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Ironman says

Yes, all of them, but honesty has never been important to you.

Nope they're all correct. Hillary may lie, but that doesn't mean Trump doesn't lie as well. He has had many more than 4 broken business ventures. He has the support of David Duke, a former KKK leader. That is not a lie. How hard is it to disavow David Duke? Is that a decision that needed a lot of contemplation?

None of those are lies.

My wife and I just voted. One vote for the Bernie movement, and one protest vote against racism, lies, and failure. To be clear, that second vote was against Drumpf and for Rubio. So, it wasn't really a vote against failure and insincerity so much as it was a vote against racism.

YesYNot says

My wife and I just voted. One vote for the Bernie movement, and one protest vote against racism, lies, and failure. To be clear, that second vote was against Drumpf and for Rubio. So, it wasn't really a vote against failure and insincerity so much as it was a vote against racism.

Yes, the man who has been under the Public Eye and Tabloid Figure for 30 years with nary a claim about Racism is a racist because the Newsmedia tells you.

I'm not letting dirty tricks Begala and Murphy and Rove and the rest of them fool me. We already know the Hillary Playbook: Smear, Smear, Smear and Play Racecard.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/01/us/politics/hillary-clinton-donald-trump-general-election.html

Screw these SJWs. And yeah, Hillary and Bill have smeared their opponents their entire lives while complaining about being smeared, so they have no standing to complain.

I'm pretty sure that I said that I'd be happy to vote for either Hillary or Bernie in the general election. Clinton would be better for my pocketbook. I think that Bernie is better for the country. I voted my conscience.

My wife voted hers, and that was to try to stop the racist as soon as possible. He's an embarrassment to the country, but more than that, he is fomenting hatred. He is giving legitimacy to racists and encouraging people with minor racist tendencies to cultivate that part of their personalities.

YesYNot says

My wife voted hers, and that was to try to stop the racist as soon as possible. He's an embarrassment to the country, but more than that, he is fomenting hatred. He is giving legitimacy to racists and encouraging people with minor racist tendencies to cultivate that part of their personalities.

Goldman Sachs and Koch Brothers are happy you have made that decision.

thunderlips11 says

nary a claim about Racism is a racist because the Newsmedia tells you

Here's why I think Drumpf is is racist:
1. Central park 5 (1989) http://www.newyorker.com/news/amy-davidson/donald-trump-and-the-central-park-five
2. He opened his campaign with an obviously racist remark that didn't literally even make sense: they're (illegals) rapists or Mexico is sending their rapists. He would not clarify what he meant.
3. He has continued since then to make remarks that any racist would love, and that is why David Duke and the KKK love him so much.
4. He was given several opportunities last weekend to disavow David Duke and the KKK. Even though it is obvious that he knows who Duke is, he chose to blatantly lie about this rather than disavowing the man and the KKK.
5. Only after getting pilloried in the press, does he come out and disavow the KKK. On the same day, he is instructing the secret service to remove black people from his audience.

But all of that aside, I watched him glide down the escalator and make his remarks about illegals. Ever since picking my jaw off the floor and realizing that he did actually just say that, I have known that Trump's running on the racist vote. Absolutely no media was required to make that judgement.

To me, being a racist does not mean that you think less of other races. It is based on how you act, and Trump has been acting in a shockingly racist manner since the beginning of his campaign.

RACIST!!

I, for one, am shocked that the dems are smearing the lead repub candidate by calling him racist.

Now lets mske sure all the women vote for hilary because she is acwoman. And hilary will get all the black vote in the south east, well, because shes duped the dump fucks into thinking they owe it to her.

Bring them to heel, trump!

thunderlips11 says

Goldman Sachs and Koch Brothers are happy you have made that decision.

Not so much because he is going to take on the wealthy. It's more that they don't want to play Russian Roulette with the country that is helping them make shitloads of money.

Trump wants to bring back jobs manufacturing iPhones? What kind of shitty job does he want for people? Perhaps he wants to build a FoxConn complex in GA, and funnel tax $$ to his interests. Perhaps, he'll name it the Drumpf dungeon. If he values his name at $3 Billion now, imagine what he would value it at if he could trick the populace into voting for his flabby ass.

I posted this in another Trump thread. This is the "Alpha Male" the betas like ThunderCommie and Ironman are raising their skirts for:

Trump apparently pissed that Gorbachev wasn't strong enough to keep Communism going during the Cold War. Trump also praised the "strong leadership" of the Chinese Commies in putting down the protesters at Tienanmen Square.

Can't make this shit up.

http://www.ijreview.com/2016/01/513180-trumps-comment-about-chinese-government-at-tianenman-square-shows-hes-strongman-america-needs/

errc says

I, for one, am shocked that the dems are smearing the lead repub candidate by calling him racist.

It's not going to be just the fringe dems calling him a racist when the general election roles around.

Ironman says

Prove it with direct FACTS.

http://www.ranker.com/list/donald-trump-business-failures-bankruptcy-fails/mel-judson?var=4&utm_expid=16418821-179.KRPALXGNSrOvUccMmL8oRg.3&utm_referrer=http%3A%2F%2Fr.search.yahoo.com%2F_ylt%3DA0LEVzYh39VWyc0AhslXNyoA%3B_ylu%3DX3oDMTExMWZ0NHZoBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwM0BHZ0aWQDREZENV8xBHNlYwNzcg--%2FRV%3D2%2FRE%3D1456885665%2FRO%3D10%2FRU%3Dhttp%253a%252f%252fwww.ranker.com%252flist%252fdonald-trump-business-failures-bankruptcy-fails%252fmel-judson%2FRK%3D0%2FRS%3DUfr_0CYlBWxYsR_Tw4qqPvFxuF8-

Ironman says

tatupu70 says

He has the support of David Duke, a former KKK leader.

Prove it with direct FACTS.

You're such an idiot. Even on the video you post, Duke says he supports Trump, thinks we should vote for him, and will himself vote for Trump. You proved me correct.

Ironman says

Having an opinion in the 90's and changing that opinion in the 2000's based on new information is a lie, well, if you say so. I guess you've NEVER changed your mind or opinion on anything based on new data?

Of course. Trump can change his mind as much as he wants. That's not lying. Unfortunately, that's not what he does. He says things that he knows are not true.

Shouldnt everyone be voting against hilary because she is a disgusting racist, and sexist?

Either way, im surprised you allowed your lady to vote Rubio.

#makejohnoliverfactcheckhisstoriesagain

errc says

Shouldnt everyone be voting against hilary because she is a disgusting racist, and sexist?

www.youtube.com/embed/-U-Bfdor6zk

www.youtube.com/embed/8k4nmRZx9nc

Bill Gates' Energy Project, of whom he is the largest owner, went bust. Therefore, Bill Gates is a failure, loser, and not a "real" Businessman.

I'm voting for somebody fired from the Watergate Investigation for being "dishonest and unethical" by her Democrat Boss.

Ironman says

Clean the wax out of your ears, at around 2:15 he specifically answers the CNN claim that he DOES NOT endorse Trump, but he agrees with some of his positions and he would consider voting for him in the future. Why do you continue to lie?

Nobody said he "endorsed" him. Duke clearly says he thinks everyone should vote for Trump and that he will vote for Trump. That is the definition of supporting. You're the only idiot lying here.

Ironman says

So, now your up to 13 out of at least 515... That's still leaves him at a 97.5% success rate... How's YOUR success rate with YOUR businesses?

Those are just the 13 most ridiculous ones. Why don't you list all 515 businesses and we'll see how many survived?

Ironman says

Thanks for supplying the proof of your assertion... Oh wait, you didn't....

It was in the video that I already posted. Next time you might want to watch something before commenting on it.

errc says

Either way, im surprised you allowed your lady to vote Rubio.

She said she wanted to vote against Trump. I told her if she just wants a protest vote she could vote for Kasich, but if she wants to hurt Trump the most, vote Rubio, and that is what she did. When she left, she said it felt weird. I asked if it was because she just voted for a Catholic Cuban homosexual conservanut. She said it was weird just to vote for a Republican. I was happy that between the two of us, we voted for Bernie and against Trump. If we had a big difference of opinion, I wouldn't bother trying to influence her vote and know it wouldn't work, anyway.

thunderlips11 says

Bill Gates' Energy Project, of whom he is the largest owner, went bust. Therefore, Bill Gates is a failure, loser, and not a "real" Businessman.

I'm voting for somebody fired from the Watergate Investigation for being "dishonest and unethical" by her Democrat Boss.

Come on Thunder--you're better than sinking to CIC's level. Trump's supporters are the ones that are claiming he is fit to be President because he is/was such a successful businessman. You don't think it's fair game to examine whether he really was successful or not?

For God's Sake the Clintons accused Bernie Supporters of being Misogynists.

http://redalertpolitics.com/2016/01/17/feminists-blame-berniebros-sexism-hillarys-bad-polls/

Will Hillary disavow Amanda Marcotte, a noted misandrist with a pattern of supporting false rape accusations?

Ironman says

You're right... You're now reaching back to 1990 (25 years ago) to dig up dirt.... I think that's called "desperate".

I think you need to find some quotes of his back in college, that will surely help!!

Wow--I'm sure you thought the same when posting about domestic terrorist William Ayers 8 years ago, right?

filing strategic bankruptcy to rid oneself of bad debt is what free market capitalism is all about!

Ironman says

Do you know what the word "endorse" means?

Do you know what the word "support" means? Because that is the word that is used.

Ironman says

tatupu70 says

he is/was such a successful businessman. You don't think it's fair game to examine whether he really was successful or not?

Ironman says

So, now your up to 13 out of at least 515... That's still leaves him at a 97.5% success rate... How's YOUR success rate with YOUR businesses?

Tatty, is a 97.5% success rate good or bad?

Great--why don't you post the other 502 businesses that Trump is running that are successful and still operating.

Hillary, disavow Amanda Marcotte and Bernie Bros smear! Be a uniter and fight against misandry!

Ironman says

Really, at 2:26 in my video above, Duke says "support"?

You need to get to a ear doctor.... STAT!!!

No you moron. That's the word that I used that you called a lie. Try to follow if you can.

And I'd say going on a video telling people that they should vote for Trump, followed by Duke, himself, saying he will vote for Trump is--pretty much the definition of "support"

Ironman says

Good comeback.

Regardless. Talk about Duke splitting hairs. He doesn't endorse Trump, but he is on record saying he will vote for him. And he thinks you should vote for him too.

tatupu70 says

but he is on record saying he will vote for him

What's your point? You're going to base your vote on whether people you (don't) like are voting for a candidate? This is a fucking election, not social media.

Ironman says

Finally.... took you long enough...

He said he supports some of his POSITIONS.... that's a bit of a stretch to say he totally supports Trump... but hey, stretching and splitting "talking points" is your specialty, since that's all you got...

Did you get through that list of Trump's businesses yet, you didn't answer my question:

No-he says he WILL vote for Trump and asks everyone watching the video to vote for him too. There is no sane person who would say Duke doesn't support Trump.

mell says

What's your point? You're going to base your vote on whether people you (don't) like are voting for a candidate? This is a fucking election, not social media.

Read the rest of the thread--you clearly are coming in guns drawn without knowing what the fuck you are responding to.

OK--here is Duke's statement.

"I do support his candidacy, and I support voting for him as a strategic action. I hope he does everything we hope he will do,” Duke, who also served a three-year stint in the Louisiana state House, said Wednesday.

"And I am telling you that it is your job now to get active. Get off your duff. Get off your rear end that’s getting fatter and fatter for many of you everyday on your chairs,” Duke implored his racist listeners. “When this show’s over, go out, call the Republican Party, but call Donald Trump’s headquarters, volunteer.”

“They’re screaming for volunteers. Go in there, you’re going to meet people who are going to have the same kind of mindset that you have,” Duke said."

Are you still going to argue that Duke doesn't support Trump?

tatupu70 says

Are you still going to argue that Duke doesn't support Trump?

Are we still arguing that Trump didn't disavow Duke multiple times?

By Sunday, Trump was already asked repeatedly and was probably tired of it, because it is a political smear, plain and simple. Tatupu, you of all people should see this for the naked smear (and attempt at publicity for professional controversialist David Duke) for what it is.

thunderlips11 says

Are we still arguing that Trump didn't disavow Duke multiple times?

By Sunday, Trump was already asked repeatedly and was probably tired of it, because it is a political smear, plain and simple. Tatupu, you of all people should see this for the naked smear (and attempt at publicity for professional controversialist David Duke) for what it is.

I don't. If he had simply disavowed when asked initially, it's a non-story. But he first lied saying he didn't know who Duke was-when, as you showed earlier, he disavowed Duke less than a year earlier. And, even if he hadn't--do we want someone to be President that doesn't know who David Duke is?

Trump caused this because he was playing politics as socal2 said. He needs the racist vote on Super Tuesday so he didn't want to come out against Duke initially.

Ironman says

You're right... You're now reaching back to 1990 (25 years ago) to dig up dirt.... I think that's called "desperate".

Dude - Trump still praises Putin today for being a "big strong leader". And who in their right fucking mind would praise China 25 years ago for slaughtering Democracy advocates at Tienanmen square? Who in their right fucking mind would criticize Gorbachev for opening up Communist Russia to reforms?

Trump is an authoritarian through and through.

There is so much dirt on this New York Liberal scumbag that the Democrats and Media are sitting on and they are hoping and praying that the retarded segment of the Republican party are dumb enough to nominate Trump.

Trump is the ONLY Republican that will lose to Hillary.
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_clinton-5491.html

tatupu70 says

If he had simply disavowed when asked initially, it's a non-story.

He did on Friday in no uncertain terms. CNN asked him AGAIN on Sunday, where he disavowed Duke. And all weekend long on Social Media, clearly over and over again.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/29/trump_disavows_kkk_duke_how_many_times_do_i_have_to_continue_to_disavow_people.html

Again, the smear doesn't matter, it just needs to be repeated over and over again.

thunderlips11 says

He did on Friday in no uncertain terms. CNN asked him AGAIN on Sunday, where he disavowed Duke. And all weekend long on Social Media, clearly over and over again.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/02/29/trump_disavows_kkk_duke_how_many_times_do_i_have_to_continue_to_disavow_people.html

Again, the smear doesn't matter, it just needs to be repeated over and over again.

So why did he say he didn't know who Duke was then?

Trump supporters have almost as thin a skin as he does. Oh--look at the injustice. People are saying bad things about Trump. Boo-hoo. Not every attack is a smear. All Trump does is attack--you think the nonsense about Rubio sweating is fair?

PS--A bad earpiece? Really?

YesYNot says

He is giving legitimacy to racists and encouraging people with minor racist tendencies to cultivate that part of their personalities.

Nope. Being against immigration is not the same as having minor racist tendencies.
Fuck this amalgam.

I cant wait for tatupu to put this much energy into airing out Clintons hate of blacks.

BRING THEM TO HEEL!

errc says

I cant wait for tatupu to put this much energy into airing out Clintons hate of blacks.

BRING THEM TO HEEL!

lol--you don't see the same hero-worship out of Clinton supporters. It's not as fun.

Trump, however, did not take that opportunity. Instead, the real estate mogul, apparently so fearful of alienating even the worse elements of the electorate whose votes he wants, described men who beat a Hispanic Boston man as "passionate."

Heraclitusstudent says

Nope. Being against immigration is not the same as having minor racist tendencies.

Fuck this amalgam.

Ironman says

Do you think telling a lie over and over makes it true? Don't you think the other Repubs and the RNC would have served up all the dirt they had before today? After tonight, the nomination will be Trump's.

Yep, if there was all this shit out there, GOPe would have used some of it against Trump already. He's not so stupid not to have thoroughly investigated himself first and find out what investigators and muckrackers can come up with. He's already lived 30+ years in public eye, a Tabloid regular. Anything bad would have come out.

That's why they are grasping at straws like Duke.

tatupu70 says

So why did he say he didn't know who Duke was then?

On Sunday. He already told CNN in no uncertain terms on Friday. Why does CNN keep asking the same question?

Because merely asking the question is a repeat of the smear, and you ask again and again and again, hoping the recipient makes a snarky or less-than-100% clear response.

Which is exactly what happened here.