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Rew says

Really?

I suppose it's typical of the invade&import crowd that they've never heard of an organization called Human Rights Watch, which reported on the fact that atheism is now considered terrorism, as per Islam, in Saudi Arabia and other "allied" Muslim countries. Atheism is necesarily blasphemy, which was always a capital offense in Sharia, and surveys have shown consistently that most Muslims in countries with Muslim majorities want Sharia, for example more than 80% in the Islamic "republic" of Pakistan, where Asia Bibi awaits her execution, paid for by American "aid" money, aka jizya to the Islamic "Republic" of Pakistan, which would otherwise be a failed state. Even the British dole now uses tax revenue to subsidize polygamous Muslim families (both officially and unofficially), producing the bizarre result that younger Muslims are actually more likely to support Sharia than the older generations who immigrated and didn't come from polygamous families. The polygamists receiving the dole from the Anglicans call it jizya, as per Islam; with four wives, each family can produce four jihadis a year. The Islamic State has begun publishing online "kill lists," including the home addresses of Americans living in America, usually blasphemers but also security workers and other potential HVTs, e.g. transit police.

Rew says

Really? What country do you live in?

The District of Persecution in the State of Outer Wingnuttia.

www.youtube.com/embed/cYhpN7tkBSU

By the way, around the 40 second mark, the "Teacher" explains why ISIS throws gays off of buildings, it's based on a Koran verse "reduce them to the lowest of the low."

www.youtube.com/embed/4gZCFdHkd4A

turtledove is deplorable says

Muslims have been around a very long time. Yet, they haven't grown.

Says who? Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia, large portions of India ... even the US ... they are 6 million strong in the States and very progressive here. That's a population many bigger than a lot of muslim countries.

And as crazy as it will sound even Iran is becoming much more progressive. Their youth is 70 million strong and greatly likes Western Culture.

turtledove is deplorable says

So because there was once a Spanish Inquisition, this makes it okay for Muslims to remain in a stunted state of perpetual dark & middle ages? That's ridiculous. They don't get to throw the world back a millennia and claim that's okay because when you go back a millennia, Christians showed they could be brutal, too.

No, that doesn't justify ISIS's warped interpretation of Islam and their actions. It does refute the continued and consistent dialogue of Christianity being superior or somehow "above it". Ask the UK and Northern Ireland if they think Christian terrorism isn't a thing? The only time I've ever actually been afraid of a bombing was IRA action in the London underground.

If you want to find Christians beheading Muslims today, you can in the Central African Republic. I don't equate them with majority of Christian belief. Do you?
Nor do I equate this guy https://ballotpedia.org/Robert_Doggart as a representative of all politicians in the US. Do you?

It's stupid to take the radical fringe and think they are a majority voice. You will find a world full of enemies if you so easily form biased opinions like that.

HydroCabron says

The District of Persecution in the State of Outer Wingnuttia.

I hear white christian males are forced to use their own bathrooms there ... yeah, that's rough business.

Rew says

Says who? Indonesia, Turkey, Malaysia, large portions of India ... even the US ... they are 6 million strong in the States and very progressive here. That's a population many bigger than a lot of muslim countries.

Many parts of Malaysia and Indonesia were very liberal by Islamic standards: Easy Divorces, winking at occasional pork or alcohol consumption, etc. However, that was before 40 years of Saudi and Qatari oil money built Salafi-Wahabi maddrassahs and mosques, populated by Fundamentalist Clerics and Teachers paid for by our "Allies". Now you see Hijabs and Burkas in places where no such thing

Rew says

No, that doesn't justify ISIS's warped interpretation of Islam and their actions. It does refute the continued and consistent dialogue of Christianity being superior or somehow "above it". Ask the UK and Northern Ireland if they think Christian terrorism isn't a thing? The only time I've ever actually been afraid of a bombing was IRA action in the London underground.

At no point in the last 40 years has Christian Terrorism resulted in the deaths of 10,000s of people annually. The total death toll of the Troubles, including Civilians, IRA, Orangemen, British Soldiers, Irish Border Guards, etc. totals 3,568 - in more than 4 decades between 1969 to 2010. There was also a strong ideological as well as religious bent to the Struggle, with the IRA being Socialist and the Loyalists being Capitalists.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1hRidYe3-avd7gvlZWVi1YZB7QY6dKhekPS1I1kbFTnY/edit#gid=0

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

By the way, around the 40 second mark, the "Teacher" explains why ISIS throws gays off of buildings, it's based on a Koran verse "reduce them to the lowest of the low."

Gosh, "their" radicals think those things? So do "ours" ...
www.youtube.com/embed/pnVK_BvtZSo
... start at 1:30.

www.youtube.com/embed/w83kIAfuKoE
... start at 0:43 ... bonus cure for aids and commands from Leviticus.

Maybe ISIS and our Christian radicals will come together and wipe out the bathroom and bedroom politics for us?

Things can't get better,as long as Muslims are killing Muslims.
As ALLAH WILLS!!!!

For Comparative Purposes, Pakistan in 2015 had 3,682 deaths from Terror, including the terrorists, security forces, civilians, etc. Just that one year. So more deaths by Terror in Pakistan in 2015 than the Entire Troubles over 4 decades.

http://www.satp.org/satporgtp/countries/pakistan/database/casualties.htm

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

At no point in the last 40 years has Christian Terrorism resulted in the deaths of 10,000s of people annually.

The LRA has claimed over 100,000 lives and displaced over 400,000 since formation in 1987. They are radical Christians.

Strategist says

You know, I have been branded a terrorist by Muslims for being an atheist. The Islamic laws demand that i pay them Jizya. I am a second class citizen because I am a kuffar. Yet, i get attacked for calling Islam bad and sharia laws bad. I don't even have my constitutional rights to speak out against disgusting sharia laws without being called a bigot by Islam apologists.

Know a lot of Muslims do you Strat? Live in a Muslim country that requires you to pay jizyah? Didn't think so. And you don't get attacked for calling out Sharia or certain tenets of Islam. You get called out because you generalize your dislike of Islam to include a frequently bigoted view of Muslims as a whole.

Rew says

Strategist says

You know, I have been branded a terrorist by Muslims for being an atheist. The Islamic laws demand that i pay them Jizya. I am a second class citizen because I am a kuffar. Yet, i get attacked for calling Islam bad and sharia laws bad. I don't even have my constitutional rights to speak out against disgusting sharia laws without being called a bigot by Islam apologists.

Really? What country do you live in?

Irrelevant to what i mean to point out.

Rew says

Gosh, "their" radicals think those things? So do "ours" ...

In the west we have gone through centuries of criticism (sometime heavy) of religion, and as a result, the catholic church and other christian faiths have much less mainstream influence than they use to. As far as I know there wasn't any widespread beliefs or terrorist attack against gays originating from Christianity in recent memories.

To not recognize that we have a unique problem with Islam is
- first, intellectually dishonest, because there obviously is
- second it is immoral (or at best morally confused) because by comparing it to a more benign faith you are in effect defending immoral beliefs.

Rew says

Maybe ISIS and our Christian radicals will come together and wipe out the bathroom and bedroom politics for us?

That does appear to be your plan, calling in reinforcements. Or, rather, it's the plan that useful idiots are serving for partisan reasons, without realizing how they're being used. Certainly the Vatican has made explicit its edict that secular Europe must import more Muslims, who insist upon respect for religion, at the point of the sword. They say whatever they must in order to oppose their shared enemies: especially the dreaded atheists, and secularism generally.

Rew says

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

By the way, around the 40 second mark, the "Teacher" explains why ISIS throws gays off of buildings, it's based on a Koran verse "reduce them to the lowest of the low."

Gosh, "their" radicals think those things? So do "ours" ...

No Rew. "their" moderates think like our radicals. Disgusting subhumans.

Rashomon says

And you don't get attacked for calling out Sharia or certain tenets of Islam. You get called out because you generalize your dislike of Islam to include a frequently bigoted view of Muslims as a whole.

Islam is sharia, and sharia is Islam. There is no difference. Evil is evil.

Rew says

Gosh, "their" radicals think those things? So do "ours" ...

How many terror attacks have they committed against gays? Our nuts blabbber. Their nuts do, and aren't even considered that nuts by most.

Rew says

The LRA has claimed over 100,000 lives and displaced over 400,000 since formation in 1987. They are radical Christians.

Is a cult of personality around Kony, with ethnic and tribal aspects. Calling the LRA a Christian Group is like calling the Jim Jones Followers Christians.

Al-Baghdadi is a PhD equivalent of one of the most Prestigious Islamic Universities; Kony doesn't even have a bachelor's from Patriot University.

62% of Pakistanis say they have "No Opinion" of ISIS. IE "Know-Nothings"

IIRC the Muslims borrowed the more violent passages from the Old Testament.

If you go back in history the Christians are the clear winners in violence.

indigenous says

IIRC the Muslims borrowed the more violent passages from the Old Testament.

If you go back in history the Christians are the clear winners in violence.

Who cares for the past. I'm worried about the present and the future.

When It Comes to Killing in the Name of Religion and Nationhood, Christians Hold the Modern Record

http://www.truth-out.org/buzzflash/commentary/when-it-comes-to-killing-in-the-name-of-religion-and-nationhood-christians-hold-the-modern-record/17929-when-it-comes-to-killing-in-the-name-of-religion-and-nationhood-christians-hold-the-modern-record

Heraclitusstudent says

To not recognize that we have a unique problem with Islam is

- first, intellectually dishonest, because there obviously is

- second it is immoral (or at best morally confused) because by comparing it to a more benign faith you are in effect defending immoral beliefs.

Islam, like all religions has radicalization elements in it.
Yes, it has the most predominant problem with it right now.
To paint ISIS as the standard and not the radical element is a path toward the darkest chapters in human history. Essentially, hate will lead you to become what you despise.

thunderlips11 is deplorable says

Is a cult of personality around Kony, with ethnic and tribal aspects. Calling the LRA a Christian Group is like calling the Jim Jones Followers Christians.

Calling ISIS an Islamic group is the SAME!

it is an indicator that the terrorism will subside.

Generally injustice is a contributor to this sort of thing.

The denizens of this forum do not want to consider the injustice, regardless it fuels the situation.

indigenous says

Generally injustice is a contributor to this sort of thing.

The denizens of this forum do not want to consider the injustice, regardless it fuels the situation.

What, you mean like young males with things to live for don't go around joining heavily armed groups, killing people, and blowing themselves up?

Rew says

Calling ISIS and Islamic group is the SAME!

Nope. ISIS Is not a cult of personality, and it's multi-ethnic, and it's not underwritten by a neighboring opposing religious country. The LRA is a largely a Kony personality cult, mostly Acholi Tribespeople (not multi-ethnic) in response to domination and oppression by other Ugandan Tribes, doesn't attract 30,000 foreign fighters from around the world. The LRA was largely supported by the Sudan, a Salafi Islam Oligarchical Theocracy, which underwrote the LRA for their own purposes: The LRA fought Christian South Sudanese on behalf of Khartoum.

If tens of thousands of Christians from Canada to Australia to South Africa to Bolivia joined the LRA, because Deus Vult! you might have a good comparison here.

Strategist says

Islam is sharia, and sharia is Islam. There is no difference. Evil is evil.

There obviously is a difference seeing as they aren't the same thing. And the relevance of your comment was what, exactly? You spend a good amount of your time attacking ALL Muslims. Not Sharia, not Islam. You attack Muslims irrespective of how they act.
Strategist says

No Rew. "their" moderates think like our radicals. Disgusting subhumans.

And there we go.

Rew says

indigenous says

Generally injustice is a contributor to this sort of thing.

The denizens of this forum do not want to consider the injustice, regardless it fuels the situation.

What, you mean like young males with things to live for don't go around joining heavily armed groups, killing people, and blowing themselves up?

Among Muslims, education and wealth increase the risk of supporting terrorism. You can see it in academic studies and countless examples, including many cited on PatNet, including here and here. In his 20s, Osama bin Laden had more than 10 million USD and a university education.

More than half of British Muslims want homosexuality banned, and half want homosexual teachers banned from classrooms.
http://edition.cnn.com/2016/04/11/europe/britain-muslims-survey/
What British Muslims Really Think
https://www.icmunlimited.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Mulims-full-suite-data-plus-topline.pdf

If American Christians reported these kind of numbers, the Left would be screaming bloody murder. When Muslims report this, it's "Meh".

32% Ranked Hindus below "50" on a scale of 1-100

Liked Buddhists even less

It was much worse with Shirk Unbelievers

And of course horrible with Jews.

Rew says

To paint ISIS as the standard and not the radical element is a path toward the darkest chapters in human history. Essentially, hate will lead you to become what you despise.

Wow... so denouncing immoral beliefs is hateful?
You skipped a few steps here. I'm not the one who is hateful, the islamists are.
I have not (yet) become what I despise. I'm still on the right side. And you should be too.

curious2 says

Among Muslims, education and wealth increase the risk of supporting terrorism. You can see it in academic studies and countless examples, including many reported on PatNet. In his 20s, Osama bin Laden had more than 10 million USD and a university education.

Yea that could be, but you can't tell me that injustice doesn't fuel the situation. I read 250,000 non combatants killed since the 90s by the US. That effects people big time no matter what.

Rew says

What, you mean like young males with things to live for don't go around joining heavily armed groups, killing people, and blowing themselves up?

Hundreds of millions of non Muslims living in abject poverty the world over have nothing to live for, but i only see see Muslims becoming suicide bombers. The problem is not that they have nothing to live for, but what they have to die for. 72 fucking virgins and stupid beliefs spread by this so called religion.

Rashomon says

You spend a good amount of your time attacking ALL Muslims. Not Sharia, not Islam. You attack Muslims irrespective of how they act.

I don't attack Muslims who do not believe in sharia laws. They are the good guys.
If i was to hire someone, i would not hire a religious Muslim, because i know they believe in shariah laws. I see no point in hiring bigots.

curious2 says

The polygamists receiving the dole from the Anglicans call it jizya, as per Islam; with four wives, each family can produce four jihadis a year. The Islamic State has begun publishing online "kill lists," including the home addresses of Americans living in America, usually blasphemers but also security workers and other potential HVTs, e.g. transit police.

wonder how he feels about fundamentalist mormons in Utah

Strategist says

I don't attack Muslims who do not believe in sharia laws.

You've put up post after post attacking Muslims without any qualification.

Rashomon says

Strategist says

I don't attack Muslims who do not believe in sharia laws.

You've put up post after post attacking Muslims without any qualification.

Context my dear friend, context.

APOCALYPSEFUCK_is_ADORABLE says

Muslim chicks in the UK should all be issued M134.

That didn't work out so well in San Bernardino. Also Yemen, where Muslim females killed US special forces. Many of the females are believers, and either enable their husbands (e.g. Omar Mateen) or encourage their sons, and some become suicide bombers themselves. Perhaps we could arm the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence, instead.

I think her left eyebrow is somewhat .....missing

Dudes on ludes