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Ah yes, because there isn't a Youtube video made by a 16 year-old, it can't be true. Why not contact the coroner who identified all of the people aboard the plane? Oh let me guess, he and his team are part of the conspiracy as well.

And what exactly do you think happens to human beings that hit the ground at well over 500mph and are then consumed by a massive fireball? Presumably you think they should be almost intact, along, presumably, with the rest of the plane, because er..., because umm...

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Oh let me guess, he's part of the conspiracy as well.

Of course. And Bigsby, people saw flight 93 land elsewhere.

Surprise, surprise. You also didn't answer my question about what happens in such a crash. And people see planes land all the time. They have no idea whatsoever which flight it was. They are making a claim post event and inserting the 'facts' that are convenient to their argument.
But there are a number of local eye witnesses who saw flight 93 going down and a couple of them photographed the subsequent smoke cloud caused by the crash. Presumably, they are also in on the conspiracy as well. Seeing how it's difficult for two people to keep a secret, it's remarkable how many thousands upon thousands are keeping quiet about all the conspiracies you believe to have taken place.

Your response is that I've got 'nuthin' and then all you do is copy and paste a paragraph on whether the crash happened at 10.03 or 10.06. Er, you don't even think the crash happened FFS.

Have you not taken your pills today Gary?

jazz music says

LOOK AT THE DEBTS INCREASING AND ACCELERATING THE INCREASE JUST BEFORE THESE CONSERVATIVES (?) LEAVE OFFICE EVERY TIME!!!!!!!

Yes clearly that is the only thing influencing those graphs. LBJ for instance couldn't possibly have influenced debt down the road a couple of decades. Clinton was held in check by a conservative congress and Reagan had a progressive one and of course the perfect storm with Obama. If I had to put anyone on a pedestal though it would have been Nixon taking us off the gold standard but then again his hand was forced by LBJ and Vietnam wars spending.

Your graph doesn't show a correlation or causation.

Smooth Jazz. Proof positive that Slash is a Yanni Zionist!

A musical interlude between conspiracies!

Carolyn C says

Maybe global warming will turn Portland into the Bay Area.

It seems to have turned the Bay Area into SoCal. When I lived in SoCal, maybe two weeks of rain, then nada. Now it seems SoCal gets more tropical stuff than it used to.

bgamall4 says

Don't troll Bigsby. Bring something to the table if you don't want to be deleted.

You delete anything that points out the idiocy of your posts, which is why all your conspiracy threads are almost entirely made up of your own posts.

And there was nothing trolling about the post you deleted. You simply don't want to acknowledge actual eye witnesses to the crash. Instead you make out that another one of your ridiculous Youtube videos, put together by a know nothing kid, is somehow conclusive proof that flight 93 never crashed. It isn't. It begins with clear and obvious lies and yet you lap it up. The crash site has impacted plane parts. There is nothing strange about the impact site given the speed and angle of impact. And yes, there weren't any 'bodies'. What there was were small fragments of body parts scattered around which enabled investigators to identify all of the people on board. Only on your planet does that translate as no bodies were found.

You are the one trolling this site, peddling obvious lies that you attempt to pass off as the truth to the more gullible on here. You don't want to examine evidence, which is why your 'evidence' is never anything more than laughable Youtube videos.

And why don't you want to take me up on my Sandy Hook offer? Don't you want to speak to the actual people you claim to be actors and liars? You make baseless assertions but are too much of a coward to actually face the people you accuse.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

You delete anything that points out the idiocy of your posts, which is why all your conspiracy threads are almost entirely made up of your own posts.

And there was nothing trolling about the post you deleted. You simply don't want to acknowledge actual eye witnesses to the crash.

Actually there were eyewitnesses that didn't see anything but a little trash.

If I saw Robbie Parker I would call him out for being as phony as a three dollar bill. I doubt if he is still in Sandy Hook. He just moved there for an acting gig.

If? Why not go there and demonstrate to all of us what you'd do? You've obviously got an inordinate amount of free time on your hands. I predict that you'd scuttle away with your tail between your legs given the merest whiff of anyone who was actually caught up in that horrific event.

And there were eye witnesses that saw the plane come down. Let me guess, they are all actors/paid government conspirators/blah-blah-blah.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

DJIA drops of 200-300 a day will be the new norm. Good for gold in the long run. Hope everyone is accumulating or kiss your savings goodbye.

Here is 2 in a row. Next week will be out of this world. I think we have just started what everyone around here has predicted for a long time. God help us all. Depression on its way. Ugh

"Every fraud causes harm or loss and we will work with our law enforcement partners to stop any and all criminal activity.”

Boy, this isn't Eric Holder talking, is it? Obama's supine attorney attorney general, a literal doormat for the "contributor" corporations that own the White House and Congress. Bush prosecuted over 3,000 cases of financial malfeasance, and put over 1,000 in jail for it. Scorecard for Obama and doormat Holder?

0 arrests, O convictions. Yes We Can't (and I used to be a Democrat, gag).

I think that the coverup with 9/11 is that there was plenty of data to suggest an attack, but either 2+2 wasn't put together OR it was ignored.

This is important because the Patriot Act and other nonsense will be shown to be superfluous, and that the real problem was crunching the information, not collecting it.

One thing we can all agree on here is that there are problems with the official story surrounding the whole 9/11 event. There are other events in our countries history that are also equally problematic and should be investigated further as well.

Many make interesting cases and provide interesting information which can make you think about the whole 9/11 incident in greater depth.

mfs.admin says

One thing we can all agree on here is that there are problems with the official story surrounding the whole 9/11 event

That would entirely depend on what particular problems you are referring to.

mfs.admin says

Many make interesting cases and provide interesting information which can make you think about the whole 9/11 incident in greater depth.

That sounds like a lead in to some conspiracy nonsense. Perhaps you'd like to explain what 'interesting information' you are referring to.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

If? Why not go there and demonstrate to all of us what you'd do? You've obviously got an inordinate amount of free time on your hands. I predict that you'd scuttle away with your tail between your legs given the merest whiff of anyone who was actually caught up in that horrific event.

So your time isn't free Bigsby? Are you paid to troll?

You're retired. You spend a huge amount of time blogging on numerous sites about supposed conspiracies. You spout enormously offensive crap about individuals who have been through barely imaginable traumas and yet you are too much of a chicken shit to actually go and confront these people face-to-face, people you so freely accuse on the internet. That's you Gary. That's what you are. A very sad old man, who doesn't have enough balls to follow through on his baseless assertions.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

You spend a huge amount of time blogging on numerous sites about supposed conspiracies.

How do you know that? Are you shadowing me?

Shadowing you? You post all the time about having your own blog. You post moronic thread after moronic thread on here. You also frequently boast about the idiotic articles you've posted on other sites. Hardly requires me to 'shadow' you to know exactly how you are spending your waning years.

Hey Bigsby....

I read your comment and as far as my post is concerned, I was careful to not go into any detail for the reason that there is a lot of data surrounding the 9/11 event. If we were to discuss is all here, I'd be writing a novel here in the forum and others here would not appreciate that. Instead, I simply mentioned that the event is not a clear, cut and dry situation. With that said, I'm not into conspiracies and all I can say about it is that further investigation is needed. With the current data we have available to us, it's clear that this event is complex and to jump to a quick conclusion as to what occurred would be irresponsible so I chose to instead say that the event and what occurred is not clear to me personally at this time, simply put. Sorry for the confusion......

bgamall4 says

There was data, and the obvious and provable reason 2+2 was not added up was because the government wanted the attack and was in on it. That makes infinitely more sense than the government was incompetent and didn't know better.

The proofs abound that the government knew everything.

You aren't very good at keeping your thoughts together, are you? Exactly what are you now claiming? Try and remember that you believe the government planned the whole thing and planted bombs in the buildings. You seem a bit confused about that in this post.

mfs.admin says

I simply mentioned that the event is not a clear, cut and dry situation.

And I'm simply asking what's not clear, cut and dry? I think the events of that day are extremely clear. That it wasn't prevented is an obvious failure on the part of the intelligence agencies. It happens. And the world was a quite different place over a decade ago, so that kind of failure isn't exactly that surprising. Terrorist attacks still occur around the world today despite the massive ramping up of the intelligence services since then. It simply isn't that easy to stop small groups of determined individuals.

bgamall4 says

I am not discounting that they are the same person.

Er, you were claiming they were definitely the same person in the other thread.

bgamall4 says

But, there are ways of filling in the dent in Rebekah's chin, and change the botox in the lips, and even put caps on teeth. Rebekah's teeth are not perfect, and Kaitlins are too perfect. Until they stand side by side, there are still doubts.

Good grief. They aren't the same person. Just bloody admit it.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

Who will return the integrity of Nixon to the White House?

As opposed to LBJ, Cater, Clinton, Bush 43, Obama, FDR, Wilson, Roosevelt, Lincoln

Clinton reminded me of this joke:

A vacationing penguin is driving his through Arizona when he notices that the oil pressure light is on. He gets out to look and sees oil dripping out of the motor. He drives to the nearest town and stops at the first gas station.

After dropping the car off, the penguin goes for a walk around town. He sees an ice-cream shop and, being a penguin in Arizona, decides that something cold would really hit the spot. He gets a big dish of ice cream and sits down to eat. Having no hands he makes a real mess trying to eat with his flippers. After finishing his ice cream, he goes back to the gas station and asks the mechanic if he's found the problem. The mechanic looks up and says "It looks like you blew a seal."

"No no," the penguin replies, "it's just ice cream."

jazz music says

Ohh, that's just silly

Wow, I gave you more credit than Tat, my mistake

Like only showing Obama up to 2010. Obama - puts to bed the conversation about indebtedness caused by presidents.

Just admit you were wrong and that they aren't the same person. Is it really that difficult for you? You used two photos to try and claim they were the same person. You can do that for many people. The videos above clearly show them to be different people, so you spouting on about injections and caps is ludicrous. Mind, it does rather mess with your laughable conspiracy theory.

sbh says

Depression on its way

OK, let me get out my calendar. Let's see, breadlines by when? How 'bout April 1? That's got a nice ring to it. And riots by June 15.

It really is nothing to joke about. The snap to worse times will be quicker than anyone predicted.

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Here is 2 in a row. Next week will be out of this world. I think we have just started what everyone around here has predicted for a long time. God help us all. Depression on its way. Ug

Gotta graph?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Just admit you were wrong and that they aren't the same person.

Not until someone does a voice comparison or they appear together. And again, troll, it does not stop the mountain of evidence that Sandy Hook was a Zionist hoax.

Voice comparison? Look at their bloody faces. They are clearly two different people. You based your argument on two blurry images and your hugely biased conspiracy leanings. You have two videos in front of you that clearly show your claims to be false. You know that to be the case otherwise you wouldn't have posted it. It's the nearest you ever come to holding up your hands and admitting you were wrong. You were wrong by the way. And you were making major mileage out of this person supposedly being an actress. Your argument was bull just like your hoax theory.

Manufacturing

Chart

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion.

finehoe says

Reagan switched the federal government from what he critically called, a “tax and spend” policy, to a “borrow and spend” policy, where the government continued its heavy spending, but used borrowed money instead of tax revenue to pay the bills. The results were catastrophic. Although it had taken the United States more than 200 years to accumulate the first $1 trillion of national debt, it took only five years under Reagan to add the second one trillion dollars to the debt. By the end of the 12 years of the Reagan-Bush administrations, the national debt had quadrupled to $4 trillion.

Yea but Tip Oneal had something to do with it as well as going off the gold standard.

indigenous says

RentingForHalfTheCost says

Here is 2 in a row. Next week will be out of this world. I think we have just started what everyone around here has predicted for a long time. God help us all. Depression on its way. Ug

Gotta graph?

Take notice of the morning spike in volume as many seasoned investors are starting the dumping when the market opens with any strength. Not a good sign.

Dow takes a dump

The Professor says

No need to apologize to Bigsby. He is in the top ten most ignored people on Patnet for a reason. It is suspected that he is a government troll tasked with spreading disinformation on the Internet. Or maybe he is just gullible and lonely.

Duh, the Professor scuttles out of the dark to post more of his drivel. Should I point out to the poster that you're a conspiracy nut in the same vein as Bgamall? And I'm a government troll, am I? That must be because I'm not American and don't live in the US presumably.

The Professor says

There are OBVIOUS problems with the official story of 911, which have been iterated on other threads. Bigsby seldom addresses the facts and often goes on personal attacks or changes the subject to something ridiculous.

I deal in facts all the time. The whole point is that you and Bgamall completely ignore facts from actual scientists in favour of people who post up Youtube videos. Says it all really.

The Professor says

If we do not question the official BS they serve us we will end up in worse shape as a country than we already are.

Question all you want but try and use your brain when you do so. Posting up Youtube videos made by 20 year olds with no background on the topic at hand isn't 'questioning the official BS,' it's being infantile in your analysis of a complex event that you have no scientific knowledge of.

The Professor says

No need to apologize to Bigsby. He is in the top ten most ignored people on Patnet for a reason. It is suspected that he is a government troll tasked with spreading disinformation on the Internet. Or maybe he is just gullible and lonely.

There are OBVIOUS problems with the official story of 911, which have been iterated on other threads. Bigsby seldom addresses the facts and often goes on personal attacks or changes the subject to something ridiculous.

You don't have to be cowed by people that call you a "conspiracy theorist" or "troofer" or any of those other names they use to personally attack anyone that questions the governments BS. If we do not question the official BS they serve us we will end up in worse shape as a country than we already are.

Brought to you by the people that caused 911.

Thanks Professor and I was not irritated or upset by Bigsby's comment. I do not know of him here and when he questioned my comment, my belief was that I may have been unclear about what I said. With this new information you have given me, I'll now know that Bigsby likes to stir the pot, which for me makes the conversation fun and to Bigsby, I'm not mad and I welcome your comments to my posts. I like individuals who question things and are passionate about their beliefs, even when they are not received well as your comments are here in the forum. All of you here on Patrick are awesome and any judgement leveled on me in any forum I participate in is welcome, fun and entertaining so keep on keeping on!!!!

Damn, I'm losing my touch!!! It's been 5 minutes since I refreshed and Bigsby hasn't flamed me out for my comment so now I'm going to have to drown my sorrows in a bottle of vodka, maybe even play a few rounds of Russian Roulette or something...........I love you man.......LOL

Next week news break ",The Rise of the Planet of the Apes," is not fiction.

The Professor says

According to the official story two airplanes caused three buildings to collapse into a pile of twisted broken steel and pulverized concrete.

Perhaps mfs might like to remember that comment when considering the veracity of the arguments you post.

mfs.admin says

I do not know of him here and when he questioned my comment, my belief was that I may have been unclear about what I said.

You didn't say anything. That was the point. You questioned the official line without stating what it was that you questioned. I asked you to clarify and you haven't. It is as simple as that.

Well, I'll say this about it, I definitely don't buy into the 9/11 commissions official story, that's for sure. In my case, the jet fuel wouldn't burn hot enough to melt the steel beams of the WTC, second, the whole Building 7 collapse dilemma. Also, the large gold reserve that existed below the WTC melting away and evaporating into thin air.

Third, which is my own thing; if I were the terrorists and I really wanted to destroy US commerce, I would have crashed one of the planes into the Empire State Building to spread the destruction, making transportation through the 34th Street subway station difficult or impossible, crippling Manhattan for years because 34th Street is a main transfer hub to most of the important train lines that bring passengers from other boroughs into Manhattan. By only crashing the WTC, they limited the damage to the edge of Manhattan, allowing business to continue uninterrupted in midtown and upper Manhattan for the most part. I would have crashed the other into the Chrysler Building, that way all of Manhattan would have become inaccessible by multiple transportation types. The Chrysler Building is closer to the 59th Street bridge, so now cars would have had difficulty getting into Manhattan and the Midtown Tunnel would be a mess with the Empire State in ruins. I'd figure that if you had a brain you'd immediately come to this conclusion, so when I saw the attack occur in such a tight area, I came to the realization that it was a setup because the quote "terrorists" were not good planners considering that Osama and his buddies supposedly took years to come up with this plan, whereas I came up with this opinion in 5 minutes and I'm not a terrorist who's mission was to destroy America

I would love to hear from Bigsby right now because his opinion on my vision of the attack as I would have done it is valuable and as he said.........

Bigsby says

I deal in facts all the time. The whole point is that you and Bgamall completely ignore facts from actual scientists in favour of people who post up Youtube videos. Says it all really.

Bigsby says

Question all you want but try and use your brain when you do so. Posting up Youtube videos made by 20 year olds with no background on the topic at hand isn't 'questioning the official BS,' it's being infantile in your analysis of a complex event that you have no scientific knowledge of.