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The second war upon Iraq under Shrub/Cheney cost 6 trillion +, killed close to a million people, and burnished American good standing across much of the world.

It was one of the biggest fuck-ups of all time in terms of world history.

It was a turning point (for the worse) in terms of America's history.

All neocons, including Hillary Clinton, should be permanently shunned.

In this case yes... Just chase with plenty of water.
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Believe it or not, I was actually waiting for some advice on this. Okay, a light one. It's just too big of a night not to mark it with a small hangover.

turtledove says

I just want to add, my son's military school had a mock election. Trump won at 56% of the vote. Ages 12-18. From the mouths of babes....

Telling because not until later years do you form a true political identity.

(Edit: i.e. you vote as your parents do.)

Hey, if he secretly brought up half the abandoned factories in PA and OH just for this moment, right on, so long as he provides decent jobs to Americans.

You know what the best thing is? My cynicism levels have decreased.

And, I don't need TRT replacement from listening to that shrill, harsh voice

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

You know what the best thing is? My paranoia and cynicism levels have decreased.

Sactly

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

You know what the best thing is? My paranoia and cynicism levels have decreased.

Mine are up. (3rd drink time! Calling in *sick* tomorrow) XD ... hahaha

I hope and almost pray that President Trump turns out to be the first president in modern US history to be a better president than anyone expects. Can miracles happen?

Oops, sorry...they called WI for Trump. My bad.

Rew says

Mine are up. (3rd drink time! Calling in *sick* tomorrow) XD ... hahaha

Well Rew, just wait until he tackles the Country Club GOPe.

Could even have a new party, the way the Republicans grew out of the Whigs.

justme says

I hope and almost pray that President Trump turns out to be the first president in modern US history to be a better president than anyone expects. Can miracles happen?

Yes, Schwarzenegger turned out to be pretty good after all.

Telling because not until later years do you form a true political identity.
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My mother is a hideous democrat. Seriously, she borders on Communist! Both of my brothers are democrats. I'm the rebel. The only one who lived a clean life... never did drugs... never got into trouble.... always landed on my feet.... never needed help....

My dad, however, my real dad... The one I never grew up with... He is a Republican (ex Naval Officer). But you can't say it's due to influence... I've spent maybe a month with him across my entire life.

I would welcome a new party show up for America.

:) Good one "Just Any Guy"

www.youtube.com/embed/8aH0sL2SDYE

just any guy says

they called WI for Trump

ERECTION INTENSIFYING

turtledove says

... never did drugs... never got into trouble.... always landed on my feet.... never needed help....

I was waiting for the had great boobs?

Come on Tdove. It's the new America. Even I get to say shit like that now. ;)

rando says

Yes, Schwarzenegger turned out to be pretty good after all.

How do you figure?

Last thing I want to see tonight is Pantsuit's Concession Speech.

Let's see!

Rew says

I was waiting for the had great boobs?

Come on Tdove. It's the new America. Even I get to say shit like that now. ;)

Liberate the girls! Liberate the boys to talk about those girls!

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

Liberate the girls! Liberate the boys to talk about those girls!

Dicks out for Trump.

I hope and almost pray that President Trump turns out to be the first president in modern US history to be a better president than anyone expects. Can miracles happen?
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I truly hope the same thing. I believed in the "movement," if you will... but I hope he lives up to all the hope we have in his ability to be an agent of change. I wish him the best. It won't be easy. But I truly hope he can be the man we want/need him to be.

pc is going down the tubes...

Our new president will teach us a new language.

Sometime this week, there will be a gloat thread. Here is a Taste:
Why Trump’s concession speech would be like no other in U.S. history

Read more here: http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/article112552522.html#storylink=cpy
http://www.sacbee.com/news/politics-government/election/article112552522.html

turtledove says

I truly hope the same thing. I believed in the "movement," if you will... but I hope he lives up to all he hope we have in his ability to be an agent of change. I wish him the best. It won't be easy. But I truly hope he can be the man we want/need him to be.

Your lips, to god's ears. I hope things calm down for the next few weeks so we can all catch a breath.

Doubt it. His naughty words are old grey pubed crap.

I'm a hideous democratic socialist.

Red states will now lead mother webster to the promised land...

My penis grew by 25% in length when Trump won Wisconsin.

Rew says

Pot looks like it passes. We can smoke our way through the next four years I suppose. FUUuuuuuu ....hhhh ...

Hooked up with a hottie that works at a dispensary last weekend. She told me she hopes recreational doesn't pass in CA because:

- It'll be taxed heavily and all the money goes to one billionaire
- Under age 21 first time caught in possession is mandatory 6 months jail time
- They'll have to quit selling all derived products. Only buds, no edibles - to protect kids

just any guy says

Imagine all the votes for Johnson that were taken away from Trump and not Hillary.

Here, here

I filled out the whole ballot

Even flipped it over to vote no to keep judges around five more years of senility

I sat there a minute and looked at the Pence part, and was like I can't do it. Almost wrote in Bernie but went with cannabis Johnson vote instead

#neverhillary

Trump is VERY close to winning Iowa, New Hampshire, WISCONSIN and Arizona.

That would do it, even if he were to lose Michigan & Pennsylvania (and Trump is close even in Pennsylvania).

Hillary is being prepped to make a concession speech as I write this.

I was waiting for the had great boobs?

Come on Tdove. It's the new America. Even I get to say shit like that now. ;)
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No worries. I had it coming. It's the risk one takes.

freespeechforever says

Trump is VERY close to winning Iowa, New Hampshire, WISCONSIN and Arizona.

That would do it, even if he were to lose Michigan & Pennsylvania (and Trump is close even in Pennsylvania).

One point out in PA with 20% left. Could happen.

Why Trump won. Seth Myers demonstrates why.

www.youtube.com/embed/HvV2JY8kbgI

Instead of listening to the Bernie or Bust voters, especially all the independent and swing voters, the Democrats just expected that anyone who isn't a die-hard conservative would automatically vote for Hillary out of fear of a Trump presidency. That assumption proved wrong. If the fear of Trump wasn't enough to get primary voters, die-hard Democrats, to vote for Bernie, the candidate guaranteed to beat Trump, then why would that fear persuade independent and swing voters?

The DNC's tactic of fear has utterly failed. Now the Democrats and all mainstream media and Hollywood have to acknowledge that you cannot shame or scare voters into voting how you want them to. You actually have to listen to the people who say, "Hey, we want to vote for a Democrat, but we cannot vote for Hillary. Give us another choice or lose the election.". Those people are being honest, and if you ignore them then you don't get their votes. Learn.

They won't.

Dan8267 says

Now the Democrats and all mainstream media and Hollywood have to acknowledge that you cannot shame or scare voters into voting how you want them to. You actually have to listen to the people who say, "Hey, we want to vote for a Democrat, but we cannot vote for Hillary. Give us another choice or lose the election.

Is this in the bag yet?

We're not prematurely celebrating are we

turtledove says

No worries. I had it coming. It's the risk one takes.

Very lady like doll. Salute.

Judy Woodruff on PBS has had her patented look of grave concern on her face since 6pm PST. She just cannot fathom that people would not automatically vote for a woman, even as the woman in question, and her political machine, aided by scores of really dumb single-gender voters, shunted aside Bernie Sanders, who was the only hope we had.