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Eman
2014 Jul 10, 1:28pm
InhVe been married for almost 13 years. We have a 4.5 year old daughter. I would trade all of my wealth for her.
Sorry, not buying it because the timing looks like it was early in life.
You don't have to buy it, and I'm not trying to convince you. I dated my wife for over 7 years. Married her at the age of 28. Had our first baby girl at 36. I haven't had a full time for almost 5 years.
As you know, I invest in real estate. Now, I make my money from real estate syndications, referrals, and passive income from real estate investments. I don't go to work. I spend most of my time with my daughter. We go eat, shop, park and hang out together at snack shops. How cool is that being able to be a stay at home dad while 98% of other dads have to go to work? I wouldn't trade it for anything.
I never knew of this miracle feeling until my wife gave birth to my daughter. I was so happy when she came out of my wife's womb that I cried.
Like I said above, you don't know what you don't know, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you. You do what makes you happy. At the end of the day, you don't know what you don't know.
Cheers. 😜😜😜
Strategist
2014 Jul 10, 1:34pm
I never knew of this miracle feeling until my wife gave birth to my daughter. I was so happy when she came out of my wife's womb that I cried.
Like I said above, you don't know what you don't know, and I'm not going to waste my time trying to convince you. You do what makes you happy. At the end of the day, you don't know what you don't know.
Cheers. 😜😜😜
When's the next baby coming?
E-Man, get your wife to make another one while she is still under 35.
Who is doing the disliking to my two posts? I'm telling him to take good care of the woman and the children, just don't say yes to the legal formality of marriage. You can spend 80+ hours a week with the children, heck even live with the mother if you wish; MA is one of those states that reject common law marriage. So long as you do not sign the marriage papers, there is no legal marriage, so you can have the children and the woman you love without her taking over your life via divorce threat. Marry her when you are ready to die, so she can inherit all your assets without having to pay taxes.
New Renter
2014 Jul 10, 2:05pm
I can't speak to all kinds of disabilities, but I've known several parents with Down's children. Not a single one wished that the kid wasn't a part of their lives. Of course, they were very worried when they learned that they were having a child with problems. But they unilaterally say that the child has given them more than they thought possible. I've never seen a parent of a Down's child wishing for a bullet in his/her head. I think that's an over-reach.
How many of those parents were dependent on some form of state support? How about working two full time jobs demanding grandma who had no choice in the birth of the uberdependent take care of the grandchild while mom and dad worked?
If the parents make the choice to have a severely disabled child AND can support said child without state or arm twisting some family support my hat is off to them.
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 2:05pm
After you are done with making the baby/babies, leave her alone! Take care of her financially and take care of the baby/babies . . . then find another less than 29yo! Rinse and Repeat!
Why on earth would anyone want to do this?
Seriously, a serial knocker, like Britney's boyfriend, Kevin Federline. Who wants to be that douchebag?
turtledove
2014 Jul 10, 2:07pm
After you are done with making the baby/babies, leave her alone! Take care of her financially and take care of the baby/babies . . . then find another less than 29yo! Rinse and Repeat!
Why on earth would anyone want to do this?
Seriously, a serial knocker, like Britney's boyfriend, Kevin Federline. Who wants to be that douchebag?
KFed takes care of Britney, financially?
Why on earth would anyone want to do this?
Seriously, a serial knocker, like Britney's boyfriend, Kevin Federline. Who wants to be that douchebag?
If you think the existing babies made by other people are sub-par, the only way you can raise the average is producing a lot of above-par ones;
Since mandatory IUD law would never pass (and would be abused as a new tax venue if passed), and welfare payments get raised by CPI bumps, one way to make welfare motherhood uneconomic is by the middle class and upper middle class producing so many babies of their own that baby supplies go up in price far outpacing CPI! Fight the dysgenic social policies one baby at a time! Would you rather raise your own babies or have your resources taxed away to raise ghetto kids raised on drugs paid for by your tax money via welfare and one day would want to burn down your beloved lab?
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 2:10pm
by the middle class and upper middle class producing so many babies of their own that baby supplies go up in price far outpacing CPI!
Are you the Alan Greenspan or Milton Friedman of procreation?
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 2:11pm
KFed takes care of Britney, financially?
Britney's problem is that she had too many platinum CDs and sold out road shows, otherwise, Kevin would have been forced to take care of her.
Rin, one day you will be too old to take care of your beloved lab. There will be a conflict between those who you raised and appreciate the value of the lab and all it can turn out . . . vs. those raised by your tax payment via welfare who are brainwashed to see everything you have in the lab as ripe for the flash-mobbing. It's the perpetual battle between the civilizing force vs. anti-civilization mobs.
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 2:21pm
Rin, one day you will be too old to take care of your beloved lab. There will be a conflict between those who you raised
Again, WTF are you talking about?
Do you think that every kid, follows his parent's vision?
And finally, when the Rin Institute collapses ... so what? Let some new Leonardo DaVinci, Buckminster Fuller, or whoever, follow up from the work I'd started. My work will be in the public domain, somewhere.
Seriously, you fellas are acting like you're some king, passing a kingdom onto an heir, like the House of Windsor, or some other type of aristocratic function.
Obviously I was not talking about the physical assets of the lab per se, but the research infrastructure that you put together. Someone has to carry on the work and build on top of what you have done. Do you think next generation talents will magically emerge from some welfare household reeking with drugs and have the kids planted in front of the TV all their childhood?
You need to raise the next generation talents who can appreciate/understand your work and build on top of it!
No, not every kid will follow his/her parents' vision. So you need to make more kids as backups!
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 2:32pm
Someone has to carry on the work and build on top of what you have done.
First of all, you're assuming that my alleged future offspring, will want to follow his eccentric dad, into some lineage holding M.O. of running a research institute forever. At best, that idea is delusional. Most kids, simply want to get paid and get laid.
Those geniuses, will emerge from households, including that of let's say a Britney Spears or Madonna, who'll get tired of being a primadonna, or a boring blue/white type, and want to make some contribution to society. Unfortunately, that's the way things work.
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 2:33pm
No, not every kid will follow his/her parents' vision. So you need to make more kids as backups!
Ok, now you're sniffing glue.
Nothing lasts forever, but many things can be prolonged significantly, statistically speaking.
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 2:42pm
The best era of the Roman Empire was when hereditary monarchy wasn't the norm.
The Antonine Emperors, appointed their successors, outside of heredity.
When Marcus Aurelius broke this pattern, the succession was destroyed, and the Empire went into decline.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nerva%E2%80%93Antonine_dynasty#Nerva-Trajan_dynasty
You are not running an empire, but what is essentially a craftman workshop. Unlike raising an emperor, which has to be a generalist, what you need is a specialist. Early education plays a huge role in shaping specialists. That's why professions like Doctors have had long histories of multiple generations of practitioners in a family.
Also, hereditary had little to do with the collapse of Roman Empire. The problem was the empire itself: too much centralization of the Mediterreanean econonomy. The empire went into long term decline ever since the Year of 4 Emperors after the death of Nero (after the end of the first dynastic line of emperors, Julian-Claudian), if not from the day Octavian took over, if not Caesar himself. The debasement of Roman currency started before even Caesar. The Roman welfare/warfare state started at least since the Marian mobs.
Also, the so-called Five Good Emperors were all related and raised in similar aristocratic households. They were adopting nephews and cousins, not exactly adopting random people off the street to be emperors.
Heraclitusstudent
2014 Jul 10, 3:28pm
gifted in the world of Real Life.
Are you a gamer? I think gamers write "Real Life" with capital letters.
Of course if you don't have a family you can afford to spend your entire life in a virtual world.
Kind of a virtual life.
Heraclitusstudent
2014 Jul 10, 3:39pm
I've known several parents with Down's children. Not a single one wished that the kid wasn't a part of their lives. Of course, they were very worried when they learned that they were having a child with problems. But they unilaterally say that the child has given them more than they thought possible.
That's the fantastic rationalization machine at work.
People are extremely bad at guessing what will make them happy.
What people don't understand is that it takes adversity to be happy.
Heraclitusstudent
2014 Jul 10, 3:43pm
After you are done with making the baby/babies, leave her alone! Take care of her financially and take care of the baby/babies . . . then find another less than 29yo! Rinse and Repeat!
If all you want conceptually is to spread your seeds there is a far better solution, which will allow you to have 10 kids with no financial (or other) responsibility and legal immunity - and even get paid for it.
I'm talking of the sperm bank.
It's too bad that the parents of everyone on Patnet didn't seriously consider ABORTION.
What would we do without you, Hey You?
I've been wondering,what the hell my parents were thinking.
Just more ASSHOLES?
Eman
2014 Jul 10, 4:39pm
When's the next baby coming?
Only god knows. It's not easy for us to conceive unfortunately. Maybe this will be our only child. It gets old screwing every night. ☺ï¸â˜ºï¸â˜ºï¸
E-Man, get your wife to make another one while she is still under 35.
Wife is the same age. She will be 41 in the next 3.5 months. It is what it is. ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks
2014 Jul 10, 6:13pm
To echo what Crazyman said, you don't know what you don't know.
question: does a straight man need to try gay sex to realize he's not into it?
Having kids, along with traveling the world, has been one of my greatest experiences. It's produces a lot of stress on the marriage/relationship and takes a lot of money, but all in all it is worth it.
You get to relive your childhood through your kids. For those of us with a great parent (my dad) and not a great parent (my mom), it allows you a second chance to make the right choices in raising your kids.
I have no issue with people saying they don't want kids. In fact, I applaud those who don't think they would enjoy it (although you really dont know until you experience it, and no, a niece or nephew is not the same). Some people aren't cut out to be parents, and the world needs more people that know their limitations. There are too many unwanted kids in the world as it is.
If all you want conceptually is to spread your seeds there is a far better solution, which will allow you to have 10 kids with no financial (or other) responsibility and legal immunity - and even get paid for it.
I'm talking of the sperm bank.
That is not at all the idea. The goal is to raise better children in the next generation. What Rin is getting at in the top article is how pathetic today's kids are. Well, get your own hands dirty and raise the kind of kids that you want! and have fun doing it.
When's the next baby coming?
Only god knows. It's not easy for us to conceive unfortunately. Maybe this will be our only child. It gets old screwing every night. ☺ï¸â˜ºï¸â˜ºï¸
E-Man, get your wife to make another one while she is still under 35.
Wife is the same age. She will be 41 in the next 3.5 months. It is what it is. ðŸ˜ðŸ˜ðŸ˜
Time for a new baby maker? I don't mean to sound callous, but it might be a good conversation to have with your wife: a divorce that would enable both of you to pursue separate sexual interest, and give each of you separate asset protection. Give her a generous package and treat her well as ex-wife.
If you are bored of sex with each other at 41, it's not going to get better for the next 40 years. Old couples who cease to have sexual passion with each other bicker all the time. I'm afraid, my friend, you are a very consciencious guy, who really loves your wife on an intellectual level, but the sexual passion is gone, so you are projecting the love onto your daughter. That is fine for a time, but in a decade or less, you will be resentful, and your actions towards your "ball and chain" will show. That's when the bickering starts. Been there, done that. Think it through and talk about it with your wife.
New Renter
2014 Jul 10, 11:09pm
To echo what Crazyman said, you don't know what you don't know.
question: does a straight man need to try gay sex to realize he's not into it?
I dunno, how did you like it?
New Renter
2014 Jul 10, 11:25pm
No, not every kid will follow his/her parents' vision. So you need to make more kids as backups!
Ok, now you're sniffing glue.
Reality's commend here has got to be the most ridiculous and irresponsible thing I've read here in a LONG time - and that's saying something!
Do you seriously advocate having multiple children in the hopes that ONE will "follow in daddy's footsteps?" That is exactly the same kind of stone age knee jerk emo-thinking that leads to overpopulation in the first place.
Having a pack of children makes sense only when statistically most cannot be expected to survive childhood - those days are long gone. Now kids survive - and have needs too. So you advocate further exponential population growth just on the remote possibility that one of your kids won't be an asshole.
If Rin ever does get the bug to raise a kid he can adopt or foster one that is already here. No marriage needed and he can have his pick of the litter.
There are too many unwanted kids in the world as it is.
That is not at all the idea. The goal is to raise better children in the next generation. What Rin is getting at in the top article is how pathetic today's kids are. Well, get your own hands dirty and raise the kind of kids that you want! and have fun doing it.
Again both fostering and adoption addresses both these issues with the population that's already here
Rin
2014 Jul 10, 11:46pm
No, not every kid will follow his/her parents' vision. So you need to make more kids as backups!
Ok, now you're sniffing glue.
Reality's commend here has got to be the most ridiculous and irresponsible thing I've read here in a LONG time - and that's saying something!
Do you seriously advocate having multiple children in the hopes that ONE will "follow in daddy's footsteps?" That is exactly the same kind of stone age knee jerk emo-thinking that leads to overpopulation in the first place.
As time as gone by, more and more pro-kid responses have become like Reality's, full of ungrounded ideas and so forth. My favorite is that having kids is like trying out one of mom's recommendations of a particular dish. Seriously, WTF. I'm at least glad that my mother never recommended anything of value, aside from eating one's fruits & vegetables. Now, I can at least testify that that metaphor completely blows.
New Renter
2014 Jul 10, 11:52pm
If you don't have kids, who will get our future tax cuts?
robots
My favorite is that having kids is like trying out one of mom's recommendations of a particular dish. Seriously, WTF.
Every single argument presented by the pro-kid lobby can be satisfied by fostering and/or adoption.
Do you seriously advocate having multiple children in the hopes that ONE will "follow in daddy's footsteps?"
No. I want all the children to pursue what they would like to pursue according to their own talents. However, early and repeated exposure to the family business (whatever the business is) is likely to condition some of them well pre-disposed and well informed about that line of craft (whatever it is).
The limiting factor on how many children in the next generation is not the guys, but the girls! Statistically speaking, the modern woman in a western society has 2 children on average, just to keep the population steady or slightly declining with immigration providing the population growth. That is her biological and spiritual destiny; if you don't believe me guys, ask Turtlelove what are the two most important items in her life, not herself, not her husband, but her two children!
Now you, the successful upstanding male citizen of the society, go forth and fill these two quota slots for her (the modern woman, not Turtlelove per se you perverts! ;-), so as to fulfill her biological and spiritual destiny, before she gets accidentally knocked up by some bad boy or pot-smoking, xbox-playing losers who do not want and can not afford to have kids anyway. So that both her and her children will be well provided for. If you shirk that responsibility, you are essentially relegating some "her" down the mating preference line to the losers who just want to have sex but are too careless or drug-addled to take care of contraception.
RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks
2014 Jul 11, 12:07am
below is the summary of the discussion thus far
abroad:
American:
European:
Every single argument presented by the pro-kid lobby can be satisfied by fostering and/or adoption.
How about try this one on for size:
Pre-natal care and education during the first 2 years are extremely important to the child's brain development. Now, would you prefer the child to be conceived and brought into this world under your own meticulous care with a woman that you are sharing your life and resources with . . . or would you prefer her to get pregnant after a night out at the bar or even when high as a kite with her "friends," none of whom ever prepared for fatherhood but all of whom just wanted to bang her? then you get to adopt their "mistake"? A mistake that you could have prevented to begin with by dating her and giving her the baby that she wants and will fight tooth and nail to keep!
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 12:32am
or would you prefer her to get pregnant after a night out at the bar or even when high as a kite with her "friends," none of whom ever prepared for fatherhood but all of whom just wanted to bang her? then you get to adopt their "mistake"? A mistake that you could have prevented to begin with by dating her and giving her the baby that she wants and will fight tooth and nail to keep!
Now we're talking about some White Knight Syndrome.
And here I was, thinking I was jacked up on caffeine pills.
WKS or not, Rin, you obviously feel some degree of obligation to the society as a result of your personal success. You have the capacity making "her" happy and fulfilled via these babies, or you can condemn her to a life of welfare motherhood misery, paid for by your tax money anyway. You are paying for her babies either way, just because of your own success. Would you not prefer to have some influence and supervision on how the kids are raised via your paternal rights? Let me tell you, the picture of welfare mothers on taxpayer subsidy, with even worse loser boyfriends mooching off her, is not a pretty or good for the kids. That's how the flash mobs and gangsters are raised.
Rin
2014 Jul 11, 12:48am
You have the capacity making "her" happy and fulfilled
Well, I told Alanis Morrisette, to take those *Jagged Little Pills*, and down a bottle of 'em with Vodka... sayonara.
I've got other things to do in life, than fix some dysfunctional ppl.
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Ok, it's been said before but I'll say it again.
I see myself as a creative and intelligent person who, if born rich, would be a Renaissance man doing my own research, engaging in numerous activities.
Thus, my goal in life is to become independently wealthy and do the above.
Now, since many of my pals have had children and so forth, I'm absolutely astonished at how lame and boring these kids are. At best, they parrot TV shows and break toys, to the best of their abilities. In contrast, when I was a kid, I was dreaming of writing screenplays, inventing a lightsaber, and so forth.
Yes, my parents squashed my dreams and made me think of engineering, accounting, and so on but at least when I got started, I had bigger dreams.
But now, I've come to accept these facts. Yes, for the most part, children are lame and at best, one can hope that they don't get in trouble with the law or sleep in your basement for life. Those parents, whose kids are the next Alexander Hamilton or Buckminster Fuller, are the fortunate ones.
With that said, I have no incentive nor motivation to have my own. When I'm an old man, I'll be like Frank Lloyd Wright, constantly writing down ideas and working on things of interest without having a lifelong kid/adult sleeping near my study spaces.