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Rashomon says

Which platform would that be? Today's, yesterday's, last week's, last month's, next week's, next month's.....?

The one he's been talking about for decades... the anti-One-Sided Trade Deals.
www.youtube.com/embed/Lb6u6t5Nfus

Given I my important issues are: Ending one-sided "Free" Trade, want Assange and Manning freed, the Patriot Act rolled back (about 5% of warantless wiretaps involve Terrorism, it's now used mostly for the Drug War exactly as predicted by detractors), Reducing Immigration from it's all time high, Detente with Russia, and keeping Radical Religious Believers out of the USA, why should I vote for her?

FIFY...

landtof says

epussy ultra 57

marcus

are you two black, by any chance?

This is a damning matinee...

thunderlips11 says

The one he's been talking about for decades... the anti-One-Sided Trade Deals.

www.youtube.com/embed/Lb6u6t5Nfus

More of Trump's consistent Foreign/Trade policy over the decades collected in this montage:
www.youtube.com/embed/OCabT_O0YSM

Funny to hear Shillary supporters accusing Trump of flip-flopping, or "changing platforms". That's gotta be the peak denial.

mell says

Funny to hear Shillary supporters accusing Trump of flip-flopping, or "changing platforms". That's gotta be the peak denial.

There's obviously a difference between shifting positions over an extended period and doing it from day-to-day.

Bernie really paved the way for President Trump. Swooped Hillary from the left, so she can't rush to the center. Meanwhile, ol Donald Trump is going to beat Clinton at her own game, by moving to the center in order to gain votes

mell says

Funny to hear Shillary supporters accusing Trump of flip-flopping, or "changing platforms".

No problem with evolving opinions here. This is not about flip-flopping. This is about Trump being an idiot, a turd, a thoughtless piece of birther trash and a disgusting infantile trust-funder. The entitlement and fundamental lack of respect for other human beings shown by his behavior towards everyone, both citizens, immigrants, and political opponents (in the Republican Party) is breathtaking. If you have ever known trust-fund trash, this nauseating behavior will be familiar to you, in essence but not in magnitude. Trump is truly the king of clueless trust-fund trash: He makes W and Jeb look positively working-class in comparison.

The problem is that Trump viciously attacked all his primary opponents, in the most schoolyard language ever heard in political debates, on this very issue. He did everything short of sticking out his tongue and chanting "Na na na na na naaah poo-poo!"

Now, in the past 72 hours, Trump has:

1) Switched to a policy which is identical to that of his primary opponents
2) Made statements indicating that he has only begun to think about immigration policy, which has the central policy of his run for the presidency. Incredible.

errc says

Bernie really paved the way for President Trump. Swooped Hillary from the left, so she can't rush to the center. Meanwhile, ol Donald Trump is going to beat Clinton at her own game, by moving to the center in order to gain votes

Is that going to include even more tax breaks for the very rich?

errc says

Bernie really paved the way for President Trump.

I would think that now is the time for Bernie to swoop in and take the presidency on a write-in campaign.

After all, he is more popular in the Democratic Party than Hillary (smaller number of supporters notwithstanding) and has a better chance against Trump.

Should Bernie swing into action now, or wait until inauguration day, when his position will be even stronger?

Rashomon says

Is that going to include even more tax breaks for the very rich?

Of course. Tax breaks for the top are the essence of Trump's new brand of conservatism, and among the most refreshing changes he has made to the stale old policies of GOPe.

I'm not sure there's anything Bernie can do at this point, he's lost all momentum, and some of his street cred.

HydroCabron says

Rashomon says

Is that going to include even more tax breaks for the very rich?

Of course. Tax breaks for the top are the essence of Trump's new brand of conservatism, and among the most refreshing changes he has made to the stale old policies of GOPe.

Presumably that's how he can fund a yuuge infrastructure plan.

thunderlips11 says

..

Perhaps you'll honor this thread by giving a similar reasoning about of why you'll vote for Hillary, without mentioning Trump at all.

Sure, and you'll honor me by ignoring it again. But here goes: I support abortion rights, voting rights, unbiased redistricting, equal protection under the constitution, marriage rights for LGBT persons, I oppose theocracy and Citizens United. The composition of the Supreme Court is at a pivotal moment and the Republican party wants to repeal every right mentioned above while furthering theocracy and CU. If I'm not allowed to mention names and you claim to be unable to fill in the blanks you're being deliberately obtuse, again.

HydroCabron says

This is about Trump being an idiot, a turd, a thoughtless piece of birther trash and a disgusting infantile trust-funder. The entitlement and fundamental lack of respect for other human beings shown by his behavior towards everyone, both citizens, immigrants, and political opponents (in the Republican Party) is breathtaking. If you have ever known trust-fund trash, this nauseating behavior will be familiar to you, in essence but not in magnitude. Trump is truly the king of clueless trust-fund trash: He makes W and Jeb look positively working-class in comparison.

The problem is that Trump viciously attacked all his primary opponents, in the most schoolyard language ever heard in political debates, on this very issue. He did everything short of sticking out his tongue and chanting "Na na na na na naaah poo-poo!"

Now, in the past 72 hours, Trump has:

1) Switched to a policy which is identical to that of his primary opponents

2) Made statements indicating that he has only begun to think about immigration policy, which has the central policy of his run for the presidency. Incredible.

#orangedouchebag

neplusultra57 says

disgusting infantile trust-funder

Where as Hillary was born to a poor salesperson and her grandparents were immigrants. Then she dodged sniper fire, and left the White House Broke but within a little more than a decade ended up with around a $120M dollars. She worked hard to bring the Blacks Superpredators to Heel and supported her husband when he returned to Arkansas in the 1992 Campaign Season to fry a Retard to show how tough on Blacks Crime he was. She took a strong stance against gay marriage when running for NY (!) Senate, but then again she's always been for LGBTQABCXYZ rights, especially if you Don't Ask and Don't Tell. When she was Annie Oakley, she blasted Obama's positions on strong gun control; then she evolved and now understands gun bans are great. She handed over all the 'relevant' emails, except the ones she unilaterally decided weren't relevant, and some other work emails as well. She wants to reform campaign finance but is pushing all the boundaries of political campaign fundraising. She's for openness and transparency but keeps her lavish, expensive fundraisers closed to the press, unlike her predecessor, and hasn't had a press conference in 260+ days during a Presidential Campaign.

#PanderCakes #Abuelita #CrookedHillary

thunderlips11 says

The one he's been talking about for decades... the anti-One-Sided Trade Deals.

Yup the conversation I talked about earlier with my long time black friend and the other musician.
The young kid said "Trump says what ever the public wants to hear".
To which I started telling him the hisory of Trump saying the same things he's saying today going all the way back to 1986. I remember every bit of it.
Everytime he would do an interview on his views of ecconomic and world policy, people would ask, "Why doesn't he run?".
He's been dropping names and throwing the establishment under the bus for as long as I can remember television.

That's when my friend got agitated. The left is an incidious cancer that killing this country. If my friends don't snap out of this facist thought control censorship bullshit kick they are on. I'm going to drop them and find new ones. I would never pull that shit on them.

neplusultra57 says

But here goes: I support abortion rights, voting rights, unbiased redistricting, equal protection under the constitution, marriage rights for LGBT persons, I oppose theocracy and Citizens United. The composition of the Supreme Court is at a pivotal moment and the Republican party wants to repeal every right mentioned above while furthering theocracy and CU.

How do you square theocracy opposition and LGBTQ with Hillary's love affair with Saudi Arabia, the poster boy of Theocracy? Or her 'evolving' LGBTQ stances over he past decade?

I take it since you are opposed to theocracy, you are also against immigration from regions where religious extremist views are mainstream, like imprisonment, lashing, forcible sex changes, and even death for homosexuals?

I'm very dubious Hillary, given the Clinton's Fundraising Techniques and Strategies, has Citizens United a priority.

But, I appreciate your response and priorities, however mine are economic and foreign policy this election.

Tenpoundbass says

If my friends don't snap out of this facist thought control censorship bullshit kick they are on. I'm going to drop them and find new ones.

Two things:

First, are you saying that Trumps radical flip flops he's doing in the past several days ar actually some kind of liberal mind control ?

Secondly, just fyi, what I quoted here in this comment should be one sentence. Maybe you know that, and it's just what you like to do to be consistent with this TPB character you've created (lives in Florida, married to Peruvian, plays guitar, programmer and musician, right wing retard, poor grammar ).

Even in most programming languages, an if then statement is one statement, the ";" comes at the end of the whole thing. You could think of that as being kind of like a period.

Again, I know, maybe it's intentional and just part of this pretend character TPB.

thunderlips11 says

How do you square theocracy opposition and LGBTQ with Hillary's love affair with Saudi Arabia, the poster boy of Theocracy?

The same way you square advocating democracy with leg-humping Putin: meh!

thunderlips11 says

Or her 'evolving' LGBTQ stances over he past decade?

Better late than never, while Trump evolves to the right on torture and abortion, birtherism, climate change. As a Republican you'd think he'd know what "Rigged" meant by watching the Tea Party vote suppressors.

thunderlips11 says

But, I appreciate your response and priorities, however mine are economic and foreign policy this election.

So what is it about Trump's tax breaks for the super rich and his flip-flopping immigrant 'plans' and vaguer than vague general foreign policy 'plans' that attract you so much?

marcus says

Two things:

One thing.

Shut the fuck up if that's all you've got.

Tenpoundbass says

One thing.

Shut the fuck up if that's all you've got.

Is it hard to type from under that bus, Hitler?

You seem to be out of sorts since Trump betrayed you on the dirty immigrant issue. Is that warm universal-joint grease dripping on you? Does staring at the crankshaft make you cranky?

Rashomon says

So what is it about Trump's tax breaks for the super rich and his flip-flopping immigrant 'plans' and vaguer than vague general foreign policy 'plans' that attract you so much?

None of that matters to him/her.

It's one issue: weakening NATO so that Putin can take whatever territory he needs/wants without concern of a backlash from the west.

Seriously: don't waste your time. Poster is possibly (I'd guess 30%) a paid Russian shill who pivoted hard to Trump at the same time that the known shills working out of Russian IP addresses did last fall. Benign explanations include coincidence, or ingrained, total obedience to Russia Today's editorial dictates.

Since he/she also believes that Ukrainians shot down the KLM jetliner from inside Russian-controlled territory in Donbass, plus everything else on Russia Today's site, I wouldn't hope for realism or logic from that quarter. About the only conceivable pro-Putin Russian irredentist opinion [s]he has not yet expressed is that Putin should annex Sherman Oaks and Reseda because of the high Russian expat populaion living there.

If you want to know what [s]he thinks, just read RT.

neplusultra57 says

The same way you square advocating democracy with leg-humping Putin: meh!

Putin forces homosexuals to have sex changes, or executes gays and "Witches and Sorcerers"? Is it Assad or ISIS throwing gays off buildings and executing women with a bullet in the head at a street trial over 'adultery'?

How many Filipina Maids get trapped into domestic slavery guest worker programs in the Gulf with their passports taken from them so they can't leave?

neplusultra57 says

Better late than never, while Trump evolves to the right on torture and abortion, birtherism, climate change. As a Republican you'd think he'd know what "Rigged" meant by watching the Tea Party vote suppressors.

Or the Democratic Convention in Nevada, or the California Primary Vote Supression using odd ballot rules, or the dead voters of Chicago... the Republicans hardly have a lock on voter fraud and supression.

Well, Hillary can't go to the right like a Clinton usually does during the General. And she can't go much to the left or she'll piss off her corporate donors. She'll be MOR in an outsider election.

thunderlips11 says

Putin forces homosexuals to have sex changes, or executes gays and "Witches and Sorcerers"?

Ew, why does he make you feel so warm and fuzzy?

thunderlips11 says

Is it Assad or ISIS throwing gays off buildings and executing women with a bullet in the head at a street trial over 'adultery'?

Assad's preferred methods against his own people are chemical weapons and starvation. Warm and fuzzy.

thunderlips11 says

the Republicans hardly have a lock on voter fraud and supression.

Uh, yeah, they really do.Just ask the Supreme Court. Oh, wait...

thunderlips11 says

Well, Hillary can't go to the right...she can't go much to the left

If you recall, it was the SCOTUS noms that distinguish the Whore and the OrangeDouchebag, you know the thing you never, ever deal with, even in "honor" to any thread. If you really can't stand either the Whore or the Douchebag why do you like the Douchebag's noms? Or do you just refuse to ponder them? WWPD? Oh, don't bother. But if you do, remember the rules: no names? Tee Hee.

thunderlips11 says

Well, Hillary can't go to the right like a Clinton usually does during the General. And she can't go much to the left or she'll piss off her corporate donors.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2016

Hillary has acres of room to move to the left. She will probably hit a little more moderate notes post battle ground fights.

From the link:
"Are the fat cat vulgarian and the hawkish pin-up girl of Wall Street really the finest minds and noblest characters that America could come up with for its highest office? Identity politics will, again, triumph. We’ve had a black leader. Now it will be cool to have a woman, right? Thinking progressives, however, might reflect on the uncomfortable truth that a President Trump would be relentlessly scrutinised, criticised and checked not only by the Democrats, but also by many in his own party. Conversely, a Democratic president, ultimately more different in style than substance, would implement a largely Republican agenda in all but name and get a relatively easy ride. Haven't the last eight years of neo-conservatism and Democratic deference brought the country too close already to a one-party state masquerading as a two-party state?"

neplusultra57 says

it was the SCOTUS noms that distinguish the Whore and the OrangeDouchebag

That's probably the poster child case for why a simplistic graph is an imperfect representation. (shrug) I suppose one could make 20 of them to represent different aspects of belief.

Rew says

neplusultra57 says

it was the SCOTUS noms that distinguish the Whore and the OrangeDouchebag

That's probably the poster child case for why a simplistic graph is an imperfect representation.

It's also what simplifies choosing between two flawed candidates during a time when one can reasonably predict both of them to contend with a fractured Congress. The next four years will be the worst time to be an American president. At least with Clinton's noms in place we won't lose the rights I mentioned due to the country's desire to tear itself apart.

neplusultra57 says

It's also what simplifies choosing between two flawed candidates during a time when one can reasonably predict both of them to contend with a fractured Congress. The next four years will be the worst time to be an American president. At least with Clinton's noms in place we won't lose the rights I mentioned due to the country's desire to tear itself apart.

Very much agree. Very much agree.

neplusultra57 says

Ew, why does he make you feel so warm and fuzzy?

Nice Dodge. This is about comparing Russia vs. Saudi Arabia, specifically on the gay issue. I can see why you dodge it, it really doesn't make your candidate look very good. Executing Witches, Sorcerers, throwing people in jail for having a private prayer meeting in their home, kind of a bigger deal than giving a few Hippy Anarcho-feminists a few months stay in a basket-weaving prison for a history of fucking up a church service ranting against benefits for working mothers and having orgies in Public Museums, among other SJW crap (P-Riots big issue was pushing population decline).

neplusultra57 says

Assad's preferred methods against his own people are chemical weapons and starvation. Warm and fuzzy.

Chemical Weapons were shown to have been stolen by Freedom Fighters, the "Al Qaeda" Groups that make up most of the "Free Syrian Army" coalitions (although one group just claimed it is no longer affiliated with Al Qaeda as a political move to be more acceptable to Western military aid). The Destabilization of Syria started in 2006 under Bush via State Department Employees, and continued under Obama & Clinton. The deaths in Syria should be assigned to DC Insiders primarily. That's why we need an Outsider who doesn't fuck up and kill people left and right like DC Insiders.

Victoria Nuland in a higher office? The wife of Neocon Robert Kagan should be kept from the halls of Power at all costs.

neplusultra57 says

Uh, yeah, they really do.Just ask the Supreme Court. Oh, wait...

Not sure I'm happy with Clinton appointing Judges. She may pick anti-Civil Liberties judges who want to weaken the 2nd Amendment like Ruth Bader-Ginsberg, who is great on some issues and sucks on others. I certainly don't want her interpretation of "For the Militia, since no Militia, therefore no Arms" view of the 2nd Amendment to gain a majority.

neplusultra57 says

If you recall, it was the SCOTUS noms that distinguish the Whore and the OrangeDouchebag, you know the thing you never, ever deal with, even in "honor" to any thread. If you really can't stand either the Whore or the Douchebag why do you like the Douchebag's noms? Or do you just refuse to ponder them? WWPD? Oh, don't bother. But if you do, remember the rules: no names? Tee Hee.

As you can see from my posts, I care most about economics and foreign policy. Hillary and her team of Neocons - who just had a fundraiser for her featuring Robert Kagan himself - is out of the question.

I don't want a Brought and Paid For Gulf State Shill and Russophobe running US Foreign Policy. As a lawyer is lashed 500 times for suggesting Saudi Arabia reform it's religious police, and Saudi Arabia bombs the fuck out of schools and hospitals in Yemen to back their Wahabi-Salafi Dictator, she'll be out arming Ukrainian Skinheads and talking about a no-fly zone in Syria to ground that big ISIS/Al Qaeda Air Force.

We already had 16 years of neocons/hyperinterventionist warhawk liberals. Enough is Enough. I could not knowingly vote for it.Rew says

Hillary has acres of room to move to the left. She will probably hit a little more moderate notes post battle ground fights.

She doesn't want to move to the left. She's a neoliberal, a Blairite, who loves war, big debt, low taxes, corporate handouts, bank bailouts, private profits/public losses, but she has the "Correct Line" on Gays, "Islamophobia", and Abortion so it's okay to some folks,

BTW, I was told multiple times that Bush and the Republicans would ban Abortion. Didn't happen, can't happen, because it would be political suicide. The vast majority of the US supports Abortion at least in cases of rape and incest, even the majority of those who are 'pro-life'. Hardcore, uncompromising Anti-Abortionists-in-all-circumstances is maybe an eighth of the population, and is largely geriatric and confined to thinly populated rural areas like Dakotas and Wyoming and hinterlands of Deep South States - Cruz Voters.

I care more about the wars, and balanced economy (necessary to a massive country like the USA to survive, we are not a city-state like Singapore that can deliver decent wages and benefits solely on the back of some high end service jobs) than anything else.

thunderlips11 says

neplusultra57 says

Ew, why does he make you feel so warm and fuzzy?

Nice Dodge. This is about comparing Russia vs. Saudi Arabia, specifically on the gay issue. I can see why you dodge it, it really doesn't make your candidate look very good.

Russia's and SA's treatment of their population "don't enter into it" as John Cleese would say. Unless you want an intervention. Didn't think so. Red herring dodge on your part.

thunderlips11 says

Chemical Weapons were shown to have been stolen by Freedom Fighters

Says you. No link? Show me something believable. Prove the negative.

thunderlips11 says

Not sure I'm happy with Clinton appointing Judges. She may pick anti-Civil Liberties judges who want to weaken the 2nd Amendment

That's all you got? An alt-right red alert? Do you pine for Scalia? Really?

thunderlips11 says

I care most about economics and foreign policy.

About which Drumpf is a total moron totally out of his depth. Oh, what could go wrong!

The question is, what percentage of democrats will bother to vote, when it matters quite a bit more than usual, denying Trump from being elected.

Also, how many of those republicans are well off older northerners that have winter homes in Florida, and claim Florida residency for state tax reasons, but won't even be at the time of the elections ?

marcus says

The question is, what percentage of democrats will bother to vote, when it matters quite a bit more than usual, denying Trump from being elected.

More to the point, how many professed Republicans will actually vote for him when it comes down to it.

Rashomon says

More to the point, how many professed Republicans will actually vote for him when it comes down to it.

I don't know. How many republicans are truly conservative ? Any true conservative (not partisan Breitbot) is no way going to vote for Trump. Are you kidding me ? But I don't know how many real intelligent conservatives there are in the republican party. Too many tow the line of whatever Fox tells them to think.

Ironman says

It won't come down to the Repubs, it will come down to Indy's voting, and Trump has way more Indy's leaning his way.

Let me guess, your facts/data/links back you up.

marcus says

I don't know. How many republicans are truly conservative ? Any true conservative (not partisan Breitbot) is no way going to vote for Trump. Are you kidding me ? But I don't know how many real intelligent conservatives there are in the republican party. Too many tow the line of whatever Fox tells them to think.

We'll see. The debates should be good entertainment.

Ironman says

Rashomon says

Let me guess,

That's a great synopsis of all your posts with your NEW profile.

25,000 posts later and your approach hasn't changed. You possess a very uncreative mind. Should I put you on ignore so you can create yet another of your pussy-alts CIC?

jazz music says

Are you ready to defund Planned Parenthood? Keep Citizen's United? Expand campaign financing freedoms? Repeal Dodd-Frank? Do you deny man's impact on climate change? Ready to privatize and reduce Social Security? Like the flat rate tax idea? Back Israel against Iran? Expand NAFTA type deals? Against condoms? Against gay marriage? Against stem cell research?

Even thunderlips11 hates Pence, but what does all that matter? Bill got a blowjob!

jazz music says

Better entertainment than actually being debates. More like segues to "my handler's chosen talking points are ..... bla bla bla ... and they are really terrific, trust me, they're gonna make your head spin "

Could be, but the Donald is so thin-skinned, it surely won't be that difficult to set him off.