ignore the rebuttals that people put up. You then deflect and move on, and further down the line simply repeat the already disproved claim. You are bunch of intellectually dishonest individuals whose arrogance and lack of rigorous thought make for an unfortunate combination on the internet. It's a shame that you now have such a large outlet for your unsubstantiated gibberish.

Bigsby says

I rest my case. An utterly typical conspiracy nut response.

an utterly typical debunker personal attack

one for the prof ..Bigsby says

I rest my case. An utterly typical conspiracy nut response.

an utterly typical debunker personal attack

coriacci1 says

one for the prof ..Bigsby says

I rest my case. An utterly typical conspiracy nut response.

an utterly typical debunker personal attack

What do you expect in response to your post? Put up something meaningful and I'll be happy to address it. That's not what you did though, is it?

The Professor says

http://www.consensus911.org/

Start denying bigsby. Pick any point you want.

Perhaps you'd like to tell me which of those points hasn't already been covered in painful detail. And why do you seem to get most of your 'evidence' from conspiracy websites? In this case, a site calling itself Consensus 9/11. Presumably tongue was firmly planted in cheek when coming up with that name.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Take me off ignore and respond to my points rather than running away and simply repetitively posting the same guff over and over again.

He should just delete your dumb comments.

And he should ignore your clear and demonstrable lies. Does the Rooke case ring a bell?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

What do you expect in response to your post?

For you to go away. That is what we want. Is Rupert paying you?

You want me to go away so that you can freely post up lies without anyone challenging them in the hope that someone else will stumble across them and become as misinformed as the three of you. I'm unsurprised that that is what you want. Obviously any discussion, analysis or questioning of what you post up is best avoided otherwise you might end up embarrassing yourself on an all too frequent basis. Care to hold up your hands about the Rooke case yet? Thought not.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Perhaps you'd like to tell me which of those points hasn't already been covered in painful detail. And why do you seem to get most of your 'evidence' from conspiracy websites?

We get evidence from videos too. As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. You, on the other hand, get your evidence from popular mechanics owned by that British liar Rupert Murdoch.

That you source from conspiracy websites.

And Murdoch is Australian with American citizenship now, is he not? You aren't very good at getting your facts in order, are you?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

You want me to go away so that you can freely post up lies without anyone challenging them in the hope that someone else will stumble across them and become as misinformed as the three of you.

What do you care what people post? We have made our minds up and you won't change them so what is your point? At every chance we post prove, like videos of firefighters saying there were explosions on the ground and basement floors before the towers came down. You can't refute that. You just rattle off a bunch of crap and the more you post the more people reading this realize what a fool you really are. So keep posting and we will keep proving.

Why would you inflict punishment on yourself like that Bigsby?

You don't post up proof. You claim ridiculous arguments to be proof. They aren't. Were your Rooke claims proof or flat out lies? Why shouldn't people respond to such blatant nonsense. You don't check facts. You source everything from your conspiracy websites and take all of it at face value. It's intellectually dishonest and yet you arrogantly claim it as proof. No, it isn't.

bgamall4 says

We have made our minds up and you won't change them so what is your point?

That really says it all, doesn't it? Any kind of real, fact based analysis of what happened is of absolutely no interest to you. Lamentable.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Any kind of real, fact based analysis of what happened is of absolutely no interest to you. Lamentable.

We have 10 facts for every one you have. So, you are the fossil here.

An utterly baseless claim.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

And Murdoch is Australian with American citizenship now, is he not? You aren't very good at getting your facts in order, are you?

Most people don't know that, so you probably are paid by him. I was testing you.

No, you weren't. You are just clueless. Anybody with an ounce of awareness knows that he isn't British. Naturally, you thought he was.

I 'pounce' on the crap that you post not your lack of linguistic ability. Why worry about your poor spelling when there is so much more to shake my head at in disbelief? And there is no such thing as 'compelling evidence' to you except when you think something 'proves' your nonsense 9/11 demolition theories (which of course none of it does).

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

"Minor, random, small fires (in WTC7)." Err...

Actually that is true Bigsby. Give it up.

No, it is demonstrably not true. Is this what you consider to be 'minor, random, small fires?'

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=d45_1320106542

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

I 'pounce' on the crap that you post not your lack of linguistic ability.

You pounce like a pig, or a duck. You have no pounce because you have no facts.

I have no facts? You mean like your Rooke case claims? Or the 'dancing' Israelis? Or pretty much everything you post...

Seriously, you really shouldn't be attacking other people about a lack of facts given the nonsense you post up on a daily basis.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

No, you weren't. You are just clueless. Anybody with an ounce of awareness knows that he isn't British. Naturally, you thought he was.

Prove it.

Er, you posted up that he was British.

bgamall4 says

The Professor says

He always pounces on my spelling errors.

He may be the most irrelevant man in the world.

I get the feeling that is rather descriptive of you - hence your love of all this conspiracy nonsense. You think it empowers you when in fact it just makes you look like a crazy old man.

The Professor says

In the words of Engine 7′s Joe Casaliggi: “You have two 110-story office buildings. You don’t find a desk; you don’t find a chair; you don’t find a telephone or a computer… . The biggest piece of a telephone was half of a keypad.

http://web.timesunion.com/news/september11/091102/artifactsgallery/wtc911.html

I presume that means something different to you and Bgamall than it does to the rest of us.

bgamall4 says

Prof, check my new posts out at the thread I started: http://patrick.net/?p=1230890 I don't want to repeat them here but that discussion is worth taking a look at.

Though you have to take into account Bgamall has deleted half the posts.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Though you have to take into account Bgamall has deleted half the posts.

I am trying to keep it on subject. Your posts that have something to add are not being deleted. But there is so much fluff that the good information and videos just get buried. I almost think that is your method of operation, Bigsby.

You've deleted plenty of my posts and those of others that have addressed what you've said. You just don't want to answer what is raised. Instead, you just want to throw around the word cockroach, keep posting up the same old videos and completely ignore any direct questions that you just can't deal with - you just move on to your next conspiracy talking point. You did it for Rooke. You did it for the 'dancing' Israelis. You do it all the time for your amazing silent squibs. You don't address anything. You just post up yet another video of someone saying they heard 'explosions' or some such or multiple videos from multiple angles of the collapse of the WTC7 that simply don't demonstrate what you claim. You are, as I keep saying, intellectually dishonest. You are peddling outlandish conspiracy theories that you state (with a completely straight face) are FACT, but then fail to produce anything that demonstrates those 'facts.'
You are the person peddling fluff - the ridiculous claims of 'proof' that are entirely lifted from conspiracy websites - presumably if you were an ancient alien believer (you probably are), then your 'proof' would be Chariots of the Gods fan sites. Unfortunately, and sadly, you don't appear to understand what is problematic with that approach.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Instead, you just want to throw around the word cockroach,

No Bigsby, I specifically apply the term cockroach to you. You earn it from your consistency and relentless spreading of germs and filth.

Says the intellectually challenged conspiracy peddler who repeatedly posts up the same crap in an attempt to prove his moronic views.