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egads101 says

YOU are the one cherry picking. To compare 2010 to 2011, you pick the HIGHEST price point of 2010, and compare it to the lowest price of 2011.

Nah, you're not paying attention. I TOLD you, I'm giving you the amount by which prices fell, which is measured from peak to bottom.
As for comparing 2010 to 2011, you're forgetting that
the chart measures CLOSING prices, which lag behind offer prices."waiting" gave the person advice BEFORE the purchase, and that was in 2010. So even if the person considered buying the house in early 2010, it wouldn't have closed escrow until mid-2010, at which point ppsf for closing prices was around $350. That part right at the beginning of 2010 where the chart dips down, actually reflects closing prices for offers made in 2009, most likely in the gap between the tax credit expiring and the announcement that the credit would be extended, where demand suddenly dropped off a cliff. But by 2010, we were back in full feeding-frenzy mode, due to the extension of the tax credit, as you can see by the climb to $350 psf. And prices stayed close to there for the rest of that year. Throughout ALL of 2011, prices were considerably lower, and actually bottomed in 2012. So your remark that it only fell $10 psf is total, unadulterated bullshit, that you pulled out of your ass.

egads101 says

I ALREADY gave you a more fair method to compare the two years. Do you suffer from a reading comprehension disability? I will quote it for you again here:

"More fair"? The gut feeling of the two biggest trolls on PatNet, with absolutely no evidence whatsoever to back it up? Please, don't make me laugh. You guys are both full of shit. Sorry, but I will take real data over the word of two blowhards who have nothing better to do than brag all day on the internet about what great "investors" they think they are. Holy shit that's funny.

egads101 says

Your buying a home in 2012 was a mistake, because it was cheaper in 2012. In fact, the peak 2012 price was $35 a square foot more than the lowest price in 2012. So, you shouldn't have bought in 2012, you should have waited to 2012.

Wow. That was complete gobbledygook. Nice job.

egads101 says

As opposed to the Obviously very important relevancy, of proving homes might have been 50 cents cheaper when you say they were

Another lie. $120,000 is a bit more than 50 cents.

egads101 says

"admitted..." Like having profited from real estate should be something terrible or shameful to have to admit on real estate blog?

Strawman.

egads101 says

SOME readers on here, might like to learn from someone who saw the crash coming, and sold beforehand...

Judging from the fact that you were on the list of biggest trolls, I somehow doubt that anyone here is interested in your bragging.

egads101 says

Not all the readers are losers like you!!!

Gratuitous name calling doesn't help your point.

egads101 says

Not only did I have $400,000 in cash, I had earned all of that money, by selling homes prior to the collapse.

Oh, so you had money AND property. And this is supposed to prove you aren't a rich spoiled fuck how?

egads101 says

And once again, your reading problem shows up. Everybody knows I live and invest in PHOENIX, which, maybe you aren't aware, isn't in California.

How is that a "reading problem"? You changed your screen name, and didn't mention anywhere in this thread that you were Roberto. I only discovered it because another posted called you out.

But good, now that you have come clean, I will ask you this:

WHAT THE FUCK DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE MARKET IN CALIFORNIA IF YOU NEVER SPENT A DAY OF YOUR LIFE IN THAT MARKET, DIPSHIT?

I wrote over 50 offers IN CALIFORNIA. How many offers did you write IN CALIFORNIA? Zero? Yet you have the nerve to act like you're some sort of expert on the California market. So much so, that you attempt to argue that your own PERSONAL EXPERIENCE trumps hard, objective data. That ridiculous claim would be bad enough by itself, but then you don't even HAVE any personal experience with that market. So lame.

I live in California, and I bought a house in California. Therefore, ANY claim you make that you have more expertise than I do in California real estate is AUTOMATICALLY NULL AND VOID.

Homeboy rules.

egads101 says

Homeboy says

What's really pathetic is that you don't even seem to have a clue what a rich spoiled asshole you are. Most people don't come across that kind of money in their LIFE, let alone have that much to play around with in a 2 or 3 year span.

Well, if a cuban immigrant, who grew up on free school lunches, and food stamps, while his mother worked as a janitor can do it, why the fuck are you still such a loser?

And this is the crux of your problem, right here. I said you are a rich, self-centered, spoiled asshole who only was able to buy a lot of property because you had a bunch of money at the time.

And the only response you can come up with is to call me a "loser" because I didn't have all that money to goof around with in real estate.

See, you don't even understand that some of us don't measure our self-worth by how much money we have. To you, money is the ONLY thing that matters. Love of money consumes your life so thoroughly that you actually believe being richer than someone else makes you a better person. And getting a death threat didn't even dissuade you from acting this way. You are quite possibly the most self-centered person I have ever encountered.

You have crossed a line, sir.

Not funny. Roberto just made a very big mistake.

Homeboy says

Not funny. Roberto just made a very big mistake.

Are you going to report him like you did before?

Why do people take message boards so seriously?
Over 200 posts arguing about a chart. A chart, for gods sakes!

egads101 says

spring 2012 was the best time to buy.

how laughable... at best the below home should be at 400-450K.. based
on incomes, inflation, and if need be past normal trends (double over 15 years at the extreme). there is nothing to justify these insane prices in the SFBA...

But we are still way way overpriced in SFBA... 50% hair cut to get back to normal. The Real Estate Investors like you would differ with that ...

37779 Alta Ct
http://www.redfin.com/CA/Fremont/37779-Alta-Ct-94536/home/1350365

Property History for 37779 Alta Ct
Date Event Price Appreciation Source
Oct 15, 2010 Listed $995,000 -- BAREIS #21029431
Sep 01, 2004 Sold (Public Records) $845,000 10.2%/yr Public Records
Jun 05, 1992 Sold (Public Records) $257,000 -- Public Records

egads101 says

I remember that Rob guy from here too; He doesn't seem to be here any more. He'd beat your ass just as easily as I would.

your IP address is still traceable Roberto..

Oracle, please dont make terroristic threats on a blog.

Especially since you are a public figure.

some people have a vested interest for all the wrong reasons...

You don't get it. Calling me names is one thing. Threatening me with physical violence is a crime. You are digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.

waiting_for_the_fall says

Homeboy says

Not funny. Roberto just made a very big mistake.

Are you going to report him like you did before?

It makes you wonder.

Yep, just as I thought, Bigsby. Saying you were out of this was bullshit, just like everything else you've ever said. Once a troll, always a troll....

Is that you disliking the post Homeboy? Why would that be?

You know perhaps Roberto wouldn't be so irritated as to make that remark if you didn't repeatedly call someone with his stated background a 'rich spoiled fuck.' Did you think he would be best pleased by that? Would you if you were him? But of course, you know better than to use 'gratuitous language,' so would never make such a remark. Repeatedly.

Oh, by the way Homeboy, I can see your posts if I don't log on. You might actually notice that I've refrained from responding directly to your comments because, hey when I actually log on I can't see them except when others quote them. And as I don't recall ever saying I wouldn't respond to others remarks...

Mind, I have to say I did find your comment to Egads that 'gratuitous name calling does not help your point' immediately followed by a repeat of your 'rich spoiled fuck' insult hilarious. Hilariously moronic. But of course, you aren't a troll...

Homeboy says

Threatening me with physical violence is a crime. You are digging a deeper and
deeper hole for yourself.

Where did he threaten physical violence? Saying he would love to meet you in real life? That's a bit of a stretch...

Stuttering is a hallmark trait of "a cowardly little bitch"..

egads101 says

I would honestly love to meet you in real life. in real life, and I can tell from your posting that you are a little cowardly bitch, in real life.

egads101 says

He'd beat your ass just as easily as I would.

Hey, physical threats not allowed here. In fact, they are a major crime and I will happily report everything I know to the police if they ask me.

Actually, egads101 is now banned for this:

"I would honestly love to meet you in real life. I would enjoy punching the ever loving shit out of you, in real life,"

Actually, egads101 is now banned for this:

"I would honestly love to meet you in real life. I would enjoy punching the ever loving shit out of you, in real life,"

You should take a good look at the constant baiting coming from Homeboy in thread after thread to give it a bit of context.

Actually, egads101 is now banned for this:

"I would honestly love to meet you in real life. I would enjoy punching the ever loving shit out of you, in real life,"

Professor banned from online website!!

Bigsby says

You should take a good look at the constant baiting coming from Homeboy in thread after thread to give it a bit of context.

baiting = legal

physical threat = felony

http://www.shouselaw.com/criminal_threats.html

Bigsby says

You should take a good look at the constant baiting coming from Homeboy in thread after thread to give it a bit of context.

baiting = legal

physical threat = felony

And I suspect that this particular threat wouldn't hold much water in a court of law: "conditional threats are true threats if their context reasonably conveys to the victim that they are intended." Doesn't seem too likely when directed at an anonymous internet troll...

And someone phoned up his place of work, and.... We're still in the dark about who that was from this website. There can't be that many potential candidates.

People bait him all the time. Homeboy being an obvious trolling example. Clearly he goes over the top but he gets shit all the time. And come on Call it Crazy, you don't half post up some complete bloody bollocks on here, so it's a bit rich for you to pop up and start crowing.
And I'm not quite sure what half of you on here will do with him gone. You've killed the goose...

Homeboy says

You don't get it. Calling me names is one thing. Threatening me with physical violence is a crime. You are digging a deeper and deeper hole for yourself.

Damn, what a whiny pussy.

Call it Crazy says

Bigsby says

People bait him all the time.

People bait other people here all the time.... How many other posters go off the deep end with their responses like he does??? His responses aren't normal.....

He's had years on here getting it constantly. Who else gets that? Who else had a phone threat made to their place of work?

Call it Crazy says

Bigsby says

Clearly he goes over the top but he gets shit all the time.

He gets shit BECAUSE he goes over the top....

People go fishing for it all the time, you included.

Call it Crazy says

I admit, I post different articles to get people to comment, but isn't that what Patnet is, a place to share and debate different topics??

Come on. It's a bit more than posting a few different articles to get people commenting.

Bigsby says

And I'm not quite sure what half of you on here will do with him gone. You've killed the goose...

Bobby will come back, he can't stand to stay away.
Unless Patrick blocks his ip address...

Patrick.net is more precise, wittier, leaner and faster without all the profanity clogging up the wires. You guys can open your own website with a (literally!) 'explicit' platform for the kung-fu fighting housing mogul. But it's nice to see some libertarian spirit on this board questioning government overreach - not that these moments of clarity will last long with today's 'progressives' ;)

Call it Crazy says

With responses like he made to Homeboy??? And you're defending him for that type of response??

Really??

Is threatening someone with physical harm because of some typed comments acceptable by you??

Really??

That response was a bit much, but it was made to an anonymous internet troll, so do you really take that seriously? Come on. And what about Homeboy's repeated 'rich spoiled fuck' comment? Quite honestly, Homeboy has been pushing it for quite some time.

turtledove says

this site is supposed to be an intelligent discussion where people from different vantage points discuss relevant topics.

You must be reading a different forum to me. It seems to be almost entirely populated by conspiracy freaks, racists, ultra right-wing loons and unhinged anti-Obama nuts these days. Oh, and gold bugs.

Bobby has his own website, but he never would let comments through that he disagreed with.
So naturally, no one posts there. And explains why he was always here.

What I just wrote will drive Bobby crazy. He will try everything he can to come back and deny what I wrote is true.

Bobby...
Are your guts twisting in a knot trying to resist coming back??
This reminds me of the Star Trek scene where Spok gets sprayed with the flower spores that gave him emotions. Spok would grit his teeth and chant "I am in control of my emotions!" over and over again. That is what I imagine Bobby is doing now. "I will resist coming back to Patrick.net!"

Bigsby says

You must be reading a different forum to me. It's almost entirely populated by conspiracy freaks, racists, ultra ring-wing loons and unhinged anti-Obama nuts these days.

And everyone of them is entitled to his or her opinion. It shouldn't cause people to lose their minds because of what someone says (someone you DON'T even know). They are just words. My power is in the upper right corner of my computer screen. I can click on that "X" any time I feel like it.

turtledove says

Bigsby says

You must be reading a different forum to me. It's almost entirely populated by conspiracy freaks, racists, ultra ring-wing loons and unhinged anti-Obama nuts these days.

And everyone of them is entitled to his or her opinion. It shouldn't cause people to lose their minds because of what someone says (someone you DON'T even know). They are just words. My power is in the upper right corner of my computer screen. I can click on that "X" any time I feel like it.

Maybe, though the world would be a much better place without some of the opinions expressed on this forum. And entitlement to an opinion doesn't equate to 'intelligent discussion.'

Bigsby says

turtledove says

this site is supposed to be an intelligent discussion where people from different vantage points discuss relevant topics.

You must be reading a different forum to me. It seems to be almost entirely populated by conspiracy freaks, racists, ultra right-wing loons and unhinged anti-Obama nuts these days.

Right on, the same loons who incessantly bash George "Zimfuck" Zimmerman for (and denying him the right to) using violence after being pinned to the ground under a brutal beatdown, but then are totally ok with going apeshit and advocating violence against someone who had the audacity to disagree with them on a web forum! Oh wait, that was somebody else.. ;)

Or simply the people who post blatantly racist and homophobic comments on here without any consequence. How about them for starters?
And I'm glad you know exactly what happened to George Zimmerman on that night. He certainly comes across as a likeable chap. Wouldn't hurt a fly...

Bigsby says

Or simply the people who post blatantly racist and homophobic comments on here without any consequence. How about them for starters?

And I'm glad you know exactly what happened to George Zimmerman on that night. He certainly comes across as a likeable chap. Wouldn't hurt a fly...

That is irrelevant. I don't have to like GZ. The definition of racism is subject to interpretation and without any further calls to harm the group of people targeted by what you perceive as racism those comments are protected by freedom of speech. This may be hard to swallow for some but it is the only way to prevent governments from hijacking morality and turning into an oppressive Orwellian fascist state.

mell says

Bigsby says

Or simply the people who post blatantly racist and homophobic comments on here without any consequence. How about them for starters?

And I'm glad you know exactly what happened to George Zimmerman on that night. He certainly comes across as a likeable chap. Wouldn't hurt a fly...

That is irrelevant. I don't have to like GZ. The definition of racism is subject to interpretation and without any further calls to harm the group of people targeted by what you perceive as racism those comments are protected by freedom of speech. This may be hard to swallow for some but it is the only way to prevent governments from hijacking morality and turning into an oppressive Orwellian fascist state.

A good number of posts I've read on here aren't subject to too much interpretation. They have been blatantly racist or homophobic. And your supposed right to freedom of speech has plenty of restrictions. It doesn't seem to have turned the US into an 'oppressive Orwellian fascist state' despite what some on this forum like to think.

Most people don't support homophobia or racism. But this is a public forum. Racists and homophobes do, in fact, have the right to say things no matter how foul most of us would find those words to be. The line is crossed at threatening to hurt another person.

I wish I didn't have to read idiocy, too. But I don't feel that I have the right to determine the rule book of what others are allowed to think and feel. It is not illegal for a person to hate gay people. IMHO, it's a waste of their energy. I might tell them that I don't appreciate their words; I can try to help them appreciate a different way of looking at things.... But that's the extent of what any of us can do.

Personally, I wish many of you would dispense with some of the language used on this site. It's as if you think that continuously dropping the F-bomb impacts the credibility of your argument. A few months ago, my nine-year-old daughter came up behind me while I was reading a thread on patnet and said, "mommy, that's the F-word." I shouldn't have to shield my computer screen from my kids as if I were watching porn. Now, that's my opinion, and I'm entitled to it. The best part of all is.... You have the right to disagree with me.

Bigsby says

You know perhaps Roberto wouldn't be so irritated as to make that remark if you didn't repeatedly call someone with his stated background a 'rich spoiled fuck.' Did you think he would be best pleased by that? Would you if you were him?

You're being dishonest again. You know perfectly well he called me much, much worse things than that, many more times. In fact I was very restrained compared to the heaps and heaps of gratuitous insults and profanity he was throwing in my direction. Do I need to quote all the nasty names he called me? The difference is, I do not threaten someone with physical violence "in real life" just because they called me nasty names on the internet. Honestly, what's not to understand here?

Bigsby says

Oh, by the way Homeboy, I can see your posts if I don't log on.

Wow. So you announced that you were done here, but then came back to troll me some more. Then you announced that you were putting me on ignore, but you log out just to read and respond to my posts.

Can you say, "obsessed"?