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bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

It would have made far more sense to have completed the vaccinations so as to cover their actions.

Not if they don't give a shit.

They may not have. But like I said, discuss what they did. Don't just pay lip service to it so that you can drag up your Sandy Hook bullshit once again.

Hummer Best car GM ever built.

bgamall4 says

And, Bigsby, why don't you defend Israel concerning the false flag Lavon Affair while you are at it. Dipshit.

Off on one of your moronic tangents again, I see. Remind me again why you think I would want to defend Israel.

bgamall4 says

There is no bullshit about Sandy Hook. You still have not and cannot rebuff my claims about Robbie Parker's behavior. That was a hoax, just like this vaccine incident was a hoax. Same damned government, Bigsby.

Same old nonsensical Gary. There is nothing in that video that is remotely strange except to a conspiracy loon like you, so I'm at a loss to know what you think I need to rebuff. You're so far out on the loony fringe that I'm sure you make your fellow 9/11 conspiracists nervous.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Off on one of your moronic tangents again, I see. Remind me again why you think I would want to defend Israel.

Because you defend all Zionist conspiracies as not being conspiracies.

They are only 'Zionist conspiracies' to your befuddled mind. To most everyone else, Sandy Hook and Boston were terrible events caused by a very troubled individual and a couple of religiously motivated terrorists.

GM cars are made by unions members with no incentive to work hard.
Their only incentive is to goof off .
Garbage in....garbage out.

Strategist says

GM cars are made by unions members with no incentive to work hard.

Their only incentive is to goof off .

Garbage in....garbage out.

Way to completely miss the point. The gripe was with design flaws and cheap made-to-break parts that get used in new vehicles. These aren't union members making these decisions, they are engineers, advertisers, and most aggregious: business assholes who make cynical decisions about the durability of the products the company will produce.
It's YOUR class of asshole who is to blame, not comparatively low paid union members who actually put the cars together.

bgamall4 says

Again you lie. A Sandy Hook parent can be traced directly to a fundraiser for Mayor Bloomberg, the main guy against gun rights and how much soda you can drink in NYC.

Good grief.

bgamall4 says

You lie because a former president of Italy said 9/11 was carried out by the CIA and Mossad.

Good for him. He was a befuddled old man who managed to utterly contradict himself in the space of a few months. Proof indeed! Out of interest, how does him contradicting himself make me a liar?

bgamall4 says

Still working on the Boston bombing. Clearly they used red paint instead of blood. But Sandy Hook, the tearless, emotionless hoax, is much easier to prove at this point.

Wow, we can all rest easier at night knowing you're on the job Gary. And Sandy Hook is much easier to prove, is it? Obviously your level of proof is not equivalent to that needed by most everyone else who inhabits planet Earth.

Quigley says

Strategist says

GM cars are made by unions members with no incentive to work hard.

Their only incentive is to goof off .

Garbage in....garbage out.

Way to completely miss the point. The gripe was with design flaws and cheap made-to-break parts that get used in new vehicles. These aren't union members making these decisions, they are engineers, advertisers, and most aggregious: business assholes who make cynical decisions about the durability of the products the company will produce.

It's YOUR class of asshole who is to blame, not comparatively low paid union members who actually put the cars together.

Toyota certainly has no problems. What are they doing right, and why can't we do the same thing?

Strategist says

GM cars are made by unions members with no incentive to work hard.

Plenty of them are made in Mexico, not by UAW members.

Strategist says

Toyota certainly has no problems. What are they doing right, and why can't we do the same thing?

Corrected:
Ford certainly has no problems. What are they doing right, and why can't GM do the same thing?

If it matters, I do own a GM car, as well as a Ford. Both made in Michigan (Lansing and Wayne).

zzyzzx says

If it matters, I do own a GM car, as well as a Ford. Both made in Michigan (Lansing and Wayne).

It's all Obama's fault.

Strategist says

zzyzzx says

If it matters, I do own a GM car, as well as a Ford. Both made in Michigan (Lansing and Wayne).

It's all Obama's fault.

My Prius....2 years old - 50,000 miles - Just like new.
WOW.

Quigley says

GM cars are made by unions members with no incentive to work hard.

Way to completely miss the point. The gripe was with design flaws and cheap
made-to-break parts that get used in new vehicles. These aren't union members
making these decisions, they are engineers, advertisers, and most aggregious:
business assholes who make cynical decisions about the durability of the
products the company will produce.

Agreed. I've got 30 years in the auto repair business. General Motors is one of the worst offenders when it comes to pushing out crap product, and having a huge loyal "Buy American" market base. Mechanically, the designs are haphazard with no learning from past mistakes, no accounting for service needs once it leaves the factory, and right as the product has evolved to an acceptable build level, the design is thrown out the window for the "new" product to be pushed out, flaws and all.

It's almost always people who know nothing about how cars work that blame the assembly line workers and their union 100%.

For that matter, the adversarial manner in which management treats workers exemplifies the ongoing need for unions. Look at the way German factories consider and treat their workers, even in the USA.

Funny that you got so slaughtered in the previous GM thread that you had to create this one:

http://patrick.net/?p=1242993

Call it Crazy says

corntrollio says

Out of the more than 2 million cars recalled, only 1460 were designed and built during the "Government Motors" era.

Still think so????

Yes, that quote is absolutely true with reference to all GM cars recalled on May 20th, 2014. I stand completely behind it, in front of it, and to its side. For the rest, here you go:

New GM:
Jan. 13: 324,970 of the 2014 Chevrolet Silverado and 2014 GMC Sierra for overheated exhaust parts
Feb 20: 355 of the 2014 Buick Enclave, LaCrosse, Regal and Verano; 2014 Chevrolet Cruze, Impala, Malibu and Travers[sic]; 2014 GMC Acadia for transmission shift cable adjuster (not a safety issue, btw, unless you are incompetent, and not all are new GM)
March 17: 656 of the Cadillac ELR for electronic brake control
March 28: 174,046 of the 2013-14 Chevrolet Cruze for front axle shaft
March 28: 489, 936 of the 2014 Chevrolet Silverado, 2014 GMC Sierra, 2015 Chevrolet Tahoe and Suburban, 2014 GMC Yukon and Yukon XL for oil cooler fitting.
April 24: 51 of the 2015 Chevrolet Silverado HD and 2014 GMC Sierra HD for diesel transfer pump (not a safety issue)
May 7: 8,208 of the 2014 Chevrolet Malibu and 2104 Buick Lacrosse for brake rotors
May 14: 19,225 of the 2014 Cadillac CTS for windshield wipers (not a safety issue)
May 14: 140,067 of the 2014 Malibu for brake boost
May 16: 1,402 of the 2015 Cadillac Escalade for passenger air bag
May 19: 58 of the 2015 Chevrolet Silverado HD and 2015 GMC Sierra HD for loose fuse block

That's 1.16 million cars, but some of those actually overlap (the GM trucks), so it's probably actually not that many. In fact, several things on your list probably overlap. New GM is 6% of the total recall for this year.

Again, recalls are good -- it means that a problem was detected and a fix was made available. The other good news is that no fatalities actually occurred due to these problems, and very few injuries have occurred.

GM is much better than the numerous car makers that do not issue formal recalls. In addition, as you can see from the list, several of them caught a bad part or bad process on the assembly line, which means that the rest of the production year will not have that problem -- again, a very good thing.

People who trash recalls don't really understand manufacturing. Other manufacturers don't admit problems for years and years (see Toyota with engine sludging, for example), and manufacturing problems are bound to happen. You are bound to get a bad part from a supplier every so often, which is what happened in some of these cases.

Call it Crazy says

Once again, cherry picking ONE DATE to make a point..... Oh boy...

You took my quote out of context -- I was specifically talking about yesterday's recalls, and you know that.

In addition, you didn't read my previous posts -- look above where I pointed out that only 6% of the recalls are new GM, and many of those are overlapping probably anyway.

New GM is anything where the design cycle occurred under new GM. A 2012 Malibu is old GM because the design occurred well before 2008-2009.

You very clearly don't understand the auto business, and you don't really have anything of substance to say.

Strategist says

zzyzzx says

If it matters, I do own a GM car, as well as a Ford. Both made in Michigan (Lansing and Wayne).

It's all Obama's fault.

Both cars were made well before Obama was even in the senate.

corntrollio says

Please name all GM cars sold in the US that are made in Mexico.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_General_Motors_factories

Chevrolet Aveo
Pontiac G3
Pontiac Wave

http://www.businessinsider.com/gm-invests-691-million-in-mexico-plants-2013-6

The U.S. automaker builds the Chevrolet Silverado and GMC Sierra pickup trucks in Silao; Chevy Sonic and Captiva, and Cadillac SRX vehicles in Ramos Arizpe; and the Chevy Aveo, Trax and Tracker vehicles in San Luis Potosi.

I am still trying to determine exactly what is made in Silao since that may have changed last December. Several references to just engine and transmissions were made as well.

Call it Crazy says

GM is recalling 58 2015 Chevy Silverado and GMC Sierra being recalled due to a fire risk.

I stand behind my quote -- some of these recalls do not make the car unsafe right away. Even for this truck recall, the fire risk is if you leave the car idling for long periods of time unattended and don't pay attention to warning lights that indicate a problem. The only people affected have been those who start up the car in their driveway in cold weather and leave it there for an extended period of time. Note that this is unlikely to happen for the next several months in most of the United States because winter is over. Fire risk doesn't generally mean your car is going to be in flames if you drive it for a mile to the dealership.

The reality is that people who know nothing about cars, like you, shit their pants when there is a recall. Manufacturing problems happen. I've had recalls on Japanese cars and German cars I've owned too. Most of them were inconsequential, and some were silent (i.e. engine reprogram they did automatically at the next service interval).

One recall was for replacing the headlights to make sure they met the DOT cut-off. I did not rush into the dealership for that one. Another was because they didn't provide a warning in the manual that you need to keep the sunroof drains clear, so they gave me a supplemental page for my manual. Woohoo!

The ignition switch, that was old GM's bad, for sure. But most of the rest can be fixed quite quickly and aren't going to cause many problems.

Call it Crazy says

corntrollio says

The other good news is that no fatalities actually occurred due to these problems, and very few injuries have occurred.

REALLY???

End of 2013: GM determines that the faulty ignition switch is to blame for at least 31 crashes and 13 death

Iif you take my quote out of context, then yes, it might be wrong when you apply it to stuff I wasn't talking about. I listed several specific recalls, and absolutely no fatalities occurred from them as far as I can tell. I already acknowledged the ignition switch thing in the other thread where you got destroyed.

zzyzzx says

Pontiac Wave

Not sold in the US. That was Canada only and it was later renamed the G3.

zzyzzx says

Trax and Tracker

Not US either. They are the same car, actually. The Trax will come to the US in 2015, I believe, but is currently Mexico, Canada, Korea, and Australia (as the Holden Trax). The Tracker is the same car, but the badging used for Brazil and Russia, if I remember correctly.

bgamall4 says

Francine Wheeler was employed by DNC fundraiser, White. White has close connections to Bloomberg and Obama: http://memoryholeblog.com/2013/10/13/sandy-hook-actors-elite-political-connections/

I love it when you say "good grief". It shows how dumb you really are.

You don't get it, do you? Every single person on the planet has connections with other people. Even you. Probably. The connections you've just listed are totally and utterly irrelevant to your claims of Sandy Hook being a hoax. Your arguments are just fucking moronic. Seriously, what do you think you are demonstrating with this? What kind of proof of your hoax claims do you think this represents? I swear you inhabit a parallel universe, one where logic and common sense don't exist.

Call it Crazy says

You just wanted to "spin" it a different way because you're a GM rah rah.... We already got that part...

I am not a GM rah rah. I am an auto enthusiast. GM makes some very good cars right now. I would never defend a company that makes pieces of shit, like Mitsubishi.

In any case, you've never disputed *anything* I've said -- you've just tried to take quotes out of context and use a non sequitur to make a different point.

Call it Crazy says

Funny... I haven't had a SINGLE recall on my Honda....

Lucky you, there have been plenty of recalls on late model Hondas -- here is merely a sampling:

http://www.motortrend.com/used_cars/01/honda/recalls/

bgamall4 says

And if you cannot debunk the fact that these people were actors, and were acting a part, you have to accept that these connections mean something.

Debunk what? Your logic is so fucking screwed up it would embarrass a four year-old. You have my sympathy. Inhabiting your screwed up little world must be a pitifully sad state to end up in your few remaining years.

socal2 says

Just imagine how much worse California government's services, budgets and liabilities would be today if they pegged more of their tax receipts to California's volatile property values during the bubble years? Talk about Armageddon! The fuckers would be closing libraries, schools, parks, power during the crash until we agreed to pay up with unpayable bonds or higher taxes to fund them.

You are mixing up state government vs. local government.

Prop 13 starves local government and gives control to the state. The state government is the incompetent (and unaccountable) one, and ergo California has become more incompetent over time. I would be very happy with more local control of things like schools -- it would make them much better overall than under the current state domination.

bgamall4 says

Debunk the fact that he is an actor on a stage at that press conference. Are you mad? Crazy? Debunk it or don't post.

Oh, right, how am I supposed to debunk something that is purely a creation of your infantile and fact free imagination?

Anyway, as you've started resorting to deleting posts and spouting off your all too predictable acting nonsense, I may as well call it a day. A person can only take so much of your incoherent, fact and logic free arguments.

corntrollio says

Call it Crazy says

Funny... I haven't had a SINGLE recall on my Honda....

Lucky you, there have been plenty of recalls on late model Hondas -- here is merely a sampling:

http://www.motortrend.com/used_cars/01/honda/recalls/

No cars are perfect, and all manufactures can have recalls. Granted.
Now look at GM 50 years ago, when GM said they would drive the Japanese cars into the ocean, and look at them today.....completely dependent on government handouts and patriotism.
Even on a clear day you will not see GM again.
This company can only be described as a loser. I hope, and it may well, make a come back with cars like the Volt. The Volt is a technological marvel with both beauty and brains. Ofcourse, Tesla is better, but most people like me cannot afford one.

corntrollio says

The state government is the incompetent (and unaccountable) one, and ergo
California has become more incompetent over time.

In California, many of the local governments are just as incompetent as the State government (thanks public sector unions!). Look at all of the massive cities going through bankruptcy in California (Stockton, San Bernardino, Vallejo).

Vallejo is getting ready to go through bankruptcy for a SECOND TIME since they refused to reform their pension liabilities the first time.

LA is facing budget deficits for at least the next 3 years.
http://www.latimes.com/local/la-me-city-budget-20140418-story.html

Thanks to the madness of the State Constitution that enshrines pension liabilities above all else and CALPERS suing everyone, more and more cities are going to have to cut services and raise taxes to keep feeding their pension obligations.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Oh, right, how am I supposed to debunk something that is purely a creation of your infantile and fact free imagination?

See, that is where you are lying and are a putz. It is obvious to many that he is acting, and he even asked for his que card. You can't believe anything you see with your eyes. I bet if your wife was banging your neighbor you would deny that it was happening even if you walked in on them.

You cannot visualize your own stupidity, that is for certain.

Wow, he read from notes. Extraordinary. You'd think an actor would be able to memorize his lines...
And it's you who replaces the real with your loony conspiracies. It's you who would probably think that your wife banging the neighbour was a zionist conspiracy. After all, you see a zionist conspiracy under every bed.

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Wow, he read from notes.

Notes he did not write.

Oohhh, so Gary, who wrote them?

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

bgamall4 says

Bigsby says

Wow, he read from notes.

Notes he did not write.

Oohhh, so Gary, who wrote them?

We know he didn't write them or he would have recognized the card on his own, dufus.

What are you talking about? He carried his notes from the building, through the door and to the microphones. Make up shit much, do you?

bgamall4 says

No, he did not carry the card he was supposed to read with him. Look at the video again.

Complete and utter bullshit. This is the press conference:

http://www.youtube.com/embed/0JoeXAFBbpQ

What was he holding when he walked out? Those are his notes you sad, sad man.

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

Say hey! This was in the Wall Street Journal on March 30, 1999. Note "... how much it will buy."

Holy cow/interesting/compelling ...!

And where is it up to date??? Right here ... see the first chart shown in this thread.
Recent Dow day is Wednesday, May 21, 2014 __ Level is 104.2

WOW! It is hideous that this is hidden! Is there any such "Homes, Inflation Adjusted"? Yes! This was in the New York Times on August 27, 2006:

And up to date (by me) is here:
http://patrick.net/?p=1219038&c=999083#comment-999083

WOW! The UNtrustworthy are certainly in control of what information is apparent to the people!

And "ThePublic Be Suckered"
http://patrick.net/?p=1230886

socal2 says

Thank God for prop 13, it is just about the only throttle on the totally incompetent libs running California who are intent on marching the entire State to bankruptcy.

Then how did the aberration of the 60s and 70s happen, when UC schools were practically free, and California schools in general were the envy of the nation ? Not to mention the infrastructure and other productive govt spending that occurred in that era.

The idea that higher tax revenues would simply be wasted is right wing propaganda generated by corporations and the wealthy who want to pay lower taxes. It's easy to understand why they send this message. They find plenty of gullible fools that pass their message on, in part because they are all "me too!" on the question of lower taxes.

marcus says

Then how did the aberration of the 60s and 70s happen, when UC schools were
practically free, and California schools in general were the envy of the nation
? Not to mention the infrastructure and other productive govt spending that
occurred in that era.

California allowed public sector unions in 1968.

Unsuprisingly, since then the quality of our government services have declined, taxes have gone, major cities have gone bankrupt as more and more of our tax dollars go to pay salaries and Ponzi Scheme pensions instead of building roads, schools, treatment plants.

I wouldn't gripe about my already high taxes if I knew it went to pay for vital infrastructure, schools and services. Instead, we have a State that pisses the money away on an appalling large list of useless agencies and rich people who got to retire in their mid 50's (like several of my neighbors) with 6 figure pensions for the rest of their natural lives.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_California_state_agencies

Also - since I bought my house in 2011, it has apparently increased in value by over $250K.

I haven't taken any equity out or benefitted financially in any way. I think this is just phantom money. How is it fair to raise my taxes based on these volatile bubble increases?

What about the old couple that bought their home for $100K 30+ years ago, and now their home is worth $600K. They would lose their home if they had to pay the higher tax rate based on the new appraisals.

How is that fair?

socal2 says

What about the old couple that bought their home for $100K 30+ years ago, and now their home is worth $600K. They would lose their home if they had to pay the higher tax rate based on the new appraisals.

How is that fair?

Explain how it's fair that their neighbor who just moved in pays taxes on a tax base of $600K and gets the same services.

Moreover, that old couple should move into smaller housing that they can handle and let a family move into their old house, like in other states, but Prop 13 discourages that and encourages inefficient use of property and artificially raises the cost of property by constraining inventory. Inheriting tax bases is also a huge problem.

And giving state government so much power over local issues is a really big problem.

socal2 says

In California, many of the local governments are just as incompetent as the State government (thanks public sector unions!). Look at all of the massive cities going through bankruptcy in California (Stockton, San Bernardino, Vallejo).

But not all, certainly. In addition, Prop 13 just means you pay high sales tax to local government in order to compensate for lack of property tax revenue. I'd still much rather have local control of things like schools, rather than having the state government control them. There's a reason the good school districts in California depend on parcel taxes and foundations to fund education.

Public employee pensions are a big problem (should have never been allowed to unionize for one thing), but a lot of jurisdictions have solved that problem for current and future employees by cutting benefits significantly. It's been a gravy train for boomer types for sure.

corntrollio says

Explain how it's fair that their neighbor who just moved in pays taxes on a tax
base of $600K and gets the same services.

Its totally fair. As the young couple buying the $600K house is factoring in their tax liability and can budget accordingly. The old couple won't be using the schools as they already paid 30+ years in taxes to utilize City services to raise their kids

Whereas the old couple who bought 30 years ago could never have dreamed their house value would appreciate so much. So if they just paid off their mortgage like normal people and never pulled equity out or took loans, why should they be taxed 6X higher for simply staying in their family home?

Apparently you think they should just be forced from their homes? Liberalism is so compassionate!

Face it, our politicians (especially in California) at both the State and Local level have absolutely no restraint and will spend money as fast as it comes in. They STILL BELIEVE that their pension funds are somehow solvent. Vallejo is going bankrupt AGAIN because they refused to reform their pension liabilities during their first bankruptcy in 2008. They can never dig or cut enough services to cover the pension costs.

So if California politicians were allowed to grow and run government based on massive increases in property taxes in the bubble years, we would be even more screwed today as they never plan for downturns and rarely reduce their labor costs thanks to union protections.

Call it Crazy says

That's more than just a few... There are some MAJOR quality and management issues at the NEW Government Motors...

Which is not true -- again, 94% of the recalls are old GM. Nice fake talking points, but you know very little about the company and its product.