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Dan8267 says

CaptainShuddup says

Panama offers the silver-haired set discounts

I.e., the Boomers have ruined America and now they are moving to places they haven't ruined to retire. Is anyone surprised about this? It's the selfish end to a lifetime of selfishness. Even in old age, the Boomers expect nothing but privileges.

Tell me again why Gen X and the Millennials are "too privileged"?

Most boomers I know worked hard their entire life to make a better life for their children. Not sure where you are getting all this hatred toward an entire generation of people.

thunderlips11 says

But I'm sure as shit pissed off at greying Yuppies trying to abrogate all responsibility for shit that happened on their watch.

I'm not trying to abrogate responsibility, but I don't think the focus on one age group makes very much sense.

I would look to the system, which was in place before the boomers were such a big voting block and will be after. And I would look at human nature. Is the generation spoiled ? Sure. We're things as easy for boomers as many want to paint them to be ? No.

Our system and that moment in history was such that this country lost a lot during the last 20 - 40 years.

Did the boomers prevent it ? No. They didn't stop it from happening. But we are talking about an age demographic.

Why don't we pick on say men ? IT was men that fucked us over. Can't you see all the ways that men failed us in recent decades ?

No, wait....it was the caucasions that fucked us over. They had their moment in the sun, and they totally failed. Look at what is happening to our economy, to the middle class, to the environment, our culture.

IT's the fault of the white man !!!

Don't you get it ? choosing an age demographic and laying the blame there is no less nonsensical, than any other group you can identify that existed and was in power during this time.

thunderlips11 says

The boomers should be treated the same way they treated their parents. Make 'em gift you all the cash and property, then dump 'em in a nursing home under medicare.

Yeah, like that's not going to be happening to a lot of boomers.

Boomers have a monompoly on being selfish pricks ? I think not.

define your objects, then we can talk substance...

marcus says

Boomers have a monompoly on being selfish pricks ?

Anyone that ever dreamed about owning a Ferrari and having a ridiculously insane 7 figure salary, while managing other people's money.

Is what fucked this country up. They either made it happen or allowed it to happen because they want some too.

And that group represents every age and socio economic demographic.

I've known these scumbags all of my life, some as young as 20 and some as old as 80. Some richer than God, some on their way there, and some part timers doing their best to get their. They are cons, charlatans, and cheats. They are bankers, preachers, lawyers, and crooks, who then go on and get into politics. They don't give a fuck about this country and they don't give a fuck about you.

But hey you can blame my 72 year old mother a lifelong housewife, living on an $800 a month fixed income if you want to.

FortWayne says

you are getting all this hatred

Acknowledging the bad behavior and selfishness of a generation is hardly hatred. And, of course, not everyone in a generation is the same. But as a whole, there is plenty the Boomers have to be ashamed of.

1. They started a drug culture and then waged a war on drugs killing many innocent people and destroying the basic civil liberties of the American citizen.

2. They fornicated like wild beasts and then told us we'd die if we ever had sex after they spread AIDS around.

3. They turned environmentalism into a stupid culture war and pop-music genre and then wrecked the world's ecosystem leaving future generations to clean up. They also wiped out half of all wildlife in the past 40 years.

4. They horded wealth during the greatest period of appreciation of stocks, real estate, and materials the world has ever seen and then left us with crippling debt to pay for their excesses.

5. They turned the police force into an occupying military that views all citizens as the enemy.

6. The completely destroyed privacy in our society by installing a surveillance society that makes the Fourth Amendment meaningless.

7. The kept alive the viruses of racism and homophobia and tried to infect future generations with these diseases. Luckily most Gen Xers and Millennials have remained immune.

8. When they were juveniles, juvenile crime was at an all time high. When they were young adults, drugs and violent crime ran rampant. When they got to senior management and the real power, financial crimes became commonplace.

9. They caused the Second Great Depression with their unbridled greed, speculation, and leveraging.

10. They are still screwing over the younger generations financially, politically, and socially.

11. They've gutted every social safety net except for Social Security, and their stance on that is that SS should remain for their generation and screw everyone else. Then they have the gall to call the younger generations "entitled".

12. They outsourced every worthwhile job and sold off the country's infrastructure and manufacturing base.

Finally, they have never shown any remorse for doing these things.

And you guys wonder why 70 year old guys blow away opportunity seeking punks who show up at their house unannounced.

My generation totally sold out. If it's true, you should cop to it.

The Carlin clip is dead-on.

( ex-Democrat, non-future member of the War Party of The Rich ).

Dan8267 says

1. They started a drug culture and then waged a war on drugs killing many innocent people and destroying the basic civil liberties of the American citizen.

2. They fornicated like wild beasts and then told us we'd die if we ever had sex after they spread AIDS around.

"They" did no such thing. You watch too much television.

How America’s Police Became an Army: The 1033 Program

I watch about seven hours of t.v. a week, mostly educational and news. How much t.v. do you watch?

When I was a baby, and the boomers were just starting to have kids, we got:

"Rosemary's Baby"
"The Omen"

Yeah, we're all demons and devils. Babies need attention, sorry they are keeping you from Studio 54 or your Self-Actualization Weekend.

When I was a teen, it was "Superpredators" - all the GenXers were going to be Clockwork Orange Murderous Serial Killer Types. Cop and Sociologist alike were screaming on the TV about violence and teens. Boomer Tipper Gore was very concerned about Violent AND Sexual Lyrics in Music. Her husband Al Gore was all about her cause too (remember that, Party Believer Liberals?).
http://www.youtube.com/embed/eb8ntA9ArJM

Then the opposite happened - the oldest boomer entered their 30s and crime , esp. violent crime, started a steady decline that is still sliding downwards from it's 70s-early 90s peak.

Now of course to balance our the Gores you had Zappa. But Zappa wasn't a senator, didn't draft laws, and didn't represent your typical 1980s "Hip to be Square" Babyboomer.

Boomer Authors are always writing books and lecturing about how awful, self-absorbed (hahahahah), and lazy Gen X and Gen Y are.

The shit with the PMRC, the demonization of Younger Generations, the repeated voting for anti-worker Presidents and Congresses, the Prison-Industrial Complex (which got going in the 80s for true. Nixon's War on Drugs hardly effected the incarceration rate and, financially, provided 3/4 of the money allocated on Rehab - it was the 1984 and 1986 legislation that did it.) is not my imagination or confined to pressure groups. These things have all been advocated or treated with serious consideration by the main organs written by mainstream boomer columnists like Tom Friedman and David Brooks, with articles by others in Newsweek, on CNN, etc.

But the moment you criticize the boomers, it's "Don't engage in generational warfare." Yet seldom when it's boomer against others, do we hear that cry. It seems to be pretty much a one-way street.

I can't think of a single Boomer dominated group that ever said "Maybe we need to sacrifice for the good of the younger generations."

There's nothing wrong with Pushback and Turnabout is all Fair Play - if it helps stimulate discussion. It shouldn't be taken too far, but it's good to have some criticism - even if it's a flawed method.

marco says

My generation totally sold out. If it's true, you should cop to it.

If the boomers sold out, then what in the fuck is the Millennials doing?

Their grandkids are going to ride them rotten about trading home ownership, and individual mobility and jobs that paid a living wage for a pocket toy/personal organizer.

If the Boomers are guilty of social assault, then the millennials are guilty of social Murder.

thunderlips11 says

Then the opposite happened - the oldest boomer entered their 30s and crime , esp. violent crime, started a steady decline that is still sliding downwards from it's 70s-early 90s peak.

True that. And don't forget that financial crime has peaked with the Boomers controlling the banks and stock market and financial institutions. If you include financial crimes, the crime is actually higher today than in the 1970s.

Call it Crazy says

That's because you spend DAYS watching Youtube videos...

T.v. is a function not a form. I was including YouTube in that measurement.

And it's not how much you watch, but how much of what you watch.

It is amazing how folks can embrace an artificial category fed to them by the media, and become passionate about it. So easy to manipulate the sheeple.

thunderlips11 says

But the moment you criticize the boomers, it's "Don't engage in generational warfare." Yet seldom when it's boomer against others, do we hear that cry. It seems to be pretty much a one-way street.

I can't think of a single Boomer dominated group that ever said "Maybe we need to sacrifice for the good of the younger generations."

You're making such a total and complete ass of yourself.

One or two boomers write editorials or books or whatever criticsing GenXers, and so you generalizethat this is something boomers do, and so therefore you are justified in being even more of a idiot ?

So pathetic.

Ii is the most stupid kind of generational warfare, and I'm embarrassed for you for the the way that those fucked up emotions are making you into a totally retarded asshole.

These people are sick fucks Marcus, they aren't like "US"!

marcus says

One or two boomers write editorials or books or whatever criticsing GenXers, and so you generalizethat this is something boomers do, and so therefore you are justified in being even more of a idiot ?

One or two Boomers? It was the entire 90s... and now continues with the Millenials. Book after book, article after article.

It's not GenX and Y that are going beserk over criticism - we're used to it.

The problem with boomers is that while they got some feedback in the 60s, for the past half century Marketeers and Politicians have been blowing smoke up their ass to get dollars and votes, they believe that because they haven't been criticized as a group, it must mean there is nothing to criticize.

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely:

And start denying sociological terms that have been used forever to describe demographics like it's some kind of weird fad.

I'm embarrassed for un-reflective boomers, who honestly, truly can't conceive that as America's largest voting bloc, and owning most of the leadership positions from Academia to Business to Military, have no fault at all for the current situation.

People have no problem with general categories like "White", "Black", "Working Class", "DINK", "MILF" - not a blush, and really not a problem. But turn that telescope in a different direction...

It's overdue for the Boomers to get some flak, quite frankly.

Asshole BoomFucks just fucked the world and went strolling off into Caligulan retirement.

SUPER ASSHOLES!

COSMIC ASSHOLES! GALACTIC ASSHOLES! SUPRA GALACTIC ASSHOLES!

Becuse of the BoomFucks, the MillXYers are condemned to die like exploding rats of Ebola in their Moms' basements!

honeybooboo doesn't count as educational.

Dan8267 says

I watch about seven hours of t.v. a week, mostly educational and news. How much t.v. do you watch?

byproduct of mass immigration.
various cultures of the world meld together to form a new species.
Each unique culture loses some identity, and inherits new traits.
Some good, some bad.
Long term, this is inevitable and unstoppable.
Don't you watch Star Trek??

FortWayne says

I think US forgot how to treat people as people, everyone is either disposable labor or worthless dead weight, there is nothing human left there.

News flash: With the millennial driven destruction of the definition of Marriage, we are all Bastards.

thunderlips11 says

Not all boomers are bastards.

thunderlips11 says

It's overdue for the Boomers to get some flak, quite frankly.

"Quite frankly."

That's good. Like this isn't all about your emotional issues. DO you always blame others for when things don't go the way you had hoped ? I don't care if 100 boomers have written books saying what slackers your generation is. Are you that emotionally crippled that it then hinders your ability to use reason ? You then want to do a big "I know you are but what am I?"

thunderlips11 says

It's not GenX and Y that are going beserk over criticism - we're used to it.

What do you call your ridiculous and childish expressions of misplaced emotion in this thread ? ?

This is just like the way the political parties get played against eachother.
Except I doubt the overlords are even trying to create this generational rift between the boomers and the genxer. But surely they are laughing at you.

And yeah, some of them are boomers.

So what ? You fucking retard.

The vast majority of "an entire generation" have something to look forward to after death. Dan doesn't. His post demonstrates how he 'vents'...

FortWayne says

Tell me again why Gen X and the Millennials are "too privileged"?

Most boomers I know worked hard their entire life to make a better life for their children. Not sure where you are getting all this hatred toward an entire generation of people.

thunderlips11 says

marcus says

One or two boomers write editorials or books or whatever criticsing GenXers, and so you generalizethat this is something boomers do, and so therefore you are justified in being even more of a idiot ?

One or two Boomers? It was the entire 90s... and now continues with the Millenials. Book after book, article after article.

Boomers have been dissing other generations their entire life, both older and younger generations.

thunderlips11 says

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely

Precisely. They can't accept responsibility for the things they've done.

SoftShell says

honeybooboo doesn't count as educational.

Dan8267 says

I watch about seven hours of t.v. a week, mostly educational and news. How much t.v. do you watch?

Agreed. I've never watched that show. I watch
- The Cosmos
- Through the Wormhole
- The Universe

How about you? Still watching Fox News? That's even less educational or informative than Honey Boo Boo.

thunderlips11 says

Then the opposite happened - the oldest boomer entered their 30s and crime , esp. violent crime, started a steady decline that is still sliding downwards from it's 70s-early 90s peak.

I guess that this speaks to the improvement in parenting that occurred somewhere along the line ?

SoftShell says

The vast majority of "an entire generation" have something to look forward to after death. Dan doesn't. His post demonstrates how he 'vents'...

Whether or not you look forward to something after death is irrelevant. Anticipating your fictitious afterlife doesn't make it real.

Furthermore, wanting to leave the world a better place than you found it is not "venting". It's being a decent person whole life was worth living. That's something you conservatives will never understand.

SoftShell says

News flash: With the millennial driven destruction of the definition of Marriage, we are all Bastards.

Ah, more conservative bigotry... A fine example of how conservatives make the world a worse place simply with their existence.

Given the current US rank in math skills by country, the blame remains in clear view.

marcus says

Did the boomers prevent it ? No. They didn't stop it from happening. But we are talking about an age demographic.

Why don't we pick on say men ? IT was men that fucked us over. Can't you see all the ways that men failed us in recent decades ?

No, wait....it was the caucasions that fucked us over. They had their moment in the sun, and they totally failed. Look at what is happening to our economy, to the middle class, to the environment, our culture.

IT's the fault of the white man !!!

thunderlips11 says

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely:

Yes, just about every individual boomer you try to pin it on is going to act the same way you do when I ask you to take some responsibility for the way the white man has ruined this country. AS a voting block white men are more likely to be right wing idiots than boomers are.

IF your going to tell me that it's not about that and that an American born in 1950 or 1956 is more likely to be self centered, selfish or narcissist than someone born in 1935, 1942 or 1975, than all I can say is, fuck off you incredibly stupid prick.

No. I watch "morning joe". I like to see the libbys get slapped around on their own network.

Dan8267 says

How about you? Still watching Fox News? That's even less educational or informative than Honey Boo Boo.

This response highlights your blind spot.
We never "leave the world". Our atoms merely are redistributed. Therefore, the world is 'never left' but always a 'work in progress'.

Dan8267 says

Furthermore, wanting to leave the world a better place than you found it is not "venting".

no bigotry, just a simple fact.
people born out of wedlock are by definition a "bastard".
Since 'marriage' has been redefined too many times to count, at this point we just have to assume the word is meaningless, heretofore weddings are meaningless with the byproduct that you, I, everyone born on this earth, are bastards.
Hell, it's just a word, don't get all uppity about it!

Dan8267 says

SoftShell says

News flash: With the millennial driven destruction of the definition of Marriage, we are all Bastards.

Ah, more conservative bigotry..

thunderlips11 says

I'm embarrassed for the Boomers, because when it's suggested they bear some responsibility for the current situation, get entirely:

How does a group admit it bears responsibility ? IT doesn't. So you are suggesting that individuals in the group admit to what ?

thunderlips11 says

And start denying sociological terms that have been used forever to describe demographics like it's some kind of weird fad.

Just because a demographic group is talked about a lot for some specific reasons, in this case, it's size doesn't give it, other special properties that disaggregate it from the continuum of ages (times of birth)

Why isn't it people that are born between 1930 and 1950 where the most responsibility lies ? Because the baby boom is bigger ?

You aren't going to see how stupid you are in this, are you ?
Kind of committed at this point, to making a fool of yourself ?

SoftShell says

We never "leave the world". Our atoms merely are redistributed.

We are not our atoms, but the sentient machines they build. The actual atoms that comprise your body are constantly being exchanged with other atoms in the environment.

As for your sentience, that is created by the operation of your brain and ceases when the brain stops functioning. This is a scientific fact whether or not you are intelligent or mature enough to accept it.

SoftShell says

no bigotry, just a simple fact.

people born out of wedlock are by definition a "bastard".

And people born in wedlock are by definition a "floppidygoop". Words are whatever we define them to be. Nomenclature carries no meaning or weight.

What’s a bastard? It is nor hand, nor foot, nor arm, nor face, nor any other part belonging to a man. Oh, be some other name. What’s in a name? That person which we call a bastard by any other name would be as sweet a person. So SoftShell would, were he not SoftShell called, retain that dear bigotry which he owes without that title. Bastard is the rose, and SoftShell it's thorn.

SoftShell says

Hell, it's just a word, don't get all uppity about it!

Since when is demanding equal rights under laws, including the thousands of rights associated with marriage such as equal taxation, "getting uppity about a word"? Methinks you missed entirely the point of the marriage equality movement.

Call it Crazy says

marcus says

AS a voting block white men are more likely to be right wing idiots than boomers are.

Because they have to use their intelligence to make up for all the black idiots that vote Democrat.

Ah, the ugly head of racism rears again.

Scientific studies have shown a strong negative relation between racism and intelligence.

Call it Crazy says

Racism or fact?

Racism.