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rando says

Why is it only "her body, her choice" when the guy is also biologically a parent of the child? Why does the man have only the responsibility of support, but no right to decide on abortion or not of his own child?

You aren't serious are you Patrick? No woman will let a man decide. She will run away and do what she wants.

Gary Anderson says

If you are married, you want breast cancer to have a major priority. Happy wife, happy life. If you don't have a significant other, you should get out more.

married or not breast cancer should not be more important than prostate cancer or any other types of cancer. that is the whole point.

happy married life is a two-way street and should not be 100% about pleasing the wife. that is sign of a weak, pussy whipped male who is scared he can't ever get sex again in his life if he loses the old saggy wife.

Mark D says

happy married life is a two-way street and should not be 100% about pleasing the wife. that is sign of a weak, pussy whipped male who is scared he can't ever get sex again in his life if he loses the old saggy wife

IOW, happy married life is, in part, not being a cuck

"When you leave out examples of what you're talking about, you're intentionally running away from the conversation.

I gave some very specific examples of what I was talking about. How about you do the same? List one thing you consider fake oppression."

Real oppression is Slavery, Jim Crow, Refusal of the right to vote IMO. I just think it's hard to argue that white men are oppressed when I believe if you asked 100 non-white, or non-men on the street if they think their lives would be better if they had been born a white man--you'd get a large majority saying yes.

Fake oppression--globalization which affects minorities and women as much as white men and actually unduly benefits white men. Affirmative action. Even rape laws--it's a very difficult balance to respect the rights of the victim and of the accused. Maybe it's swung too far to the victim side, but that is at least partially because men made many trials about the woman's sexual history and what clothing she wore. Probably needs to be modified further to bring it back to balance.

joeyjojojunior says

globalization which affects minorities and women as much as white men and actually unduly benefits white men.

Bullshit. The vast majority of Whites, like any group, are working class to middle class.

The New Left/Regressive Left keeps putting up an image that every white male is a corporate lawyer who went to prep school living in the greenbelt. When they say "White Males" and "White Privilege", that's the image they have in mind. Not of homeless vets, WV Coal Miners, or a Home Improvement shelf stocker in Stockton.

One only needs to drive around Middle America, in the Rust Belt and down Mississippi, to see the wanton destruction of trillions of dollars in economic activity caused by Globaloney.

This thread has turned into a mansplaining hiccup.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Bullshit. The vast majority of Whites, like any group, are working class to middle class.

The New Left/Regressive Left keeps putting up an image that every white male is a corporate lawyer who went to prep school living in the greenbelt. When they say "White Males" and "White Privilege", that's the image they have in mind. Not of homeless vets, WV Coal Miners, or a Home Improvement shelf stocker in Stockton.

Agreed. As if the "white" part of the elite cares any more or less about white vs or non-white middle-class workers or poor. They point at the couple of white assholes in the elite and use that as an argument that racism exists because they are white and wealthy. If you actually believe that the vast majority of the governing elite in power is white then the conclusion should be that they are biased against the white male middle-class and the indigenous poor, if you look at the politics of the past decades.

Mark D says

that is sign of a weak, pussy whipped male who is scared he can't ever get sex again in his

Don't confuse putting your woman first with weakness. Macho is weak.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

One only needs to drive around Middle America, in the Rust Belt and down Mississippi, to see the wanton destruction of trillions of dollars in economic activity caused by Globaloney.

True, but the alternative could make the US not competitive.There are abuses of globalization but free trade is not inherently evil.

joeyjojojunior says

Lets take something as nasty and vile and horrible as forcing a man to pay support for a child he didn't father. It's disgusting and blatant anti-male discrimination. If something like that ever happened to my son, hell hath no fury.........

I thought it was a part of the marriage contract. The nat. father should have no rights. Why pay child support. Just divorce if you separate.Go after alimony from the wife.

Here, this happened at the high school in the next town from me, Princeton, NJ. Obviously, someone who fits the mold of the type of person we are describing here. But then scroll down to the comments. Some will defend this woman at all costs. Princeton is an incredibly left leaning town, yet this woman managed to get into a heavy spat with 16 and 17 year old kids in a high school where she was an invited speaker. She has no idea what professionalism is, but is free to continue going about the lecture circuit free of real criticism. In fact, I'm appalled this didn't make the state newspaper and is restricted to the local princeton website.

https://planetprinceton.com/2016/11/17/talk-at-princeton-high-about-digital-privacy-takes-a-controversial-turn-principal-apologizes/#disqus_thread

Oh and wouldn't you know it, she's made sexual harassment allegations as well.

http://www.dailydot.com/layer8/jacob-appelbaum-sexual-assault-alison-macrina/

“He told me he wanted to take a bath, and invited me into his bathroom to hang out with him," she wrote. Macrina said she agreed under the condition that she wouldn’t get inside the bathtub with him. She said she went into the bathroom and sat down on the toilet where the two began chatting. “He immediately began coercing me to get into his bathtub,” she writes.

“I was thinking, what the fuck, get out of this situation,” Macrina writes, “why are you in this fucking bathtub with this man when you repeatedly told him no.” After a minute or two of “nonconsensual washing,” Macrina says she jumped out of the tub and started crying in the corner of the bathroom. Appelbaum continued talking as if nothing had happened, Macrina writes.

"Bullshit. The vast majority of Whites, like any group, are working class to middle class."

No it's absolutely true. The vast, vast, vast majority of company execs and owners are white men. So the ills are shared by all, and the benefits are reaped very disproportionally to white males.

"One only needs to drive around Middle America, in the Rust Belt and down Mississippi, to see the wanton destruction of trillions of dollars in economic activity caused by Globaloney."

Or Flint, Michigan. Then drive to the board rooms of Ford, GM, or any Fortune 500 company and tell me what color you see. And what sex. Those are the guys that win from globalization.

"Agreed. As if the "white" part of the elite cares any more or less about white vs or non-white middle-class workers or poor. They point at the couple of white assholes in the elite and use that as an argument that racism exists because they are white and wealthy. If you actually believe that the vast majority of the governing elite in power is white then the conclusion should be that they are biased against the white male middle-class and the indigenous poor, if you look at the politics of the past decades."

They are biased against anyone but themselves. Because everyone else wants money that is rightfully theirs (in their view). That was my point, Mell. Thunder is the one that says globalization is an example of how whites are oppressed.

"Oh for fuck sake, you can't be serious. Network television has aired feminists who say air conditioning in offices is sexist. Do I even need to go on????? The main thing I would say qualifies as fake oppression and inspires the most discrimination is the wage gap. The way it's being portrayed is a bald faced lie.

BTW you didn't give one single example so please do so now. What is one men's rights issue I mentioned that you consider fake oppression?"

That's my point though. One idiot who goes on TV and says something ridiculous isn't oppressing anyone. Last I checked, most offices still have air conditioning. So, how is anyone oppressed by her idiocy?

And I agree the wage gap is fake oppression. If you control for the right factors, it magically goes away.

"I don't think you understand the conversation. What FAKE OPPRESSION do you see the men's rights movement claiming? NO ONE claims that globalization is the oppression of men. NO ONE."

Actually, Thunder does. I understand that your conversation is men's rights. Doesn't mean that's what I'm discussing with others.

"Again this wasn't something I mentioned but affirmative action is racism/sexism. Anything that discriminates based on race or sex is oppression."

Again--this thread is about more than just your pet topic of men's rights. The title is specifically WHITE males, which seems to imply the white is important.

"Feminism is what feminism does. We're talking about FAKE oppression. I have yet to hear of one single instance of real oppression that Western women face."

Yep, and you being oppressed by that feminist is FAKE oppression.

"A woman's sexual history is of vital importance to proving the crime of a false rape allegation and defending the accusation of rape. Many "rapes" are simply cases of the male claiming consensual sex and the female claiming it was rape. Therefore a woman's sexual promiscuity is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to determine if she's an individual who has casual sex on a regular basis or she's a person who does not or even if she's a virgin."

I disagree with that. Is there any evidence that a woman that has sex more often is more likely to make up a rape claim? I would think it's actually the exact opposite. A woman who wants to protect her squeaky clean image after a one night stand that she regrets is more likely to make up a rape claim. So a woman's promiscuity is actually a indication that she's probably telling the truth.

And the proper way to address the issue is to have severe penalties for making up rape claims.

joeyjojojunior says

Real oppression is Slavery, Jim Crow, Refusal of the right to vote IMO

What year is it? Join us in the new millennium.

joeyjojojunior says

Or Flint, Michigan. Then drive to the board rooms of Ford, GM, or any Fortune 500 company and tell me what color you see. And what sex. Those are the guys that win from globalization.

Go to an NFL Team of Record Company's roster of Gold Album Rappers. They're almost all black! Therefore, all blacks - black males in particular - are very well off.

joeyjojojunior says

No it's absolutely true. The vast, vast, vast majority of company execs and owners are white men. So the ills are shared by all, and the benefits are reaped very disproportionally to white males.

Got it, so for every Corporate Executive white male there aren't 100 White Males (at least) who stock shelves, dump the trash, fix the powerlines after an ice storm. Good to know.

joeyjojojunior says

Or Flint, Michigan. Then drive to the board rooms of Ford, GM, or any Fortune 500 company and tell me what color you see. And what sex. Those are the guys that win from globalization.

Right, the guys who were laid off from Bumville Meat Packing, who do all of the actual work, are just so privileged.

"Got it, so for every Corporate Executive white male there aren't 100 White Males (at least) who stock shelves, dump the trash, fix the powerlines after an ice storm. Good to know."

Are you this dim? Do you really not see the point?

Globalization hurt white males, black males, Hispanic males, white females, black females, and Hispanic females.

Globalization helped white males.

In total:

White males: results are mixed. Many hurt, some helped.
Black males: hurt
Hispanic males: hurt
White females: hurt
Black females: hurt
Hispanic females: hurt

So, white males have fared best by being hurt the least as a group.

"Straw man. (correct usage) There is AMPLE evidence that women who have frequent sex with strangers or men they have known for a short period of time are far more likely to GIVE CONSENT. Since the crime of rape is only about consent, any evidence that speaks to her willingness to give consent is critical to his defense. Eliminating sexual history from rape trials is a heinous miscarriage of justice."

Absolutely NOT a straw man. You are 100% wrong. Giving consent to one man does not imply that she would give consent to all men. By all means provide evidence that consent was given through words or actions. But just saying that she had sex with Joe and that means she probably would allow Jack to have sex with her too is not logical.

@joeyjojojunior try the "Quote" link by any comment, and it will nicely format a quote of that comment in the text box.

You can also select just part of the comment and then click Quote to get just that part.

There are a few bugs with quoting, and it helps to know html if you want to modify things before submitting, but in general the quote function works pretty well.

joeyjojojunior says

"Oh for fuck sake, you can't be serious. Network television has aired feminists who say air conditioning in offices is sexist. Do I even need to go on????? The main thing I would say qualifies as fake oppression and inspires the most discrimination is the wage gap. The way it's being portrayed is a bald faced lie.

BTW you didn't give one single example so please do so now. What is one men's rights issue I mentioned that you consider fake oppression?"

That's my point though. One idiot who goes on TV and says something ridiculous isn't oppressing anyone. Last I checked, most offices still have air conditioning. So, how is anyone oppressed by her idiocy?

And I agree the wage gap is fake oppression. If you control for the right factors, it magically goes away.

I was on a science forum and dared to claim that women are no longer discriminated against in science now that fellowships and funding are heavily geared towards increasing "women in science". I was pounced on left and right by both males and females alike. Anyone that agreed with me stood silent for fear of being labeled the same. The discrimination is real and the men who go along with it validate it. The fucked up thing was, my whole argument was derived from statements my wife has made. So I took a female scientists statements, restated them as a man, as was declared sexist and discriminatory.

My parents had a neighbor who was very successful. Owned a 700k home in a great neighborhood. 4 kids in their teens. They got divorced. The wife got the house, child support, and alimony. Basically, 700k, plus 2 gigantic monthly checks. Within 5 months, she moved her new boyfriend into the house and his daughter. Are they ever going to get married? Of course not. That would cut off that sweet income stream.

Gary Anderson says

Don't confuse putting your woman first with weakness. Macho is weak.

that is just your whipped 'philosophy' not everyone's. putting your women first does not mean completely ignoring your own health.

nothing "macho" about demanding equal attention given to cancerous testicles or prostates. will see how "gentlemen" you are when you get hit with testicular cancer and can't walk with enlarged balls the side of a football and you need to chop them off to save your life.

joeyjojojunior says

Are you this dim? Do you really not see the point?

Can you not see the point? You can't point to a handful of wealthy white guys and say therefore they represent all whites, and therefore it's okay to use "White Male" as a blanket phrase for Executives. Just like Kareem Abdul-Jubar, Don King, and Kayne don't represent all Black guys.

joeyjojojunior says

So, white males have fared best by being hurt the least as a group.

No, don't agree. Those already wealthy got immensely wealthier. Some of those who were comfortable became wealthy. The other 80% is either the same or worse off, some substantially so. Whites numerically are about 2/3 of the population. There are many more poor whites than all blacks combined.

Imagine if any party hack of any political party said "We don't need more (INSERT ANY NON-WHITE, NON-MALE, NON-HETERO IDENTITY HERE) people leading the (WHATEVER) party."

Yet this is just a page 2 type story. Had it been Rince Preibus who said "We don't need more (Hispanic lesbian) people leading Republican Party", just imagine the outrage, it would dominate multiple news cycles and be hailed as evidence of the wickedness of Conservatives and Whites Generally.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/11/23/cnns_symone_sanders_we_dont_need_white_people_leading_the_democratic_party_right_now.html

Jojo - I hope all of these responses can have a positive impact on your thinking regarding identity politics. The left wing media have poisoned the minds of so many into promoting segregation and divisiveness while claiming to resolve the very problem they propagate. It's a business for them. It creates hate and allegiance to their political agenda to gain votes by subtly aligning "minorities" into the concept of being victims when in fact it's all an illusion. Don't be weak-minded and fall victim to this toxic Jedi mind trick.

I'd like to add that the right has their own mind tricks for the weak-minded, but that's not the topic at hand here.

just any guy says

divisiveness

The wages of diversity.