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Depends on if the mother is receiving child support from the father.
If she files for government assistance for her child, the state will go after the father for CS payments, and keep anything they collect in return for the state providing the assistance.
If the father is supplying CS payments, not sure if the mother can collect anything from the state. Maybe the rules are different state by state?

indigenous says

SoftShell says

Force paternity tests at gunpoint to verify the father, then make him pick trash off the interstates for 10-20 hrs/week so the mother can collect from the state.

They caused the hell.....make em pay.

But are they getting state child support (welfare) now?

SoftShell says

You wage the wars that have the greatest chance of success.

Going up against the corporations that own us, or the war machine that protects us, or the banks that pay us is a fools errand.

Total cop out. And war profiteering actually endangers us. The more profit there is in war, the more war profiteers will cause cause and terrorism. This is obvious.

sbh says

SoftShell says

Thus proving that the right actually gets ideas of substance passed that provides compassionate care to everyone.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa you're such a fucking idiot.

You give softshell far too much credit.

the only idiot i've ever fucked is your mother.

sbh says

SoftShell says

Thus proving that the right actually gets ideas of substance passed that provides compassionate care to everyone.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa

sbh says

SoftShell says

Thus proving that the right actually gets ideas of substance passed that provides compassionate care to everyone.

HaHaHaHaHaHaHa you're such a fucking idiot.

I know...It's bitter, especially around here, to have to admit that EMTALA occurred under Reagan, the Republican's watch.

* requires hospitals to provide emergency health care treatment to all regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.

* no reimbursement provisions, the ill person is provided totally free service.

Kinda blows a cannonhole in the standard liberal shtick painting the Right as uncaring to those in need.

bob2356 says

You give softshell far too much credit.

When the US has reached mexican levels of corruption, crime, and violence that is the standard for mexican politics I would be all in favor of such a card.

Why is it no can find all this voter fraud the voter ID is supposed to prevent? If you repeat a lie often enough some people believe it. Works for fox news.

bob2356 says

Why is it no can find all this voter fraud the voter ID is supposed to prevent?

OTOH ACORN doesn't exude integrity, would O have won with out them???

SoftShell says

I know...It's bitter, especially around here, to have to admit that EMTALA occurred under Reagan, the Republican's watch.

* requires hospitals to provide emergency health care treatment to all regardless of citizenship, legal status, or ability to pay.

* no reimbursement provisions, the ill person is provided totally free service.

Kinda blows a cannonhole in the standard liberal shtick painting the Right as uncaring to those in need.

Kind of blows not to know what you are talking about. EMTALA was 4 pages in the 600+ page COBRA bill. Someone in the democratic controlled house slipped it into COBRA probably because they wanted the corporate hospitals to stop dumping unprofitable medicare medicaid ER patients, while accepting them as regular admissions for more profitable procedures.

There isn't a record of who authored EMTALA, but I would be willing to bet it wasn't a repubilican.. It's not like the republican party went out and championed EMTALA, they didn't read the bill (Reagan certainly didn't read it) and didn't catch it is all.

On further review, I agree with you on this.
That was not what I was trying to say, but I shit it out, so I retract it, and replace it with this:

All the wars that need to be waged should be waged, both long term and short term. Some people prefer to prosecute the long term problems. I prefer to engage the situations that can be resolved in the near term as I am results oriented.

Feel free to rip my new position to shreds....

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

You wage the wars that have the greatest chance of success.


Going up against the corporations that own us, or the war machine that protects us, or the banks that pay us is a fools errand.

Total cop out.

This, truly, is Damning Evidence.

zzyzzx says

I agree...so why are you commenting on it?

bob2356 says

Kind of blows not to know what you are talking about.

bob2356 says

There isn't a record of who authored EMTALA, but I would be willing to bet it wasn't a repubilican.. It's not like the republican party went out and championed EMTALA, they didn't read the bill (Reagan certainly didn't read it) and didn't catch it is all.

indigenous says

bob2356 says

Why is it no can find all this voter fraud the voter ID is supposed to prevent?

OTOH ACORN doesn't exude integrity, would O have won with out them???

After tons of investigations no one found anything other than some fraudulent registrations from workers too lazy to actually go out and get real ones. Which doesn't matter since they would be rejected at the elections board anyway.

You do know the registrations get checked for validity by the election board don't you? You know that groups (like acorn) that collect registrations are required by law to turn them into the elections board even if they say mickey mouse and donald duck. Apparently soft shell doesn't.

I volunteered at the local elections board years ago for several elections. Maybe you should try it so you can see what nonsense all this election fraud bullshit is. Other than some local yokel podunk 200 vote elections all the election fraud today is done at the statehouse level by your elected officials. Things like redistricting, dumping voter records, putting 1 hard to get to election station in a poor area with thousands of voters, creative "problems" with the electronic voting machines (why would legislators specifically refuse to allow a duplicate paper copy of the votes as a backup I wonder), and yes voter id requirements.

Jesus Christ! Project much??

sbh says

SoftShell says

the only idiot i've ever fucked is your mother.

No one asked for your life story, and besides, witnesses testified you were soft the whole time, so she flipped you over and fisted you for 45 minutes.

bob2356 says

Things like redistricting

It is heartening to see Maxine Waters cry foul when she has been using gerrymandering to her benefit for years.

bob2356 says

dumping voter records

Do tell?

bob2356 says

putting 1 hard to get to election station in a poor area with thousands of voters

Please tell me more about that?

indigenous says

bob2356 says

Things like redistricting

It is heartening to see Maxine Waters cry foul when she has been using gerrymandering to her benefit for years.

bob2356 says

dumping voter records

Do tell?

bob2356 says

putting 1 hard to get to election station in a poor area with thousands of voters

Please tell me more about that?

Willfull ignorance isn't for me to correct. BTW I never said either party was more or less guilty. It must be so much easier to just regurgitate whatever gets poured into your brain rather than thinking for yourself. Maybe I'll have to try the FOX/AM dial or the flip side MSNBC/CNN one day to see.

bob2356 says

It must be so much easier to just regurgitate whatever gets poured into your brain rather than thinking for yourself.

Bullshit, I rarely lose a debate to you. You made the assertion so back it up otherwise I will ignore it.

SoftShell says

Illegal immigrants have everything to gain by making sure the party that favors their presence and will offer them a 'no strings attached' chance at citizenship, democrats, are in power.

That's absolute nonsense. Once again, no proof this is happening in any appreciable number, and you still don't understand the lack of incentive here.

Very little point discussing this with someone so willfully ignorant and who seems unable to think critically.

Agreed.
Let me know when you wise up.

corntrollio says

Very little point discussing this with someone so willfully ignorant and who seems unable to think critically.

Who's that?
Goddamn fuckin DUMBASS!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA\

sbh says

This is what Indigence does

SoftShell says

All the wars that need to be waged should be waged, both long term and short term

When reducing one's expenses to fit a budget, the biggest wasteful spending must be addressed first. That's not a political position; it's fiscal common sense. You have to stop the hemorrhaging of money before you tend to minor scrapes.

Dan8267 says

When reducing one's expenses to fit a budget, the biggest wasteful spending must be addressed first.

That would be the entitlements.

indigenous says

Dan8267 says

When reducing one's expenses to fit a budget, the biggest wasteful spending must be addressed first.

That would be the entitlements.

That becomes a judgment on whether the military and current wars are more or less wasteful than the social programs we have. If no one talks specifics, this is just going to be abstract idealogical Dem vs Repub talking points BS.

indigenous says

That would be the entitlements.

That would be the family international vacations to participate in Paintgun wars, plus all the expensive paint gun armor, paint gun drones, etc.

You cut discretionary spending first in a household, not the food, health, and retirement.

We need a few dozen SSBNs, a handful of destroyers and maritime patrol craft for pirates, and the widespread ownership of firearms does the rest. Ain't no one gonna mess with us.

Rew says

That becomes a judgment on whether the military and current wars are more or less wasteful than the social programs we have. If no one talks specifics, this is just going to be abstract idealogical Dem vs Repub talking points BS.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget

Shows 940 billion goes to entitlements and 670 goes to war

Wars would be easier to end if we can get enough to smell the coffee.

thunderlips11 says

That would be the family international vacations to participate in Paintgun wars, plus all the expensive paint gun armor, paint gun drones, etc.

You forgot about the $300 lunches for Michelle.

indigenous says

bob2356 says

It must be so much easier to just regurgitate whatever gets poured into your brain rather than thinking for yourself.

Bullshit, I rarely lose a debate to you. You made the assertion so back it up otherwise I will ignore it.

If you don't know the definition of lose then it doesn't happen.

bob2356 says

If you don't know the definition of lose then it doesn't happen.

So that is your answer a spelling error. Bullshit...

Oh my bad you were not referring to the spelling which is correct but to your self complacent idea that you have won these debates. Typically you just fade away and quit answering. This is not winning it is you running out of arguments.

I listen to both sides as in this case when controlio indicated that the voter fraud was really just a myth. I'm not convinced though about ACORN or illegals as my understanding is that 1/3 of welfare in the whole country does go to Calif with 12% of the population there has to be some very generous welfare.

indigenous says

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2013_United_States_federal_budget

Shows 940 billion goes to entitlements and 670 goes to war

Wars would be easier to end if we can get enough to smell the coffee.

673 for defense plus State, Intelligence, Homeland Security, and Veteran's Affairs. That adds up to 980. All except about 80 is discretionary.

$900B of the $1.26T of the discretionary budget is related to warring and defense.

control point says

$900B of the $1.26T of the discretionary budget is related to warring and defense.

Cept 670B was spent. The fact that so much was discretionary would imply that it would be easier to cut the defense budget.

indigenous says

Cept 670B was spent.

What?

indigenous says

The fact that so much was discretionary would imply that it would be easier to cut the defense budget.

Would be easier. Just have to get some politicians willing to cut something on that side of the house..

control point says

Would be easier. Just have to get some politicians willing to cut something on that side of the house..

If we could swing more to Libertarian thinking it is possible. We need the equivalent of a modern day Thomas Payne to affect this. People need to realize that defense spending is crony capitalism and wars are provoked in order to justify the expense.

control point says

Cept 670B was spent.

What?

This was the actual number spent no conjecture about it.

sbh says

SoftShell says

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

That's what you said when my 85 year old mother took your balls home in her purse.

WTF damn you would have to come up a couple of notches to be sophomoric...

sbh says

I guess you missed the part where he was bragging about fucking my mother.

Oh ok...

This where people come to figure out the future, and you two are going on about each other's mother, you have to admit that is LOL funny?

Get the story straight.
Your mother was fucking me.

sbh says

WTF damn you would have to come up a couple of notches to be sophomoric...

I guess you missed the part where he was bragging about fucking my mother.

I know it looks bad, but I'm in the process of rehabilitating SBH...so there are some awkward moments...

indigenous says

This where people come to figure out the future, and you two are going on about each other's mother, you have to admit that is LOL funny?

indigenous says

Oh my bad you were not referring to the spelling which is correct but to your self complacent idea that you have won these debates. Typically you just fade away and quit answering. This is not winning it is you running out of arguments.

I listen to both sides as in this case when controlio indicated that the voter fraud was really just a myth. I'm not convinced though about ACORN or illegals as my understanding is that 1/3 of welfare in the whole country does go to Calif with 12% of the population there has to be some very generous welfare.

Is there a point here? I missed the part where you agreed about voter fraud being a myth. So far you haven't presented any evidence at all that illegals are voting or even why they would expose themselves to scrutiny by registering to vote or how the elections boards would approve them to vote. Much less how it is being done in numbers large enough to affect the outcome of elections in a state as large as California. Your only point of fact is that California, which is the largest state, has the most welfare spending (surprise surprise) and many illegals. So in your mind that means illegals must be voting in people who vote for more welfare for illegals. That is certainly logic on the level with Socrates and Plato. (Your understanding is wrong, it's not 33% of the welfare going to California it's 25 billion out of 167 billion or 15%, this is not hard to look up).

If this represents winning the discussion then I agree, you have certainly have won.

the 1/3 and 12% is hard not to find

http://www.utsandiego.com/news/2012/Jul/28/welfare-capital-of-the-us/

Agreed.
But your sentence is irrelevant to my post.

sbh says

SoftShell says

Get the story straight.


Your mother was fucking me.

sbh says

WTF damn you would have to come up a couple of notches to be sophomoric...

I guess you missed the part where he was bragging about fucking my mother.

Bragging is almost always lying,