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bgamall4 says

I won't quote you Apoc, but listen, you aren't helping Muslims trust other people in our society. You are a scab and a plague on society.

The question is what are Muslims doing to help the rest of society trust them? I would like to see Muslims protest the actions of terrorists, instead of calling for the death of infidels.

Blurtman says

The Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) lists SIOA as a hate group.

The SPLC is a hate group. They put Roosh (a harmless PUA) on the hate speech list. They should go fuck themselves.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites

lostand confused says

it is supposed to be a free country. If you are being provoked by cartoons-go back to Saudi Arabia??

It would be similar to opening an abortion clinic next door to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas or screening Brokeback Mountain at the Guns for Christ annual conference.

Blurtman says

It would be similar to opening an abortion clinic next door to the Westboro Baptist Church in Kansas or screening Brokeback Mountain at the Guns for Christ annual conference.

If you are able to buy property next to the baptists it's completely within your rights. Do you think any of the baptists would open fire the same day you are opening the clinic? It's possible but highly unlikely as they have not been violent.

Btw. this is an interview of a (self-proclaimed, reasonable) feminist with Roosh, the guy who is on the SPLC "hate speech" list.

https://vimeo.com/116015349

This is the very definition of freedom, that 2 people with opposing views can have a civil discourse without being physically or politically harassed or character-assassinated.

Nobody is saying that the assailants at the cartoon conference were justified. And it seems to be overreach by the SPLC with regards to the Roosh fellow, whom I had never heard of before. But if you are going to purposefully antagonize folks, even though you are within your rights, you have to expect a violent reaction to your provocation.

Blurtman says

But if you are going to purposefully antagonize folks, even though you are within your rights, you have to expect a violent reaction to your provocation

Usually that is what the Jihadis say.

Blurtman says

Nobody is saying that the assailants at the cartoon conference were justified.

You just did.

Blurtman says

But if you are going to purposefully antagonize folks, even though you are within your rights, you have to expect a violent reaction to your provocation.

In America - no one should "expect" to be killed by a fucking cartoon.

Also funny how Blurtman has the "Obey" avatar and is essentially telling people we must "obey" the primitive 7th century sensitivities of Jihadis or expect a violent reaction.

https://gma.yahoo.com/official-one-texas-shooting-suspects-ided-111112719--abc-news-topstories.html?bcmt=comments-postbox

mell says

Do you think any of the baptists would open fire the same day you are opening the clinic? It's possible but highly unlikely as they have not been violent.

Sigh. Selective libertarian ignorance. From the Wikipedia article on abortion clinic violence:

March 10, 1993: Dr. David Gunn of Pensacola, Florida was fatally shot during a protest. He had been the subject of wanted-style posters distributed by Operation Rescue in the summer of 1992. Michael F. Griffin was found guilty of Gunn's murder and was sentenced to life in prison.[11]
July 29, 1994: Dr. John Britton and James Barrett, a clinic escort, were both shot to death outside another facility, the Ladies Center, in Pensacola. Rev. Paul Jennings Hill was charged with the killings. Hill received a death sentence and was executed on September 3, 2003. The clinic in Pensacola had been bombed before in 1984 and was also bombed subsequently in 2012.
December 30, 1994: Two receptionists, Shannon Lowney and Lee Ann Nichols, were killed in two clinic attacks in Brookline, Massachusetts. John Salvi was arrested and confessed to the killings. He died in prison and guards found his body under his bed with a plastic garbage bag tied around his head. Salvi had also confessed to a non-lethal attack in Norfolk, Virginia days before the Brookline killings.
January 29, 1998: Robert Sanderson, an off-duty police officer who worked as a security guard at an abortion clinic in Birmingham, Alabama, was killed when his workplace was bombed. Eric Robert Rudolph, who was also responsible for the 1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing, was charged with the crime and received two life sentences as a result.
October 23, 1998: Dr. Barnett Slepian was shot to death with a high-powered rifle at his home in Amherst, New York.[12] His was the last in a series of similar shootings against providers in Canada and northern New York state which were all likely committed by James Kopp. Kopp was convicted of Slepian's murder after being apprehended in France in 2001.
May 31, 2009: Dr. George Tiller was shot and killed by Scott Roeder as Tiller served as an usher at a church in Wichita, Kansas.

From the WIkipedia article on George Tiller's murder:

Wiley Drake, vice-presidential candidate for the America's Independent Party ticket in 2008 and the second vice president of the Southern Baptist Convention in 2006–2007, asked on his radio show, "Would you have rejoiced when Adolf Hitler died during the war? ... I would have said, 'Amen! Praise the Lord! Hallelujah! I'm glad he's dead.' This man, George Tiller, was far greater in his atrocities than Adolf Hitler, so I am happy; I am glad that he is dead."

HydroCabron says

Sigh. Selective libertarian ignorance. From the Wikipedia article on abortion clinic violence:

Sigh - more lame moral equivalence by Libs trying to give radical Islam a pass. You have to go back a quarter century to find enough examples of "Christian Terrorists" to match the death toll ISIS inflicts in a single day.

And for every Christian nutter going after abortion doctors in America, you got this guy - and who knows how many more not being reported? Want to compare the death toll?
http://www.cnn.com/2013/05/13/justice/pennsylvania-abortion-doctor-trial/

ISIS apparently killed 300 more Yazidis over the weekend.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3065517/Isis-militants-slaughter-300-Yazidi-captives-northern-Iraq-thousands-taken-captive-villages.html

Muslims make up about 1% of the US population, but their coreligionists have managed to rack up a pretty high death count here at home when you add WTC1993, 9/11, Fort Hood and Boston.

Geert Wilders gave a speech and left before the gunmen arrived.

I wonder if he was the target.

https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/595057786175655937

socal2 says

You just did.

'Splain.

Blurtman says

'Splain.

You said we should "obey" primitive Muslim customs or expect violence.

thunderlips11 says

Geert Wilders gave a speech and left before the gunmen arrived.

I wonder if he was the target.

https://twitter.com/geertwilderspvv/status/595057786175655937

Possibly, he lives under 24/7 protection and has to switch homes regularly since his movie.

HydroCabron says

Sigh. Selective libertarian ignorance. From the Wikipedia article on abortion clinic violence:

You can't be serious. Very few isolated incidences and everyone was tried and convicted and portrayed as what they are: murderers. Christians are massively prosecuted and killed these days throughout the world.

socal2 says

You said we should "obey" primitive Muslim customs or expect violence.

Nope. Try again.

Blurtman says

You said we should "obey" primitive Muslim customs or expect violence.

Nope. Try again.

You specifically said this:

"But if you are going to purposefully antagonize folks, even though you are within your rights, you have to expect a violent reaction to your provocation."

Seems clear to me that you are saying that we should expect to be murdered in America if we draw cartoons and insult radical Muslims. Therefore, best to "obey" primitive Sharia Law and stay safe - right?

socal2 says

Sigh - more lame moral equivalence by Libs trying to give radical Islam a pass.

These guys got the deaths they earned.

That doesn't mean I'm going to listen to apologists for violent pro-lifers.

socal2 says

You have to go back a quarter century to find enough examples of "Christian Terrorists" to match the death toll ISIS inflicts in a single day.

What?

ISIS is utterly evil, but I see little evidence that Christians don't know how to kill. More of a wealth of evidence so vast for the other conclusion. What to pick... what to pick...

I've got it! How about this? Here's the list of countries which Britain hasn't invaded:

Andorra
Belarus
Bolivia
Burundi
Central African Republic
Chad
Congo, Republic of
Guatemala
Ivory Coast
Kyrgyzstan
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Mali
Marshall Islands
Monaco
Mongolia
Paraguay
Sao Tome and Principe
Sweden
Tajikistan
Uzbekistan
Vatican City

Seems clear to me that you are saying that we should expect to be murdered in America if we draw cartoons and insult radical Muslims. - Yes, you would be unwise to not plan for violence.

Therefore, best to "obey" primitive Sharia Law and stay safe - right? - Weighing the chances of violence and not proceeding would not be obeying Sharia law anymore than steering clear of an armed right wing nut job would mean allegiance to his viewpoints.

Blurtman says

Weighing the chances of violence and not proceeding would not be obeying Sharia law anymore than steering clear of an armed right wing nut job would mean allegiance to his viewpoints.

In other words, we should OBEY Sharia law in America to avoid the potential of violence.

Sharia is also against gays. If they start targeting gay weddings and night clubs here in America, will you tell the gay population that they should "steer clear" (OBEY) as well?

IIRC, Sharia laws also forbid television because it makes images of human beings. . . That begs the question how the ISIS produces those video footage and put them on the internet? How can their followers even be allowed under their rule to watch those video footages? How did they square that circle?

HydroCabron says

These guys got the deaths they earned.

That doesn't mean I'm going to listen to apologists for violent pro-lifers

Are you saying if there were cartoons of Jesus, there would be assassin/terrorists outside.

lostand confused says

Are you saying if there were cartoons of Jesus, there would be assassin/terrorists outside.

Read through the thread: somebody claimed that Christians are not violent toward abortion clinics.

socal2 says

In other words, we should OBEY Sharia law in America to avoid the potential of violence.

If I do not consume alcohol because I find the effects to be unpleasant, as well as the taste, I am not following Sharia law. I just don't like booze.

My icon comes from the movie They Live. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. For me the movie is about the dangers of government and societal mandated behaviors and the efforts to control the population. The plot is a bit far fetched, but with special sunglasses, you can see what is really being broadcast and advertised to you - Consume, Obey, Conform.

Anyway the hero, Rowdy Roddy Piper, gets a shotgun and begins blasting the authority figures. I think he might have gotten a few Wall Street types.

My icon is the politician, who could be a senator but more likely the supreme leader, i.e., president. He gives a corny speech about how everything will get better and bright days are ahead. It could be any politician's speech today. Check it out if you haven't seen it. You have to like sci fi and be willing to go with the plot.

lostand confused says

Are you saying if there were cartoons of Jesus, there would be assassin/terrorists outside.

If it were cartoons of John Wayne, look out, pardner.

Blurtman says

My icon comes from the movie They Live. If you haven't seen it, I recommend it. For me the movie is about the dangers of government and societal mandated behaviors and the efforts to control the population.

I've seen the movie. I'm a fan of John Carpenter and that is why I have been tweaking you on the whole "obey" thing.

PC Liberalism both in the government and culture is the biggest force trying to mandate behavior and force conformity. In this case we have many liberal people essentially saying that Pamela Geller had it coming by daring to offend primitive Sharia Law. Basically, the skirt was too skimpy rape excuse.

Garry Trudeau (the ultimate PC lib) said the same thing about the Charlie Hebdo victims last month.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/04/why-garry-trudeau-is-wrong-about-charlie-hebdo/390336/

Now, we have Libs using the power of the State to force people to bake cakes for gay weddings.
http://aclu-co.org/court-rules-bakery-illegally-discriminated-against-gay-couple/

We will be made to care.....or conform.....

Blurtman says

But if you are going to purposefully antagonize folks, even though you are within your rights, you have to expect a violent reaction to your provocation.

When you're reaction reaches violence (especially involving guns) in Texas - gonna be a bad day for you. We live in a (supposedly) free speech country. I'm assaulted EVERY DAY by nonsense that offends me, so? In turn I'm sure some of what I say offends others, I don't take out a gun because I'm offended, and I'm more than happy to use my gun on someone who does think that his gun will solve the free speech insult that he's suffering from.

mmmarvel says

When you're reaction reaches violence (especially involving guns) in Texas

The Muslims didn't anticipate who they'd tangled with until they met Bubba in Texas. Probably a far cry from Seattle or Portland or Boston

P N Dr Lo R says

The Muslims didn't anticipate who they'd tangled with until they met Bubba in Texas. Probably a far cry from Seattle or Portland or Boston

The cops shot these guys. Seattle, Portland and Boston all have police forces.

The morbidly obese NRA members in Texas were busy waving weapons around at Hardee's, scaring the piss out of soccer moms while gumming up their AR-15s with ranch dressing. They were unable to pry their massive bellies out of the booth in time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knoxville_Unitarian_Universalist_church_shooting

On July 27, 2008, a politically motivated[2][3] fatal shooting took place at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, United States. Motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others.

Pam knew what she was doing here, being a marginal whackaloon herself, she trusted her get-together would stir someone on the opposite nutball margin to respond.

Going with the low estimate of 2.6M muslims in the US, she managed to provoke 0.00008% of the muslim population.

Nice going, Pam. Enjoy waving your bloody shirt now.

Bellingham Bill says

On July 27, 2008, a politically motivated[2][3] fatal shooting took place at the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church in Knoxville, Tennessee, United States. Motivated by a desire to kill liberals and Democrats, gunman Jim David Adkisson fired a shotgun at members of the congregation during a youth performance of a musical, killing two people and wounding seven others.

In 2012, a gay activist radicalized by Southern Law Poverty Center (SLPC) entered the Family Research Council's HQ with a bag of Chic Fillet sandwiches and a gun with a plan to murder as many people possible - only to be stopped by a security guard that he shot and wounded.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/2013/09/19/d0df61f2-2131-11e3-b73c-aab60bf735d0_story.html

Does the SLPC have any culpability for this would-be mass murderer?

The SWAT team was already on site - Geert Wilders posed with them.

Something the two had in common:

Adkisson's manifesto[12] also cited the inability to find a job, and that his food stamps were being cut. His manifesto stated that he intended to keep shooting until police arrived and expected to be killed by police. Adkisson had a waist satchel with more ammunition, totaling 76 shells of #4 shot.

In his manifesto, Adkisson also included the Democratic members of the House and Senate,[12] and the 100 People Who Are Screwing Up America[12] of Bernard Goldberg in his list of wished-for targets.

Corkins, who suffers from chronic mental illness, bought a semiautomatic pistol from a Virginia gun shop six days before the August 2012 shooting. Defense attorney David Bos recommended a sentence of 111 / 2 years and said the case was about “too easy access to firearms.”

Although usually when a guy attacks a church, it's because the Pastor was banging his daughter - or his wife.

thunderlips11 says

The SWAT team was already on site - Geert Wilders posed with them.

Cool. Lure them in, and give them what they deserve.

sbh says

Hey Strat, I just thought of a question for you. If Dog the Bounty Hunter just shot everyone who ran from him, you'd be cool with that, right?

Hhhmmmm. Sounds like a trick question.
Most likely Yes, I'd be cool.

sbh says

Strategist says

sbh says

Hey Strat, I just thought of a question for you. If Dog the Bounty Hunter just shot everyone who ran from him, you'd be cool with that, right?

Hhhmmmm. Sounds like a trick question.


Most likely Yes, I'd be cool.

No trick. Just a test of your purity. Dog goes after a tagger with a bench warrant, a mom with unpaid parking tickets, a homeless vet with library fines. Any effort to evade apprehension: 15 shots to the back. Most likely that's a righteous shoot, huh? Just generally speaking? Keeping specifics out of it, right?

They are not criminal enough to warrant getting shot. I still believe in "Let the punishment fit the crime"

sbh says

How 'bout the homeowner who's in arrears on a robosigned mortgage, got screwed by the bank and holes up in the house demanding the MERS documents? Dog comes by and they won't let him in. He breaks down the door and the family runs out the back. They're all gonna die, right? You're cool with that?

Nope. I would shoot "Dog" if he killed them.

sbh says

C'mon, Strat, do you really need over 15 minutes to put the smack down on such criminals? You ain't dissin' the Dog, are ya bro? He da man in yo worl, fer real? How 'bout da biatch dat slaps Dog when he come to serve on her welfare fraud? Gib da bitch da AK, ya know?

I was on the other thread, honest.