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Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

In all the decades the UK reduced tariffs to next to nothing, nobody reciprocated to the same degree.

Gosh, it is almost as if the UK wanted an influx of foreign goods? I'm sure they had NO CLUE they were doing that.

They are already constructing a poison mirror. Trumpligula won't be able to resist.

KILL FOR KHRIST!

Rew says

Gosh, it is almost as if the UK wanted an influx of foreign goods? I'm sure they had NO CLUE they were doing that.

The 19th Century UK was desperate to find new markets. They thought they'd crusade on free trade, using moral guilt and propaganda about benefits to get reciprocity, so they had one-sided free trade with most of the World. It was never reciprocated, indeed their greatest rival soon attempted to dominate Europe and almost succeeded twice, wealthy on one-sided exports to the UK when they kept a huge tariff on British Goods entering Germany.

Within 50 years the UK went from unstoppable and overwhelmingly powerful, to a second rate power.

We're doing it all over again, but with the US and China.

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

China has had 20 years to reciprocate.

Their freebies are over now. Watch how quickly they reciprocate.

When the Chinese ballistic launched warhead slams into the USS Nimitz and kills 1000 sailors, it was because of a variety of technologies engineered from US plants that subcontracted to Chinese firms in the guidance system.

Shake Bill Clinton and Dubya's hands that day, for their role in peace and freedom.

Trade doesn't make the world a safer place. The biggest wars are between the biggest trade partners.

Any excuse to throw a rock through a department store window to loot is a good excuse.

Thunderlips Russian Agent 0069 says

The problem is you forget most tariffs are a one-way street. There are massive tariff AND non-tariff barriers by Japan and China to the entry of US goods.

We trade with just a few more countries than china or japan. Like 191 of them. Put up a tariff barrier with China then production will simply slide somewhere else. The corporations will play global whack a mole much faster than governments can react. You keep ignoring the fact that even if some manufacturing comes back it will be highly automated. The number of new jobs will be very limited, while the cost of domestic goods will go up sharply. Win for the .1%. Loser for everyone else.

Even with massive barriers we sold 200 billion to china and japan last year. I'm sure boeing will be thrilled to lose their projected trillion dollars in sales to china over the next 20 years to airbus once we start a trade war. I guess boeing can make toasters and washing machines for the domestic market instead.

The butt hurt is strong in this one.

Jezebel: Oh, And Fuck Jill Stein Too

While we’re chatting, fuck you to everyone who cast a protest vote or chose not to vote. Fuck you to Susan Sarandon and of course, fuck Jill Stein.

History will remember this.

Hey dickwad, maybe you shouldn't have forced Hillary on us and made us choose between her and Trump when there were three candidates who would have crushed Trump and are better than Hillary in every single way.

Oh, and how isn't it misogynistic to say that about Jill Stein, but not voting for Hillary makes us all chauvinists?

#letTheButthurtFlow

The Wogster is saying that the tariffs will wreak havoc.

IIRC a while back he said that Smoot Hawley had no effect on the economy at the time.

What was it Trump talked about in the debates about taxes. Was it income averaging?

As far as tariffs go, that is a lose lose. Economics 101, comparative advantage is what creates an economy.

bob2356 says

We trade with just a few more countries than china or japan. Like 191 of them. Put up a tariff barrier with China then production will simply slide somewhere else.

The idea is to make China buy more from us, so that we don't have the huge trade deficits with them.
I was in Las Vegas 10 days ago, and I saw lots of Chinese tourists throw money around like crazy. We want more of that.

Just in......BLM rioters out and about in Chicago.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/election-results-reaction-streets/index.html

Let's get real, Trump won the popular vote. Now, I know what you are saying. Hillary won the popular vote by like 0.1%. Except that she didn't really. If you really want to measure the popular opinion, then you have to eliminate all spoilers. In a pure Hillary v. Trump election, Trump gets the majority of the vote by about 2%. Here's why.

Let's give all Jill Stein's votes and all other candidate's votes to Hillary. That gives her an additional 1.7%, and that's erring way on the side of Hillary.

Gary Johnson votes, however, clearly go to Trump. Johnson is a Republican turned Libertarian and the Libertarian Party is basically the Republican Party minus the social conservative agenda. That's 3% for Trump pushing him clearly into the majority.

The point is that the argument that Hillary lost solely due to the electoral college is flawed. If we did elections right with instant run-offs, she still loses. The majority, however slight, of voters preferred the orange haired turd to the pantsuit turd.

bob2356 says

We trade with just a few more countries than china or japan. Like 191 of them

Yep. And we have a Trade Deficit in excess of half a Trillion dollars a year. It doesn't matter if we have a $20M surplus with Sukamycuk Island in Polynesia if we have a $350B Trade Deficit with China.

This is the Walter Williams argument that is quite exploded.

At some point you have to sell to buy. Balanced Trade is Good Trade.

bob2356 says

Even with massive barriers we sold 200 billion to china and japan last year. I'm sure boeing will be thrilled to lose their projected trillion dollars in sales to china over the next 20 years to airbus once we start a trade war. I guess boeing can make toasters and washing machines for the domestic market instead.

I guarantee you Boeing is lying off their ass about their new China Plant, and is champing at the bit to lay off as much of their US workforce as soon as the new plant gets up to snuff. This after pocketing decades of taxpayer freebies to keep them in the USA.

Very High Value Added, High Tech jobs.

You apologists used to claim it was only plastic hangers and cotton sock jobs going abroad.

Now we have high tech, high added value added Systems Control manufacturing jobs moving to Mexico.

What are you going to do to employ tens of millions of Americans in decent jobs where they can achieve the American Dream, not tread water on a mix of Medicaid and Food Stamps?

Is it a coincidence that the world's largest free trade country has a Job Mix most 3rd world countries would be embarrassed to have? Ass Wiper, Hotel and Hospitality? Minimum wage, no advancement, little value added? Are those the "Jobs of the Future(tm)!" you Neoliberals promised?

"We can't change nuthin'!!! Besides, shitty racist sexist rednecks deserve shitty jobs" is the same argument "Why, if we don't have 5-year olds in the mines and a 68 hour workweek, the economy will collapse and idleness is the tool of the devil!"

Ironman says

Protests Flare Against Donald Trump’s Election.

Large crowds gathered in New York, California and Texas.

The people have spoken, Trump will be President. These scumbag protesters have no respect for the democracy that we love.
Shoot them.

Lips is economically illiterate. The US is the second largest manufacturing country in the world.

Comparative advantage and trade are the very thing that creates the economy. It is literally the oldest practice in the world.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/us-manufacturing-dead-output-has-doubled-in-three-decades-2016-03-28

It's illegal to threaten a President. I assume the same goes for a President-elect.
These sore losers belong in jail.

Gary Anderson says

The recession is coming. It would have happened to either president, but it is going to happen to Trump. How he handles it, and does he have any tools to handle it will be the question. Recession in 3-9 months:

He is planning on tax cuts, and massive infrastructure spending. There will be no recession in that scenario. Stop dreaming.

It's a bad system created over two centuries ago and should be eliminated.
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Why, because it puts the power of electing the President in the hands of ALL the states rather than a handful of the country's most populous states? Do you really think it would be better if CA & New England determined every election, because I know you know enough about numbers to know that's what would happen if there were only a popular vote? Talk about fracturing this country and inciting violence.

indigenous says

Lips is economically illiterate

I love you man.

indigenous says

Comparative advantage and trade are the very thing that creates the economy. It is literally the oldest practice in the world.

For most of human history, intergroup trade (and intragroup trade for that matter) was a fly on an elephant's ass. The first trades when civilization existed were between governments.

Hillary had majority of primary Superdelegates, pretty sad for her people to whinge about Electoral College.

They should can that system first. It failed to nominate the better candidate.

Not having a true representative democracy will eventually give someone a legitimate argument for violent revolt.
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And not allowing a voice outside of certain major cities would lead to secession. We'd become regionalized... and eventually look more like Europe. Unless, of course, everything's held together by force. It's sad that you have so little appreciation for the genius behind our system.

Strategist says

massive infrastructure spending.

"Show me the money!"
Trick Question: From where does the money suddenly appear?
Maybe other programs?
T.Q #2 From where does the money in other programs suddenly appear?

HEY YOU says

Strategist says

massive infrastructure spending.

"Show me the money!"

Trick Question: From where does the money suddenly appear?

Maybe other programs?

T.Q #2 From where does the money in other programs suddenly appear?

Borrowing.

Thunderlips Licks Shill Tears says

For most of human history, intergroup trade (and intragroup trade for that matter) was a fly on an elephant's ass. The first trades when civilization existed were between governments.

And so was economics but still older than prostitution.

Ironman says

5 Shot, 2 LIfe-Threatening Injuries During Anti-Trump Protest In Seattle.

Hey, move to Canada, assholes.

What aspect of a city lends itself to a person's identity?
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Seriously? C'mon. You know the answer to that question. That's just silly. What is the identity of San Francisco? What's the identity of Seattle? What comes to mind when you think of Mobile? You are being disingenuous, here. I know you already know this.

As for the weight of votes... It's not like it isn't linked to population. CA electoral votes are not equal to Nebraska. But by allowing each state a voice, it means that CA cannot go off the rails. If CA wants to have a say (as a primarily Democratic population) it must coordinate with other states. It's a system that demands collaboration among the different states. I think you underestimate how much this aspect of the Republic is what makes it possible for us to be so different across the different states... Multiplied across a massive country... Yet so similar as a fairly large nation.

You would lose that if you go to a simple popular vote. CA and NY would rule. Period. People who think like NY and CA would move to those places in order to have a voice. People who feel differently, would leave... Gravitating to places where they feel they belong. Desperate to gain a voice. Again... within ten years, you'd have Europe, at best. I think it would be a disaster. It works locally... But not across a country of this size. Do you not see my point, at all?

1 in about every 12 solid blue democrats have been lying to the polls for nearly six months.

Ironman says

The pollsters wheren't wrong. They oversampled and adjusted their polls to give them the result they wanted instead of the result that would be true.

In order to influence the voters, and the outcome of the elections.

deepcgi says

1 in about every 12 solid blue democrats have been lying to the polls for nearly six months.

That was the Bernie voters who said "Fuck you free trade Hillary."

If California had a closely split electorate, it would be taking votes away from Kansas
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Okay, but in your first draft, you said the imaginary CA closely split electorate (ROFLMAO) would be taking votes away from Texas. Now it says Kansas. Why did you change states? I bet you see where I'm going with this, don't you?

Strategist says

He is planning on tax cuts, and massive infrastructure spending. There will be no recession in that scenario. Stop dreaming.

According to Edward Lambert, that won't help. It will help people, but not the GDP. That is what FDR ran into when he did the same. Jobs actually were fewer in 1939 than in 1931. Now, I am not saying it would not help people, but it will likely not help GDP because infrastructure times out. It cannot be sustained.

It will, however, create more treasuries for Wall Street to use as gold collateral in the derivatives markets. And the US should get something in return from Wall Street for doing that.

Good news on education! For profit colleges are loving Trump ... Trump University after all:
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-11-09/the-trump-era-is-already-giving-a-boost-to-sagging-student-lenders

;)

Snowflakes don't riot. They cry big rivers of sobbing, gut wrenching pathetic tears, get dehydrated, then have a few gatorades, and continue crying.

Dan8267 says

Been saying that for years. Hillary's defeat is the first step on that path. Trump's disastrous presidency is the second.

So wipe the checkerboard clean and play checkers again with black and white chips. All the while you are landed with plebeian slaves telling them this is progress.

Just another event that supports the prime directive:
"Be careful who you piss off."
This spans all value systems.
Could have very easily been Clinton haters if she was elected.

I think his road to the presidency has been stranger than fiction, the entire thing is so fascinating to me, but i feel like he is going to get stonewalled by his own party in congress.

I am seeing a lot of rhetoric from the deranged lefties of killing trump and some even suggesting killing Pence/Trump. Judging by the violence the elfties have routinely indulged in-I think some might take it seriously-there are elfties shooting cops dead-drawing them into ambushes. other lefties cheering them on.

While some of the stupid ivory tower lefties may cheer this on-remember if anarchy reigns -these fools will turn their guns on the rest of us. Pol Pot, Stalin, Kim Jong UN are all examples of leftie utopia.

I say a prayer for trump and his family. I also pray our society does not fall to these degenerate lefties to whom having a different opinion is reason enough to kill. If a president is facing these threats-imagine us the common man-people were chased and bloodied on the streets, women were assaulted-for attending a Presidential candidate's rally. Some lefties on this very forum said that was understandable. In fact they said that was a lesson for those of us who dared to have an opinion different from them.

We are in dangerous time,s with the deranged left in full display and a mainstream media that still covers it up. My only hope is Trump has the strength to prevent us from sliding into the abyss and save us from these deranged bigots/mindless drones/leftist ivory tower critters.

lostand confused says

I am seeing a lot of rhetoric from the deranged lefties of killing trump and some even suggesting killing Pence/Trump.

So much for tolerance.

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