patrick.net

"That's it, huh?"

NO, that's not it. That's the start. I'd like to see everything which is why I think there should be an investigation and all results should be made public.

The question is--why do you not want to see an investigation? What are you hiding??

I'll repeat it again... A LEAK is NOT a HACK... Idiot Podesta was 100% at fault.
Why aren't you discussing the CONTENT of those emails and how the campaign undermined Sanders??

Do you think a phishing email is not a hack? Do you know what a phishing email is?

We should also mention here that the NSA hacked the entire German government right up into Merkel's Cell and PM Office Phone.
"Stop Hacking! But It's okay when we do it to our own allies."

I'm sorry--who is saying "Stop Hacking!" exactly?

Please don't try to change the subject again. What people are saying is--did Russia purposely alter the outcome of the US election? And let's investigate and find out.

joeyjojojunior says

NO, that's not it. That's the start. I'd like to see everything which is why I think there should be an investigation and all results should be made public.

There's nothing there.

It's all just assertion "Well, this had a timestamp that conforms with the workday in Vladivostok"

Or the workday in Shanghai or Beijing.

Imagine a Prosecutor goes to a judge : "We want a warrant for Joe Schmoe, because we see tweets involving criminal behavior during 9-5, and Joe Schmoe's workday is around 9-5"
Judge "That's it?"
Prosecutor: "Yep."
Judge "No physical evidence, no witness?"
Prosecutor: "Nope. Oh, we did see some multiple tweets with the same text, and we think Mr. Schmoe believes in redundancy"
Judge "Get the fuck out of here."

No, there's something there.. And there's a lot more that isn't public. Which is why we need an investigation to find out what else is there.

Why not find out? What's the harm in the investigation? If there's nothing there, like you claim, then Trump will come out of it looking smarter than ever. He should be welcoming it.

Hell--we had like 8 investigations into Benghazi. We can't find the time for one into a possible foreign state interference in our election?

I don't carry balances, but my total available credit has ballooned. It's like the roaring 90's again, I wonder if we will see a rise in strategic bankruptcies

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

, they've corrupted the state government to let them keep 20% of the sales tax. Deal?

Why are you against a sweetheart deal here, but all for Trump's Carrier sweetheart deal where the company gets to avoid paying the standard tax?

Ironman says

https://patrick.net/?p=1300116&c=1356510#comment-1356510

Also try this:

http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231711

Your proof is a broken link and a link to your own post. Excellent work.

Jojo sure is defending the WaPo with a fervor! Makes me wonder if his employer owns it.
Shills gotta stay loyal to the man who pays them!

"Jojo sure is defending the WaPo with a fervor! Makes me wonder if his employer owns it.
Shills gotta stay loyal to the man who pays them!"

Well done. When the facts aren't on your side, question the motive of the poster. Rule #1 of the conservative propaganda machine.

What if, the interests of Russia align with that of the American people?

I'm still trying to figure out the greater irony; that hypocritical USFEDGOV is crying foul over a foreign gov meddling in our election, after all our failed regime changes, or that Facts sunk the Clinton ship, so facts are bad, what with their liberal bias and all.

Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie

I'm no Clinton supporter either, but to be fair, the Comey nonsense wasn't really "facts".

Facts was in reference to the DNC rigging their election to deny Bernie the presidency

errc says

or that Facts sunk the Clinton ship, so facts are bad,

The point is not that facts are bad. The point is that selectively publishing all of the negative facts about one side and refusing to do so to the other side is unfair. Making a horse race shorter is not inherently unfair and bad for judging horses. But making it shorter for one horse and not the other is bad.

errc says

What if, the interests of Russia align with that of the American people?

I don't think that we should blindly just elect the person who Russia didn't want. But another country meddling in our election is bad regardless of the outcome. It should be easy to state that without worrying about what the implications are for this particular election.

YesYNot says

Why are you against a sweetheart deal here, but all for Trump's Carrier sweetheart deal where the company gets to avoid paying the standard tax?

Is Carrier allowed to keep sales taxes they collect?

You realize that Amazon dodged sales taxes for years, nationally, of course. It was fundamental to their business model.

Doesn't seem to be affecting the stock price at the moment:

General Motors Company (GM)
37.40 +0.31 (+0.82%)

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Is Carrier allowed to keep sales taxes they collect?

They are allowed to avoid paying 7 million in taxes. Do you really care if it is sales tax, income tax, or property tax? Either you are against such race to the bottom tax incentive deals, or you are not.

Yes, I realize that Amazon dodged sales taxes for years. Technically, individuals dodged those taxes, since they were supposed to report and pay them. But yeah, I get that Amazon benefited. The US gov made a point of being relaxed about taxing internet businesses in the beginning. They wanted to encourage the new industry. Once it was established and competitive, they started cracking down. Or maybe Amazon just had to have brick and mortar in each state to improve distribution as they grew, so they couldn't avoid it any longer.

Do you dislike mail order/internet businesses like Amazon? Personally, I like the convenience and do most of my shopping there (excluding groceries and big box / garden type stuff). Different strokes for different folks.

Debt = Wealth!!!

YesYNot says

The point is that selectively publishing all of the negative facts about one side and refusing to do so to the other side is unfair.

So you're saying that what the mainstream media did to Donald Trump for 15 months straight was unfair? Interesting point! I agree!

Quigley says

So you're saying that what the mainstream media did to Donald Trump for 15 months straight was unfair? Interesting point! I agree!

Yes. Broadcasting his empty podium instead of Hillary's speech and having more negative stories about her email than about his conflict of interests, tax returns, etc. was unfair. The MSM didn't think he could win, so they treated him like an entertainment story rather than a potential president to vet. He did a good job playing them.

That damned Obama forced R/C/T/N-Ns to take on debt & suck on the Big Govt. Socialist Teat.
How many here have a family member that benefits from any socialist program?

AllTruth says

Medical debt (not sure of number but positive debt and amount in delinquency at all-time record highs, too).

Any american that can't pay CASH for any medical care,regardless of cost, is a FAILURE & a DISGRACE to TRUE AMERICANS!

Hangers-on,Free Riders,Something for Nothings

LOL- if the lefties keep at this, Trump will win a 2nd term.

Yeah right, why would the Russians want trump to win. If Hilary won, they would have donated a billion to the foundation and got the rest of our uranium.

Another day another high.
Thank You Santa Trump.

Strategist says

Another day another high.

Establishment insider is not center left no matter how you spin it

Tim Aurora says

I, an immigrant is more worried about America’s position in the world vs all the “so called patriots” that I see on this board, who are more interested in their fake news and government conspiracies.

That's it in a nut shell you foriegn American hatting Sons of Bitches hate America. You hate everything we stand for, and want to make Patriotism a naughty word.
We don't give a crap what you bastards think anymore. America love it or get the fuck out. That goes for loving Old White Crackers we come with the sandwich Assholes!

You know what? Fuck off and Die or just wait until you get deported but this wont fly, and wont be tolerated any longer. This is OUR Country you sons of bitches. I learnt that in the third grade I used to sing it loud and proud with my hand over my heart and American teachers leading the chorus.

I wipe my ass on your flag.

What ever third world shit hole that might be.

Of course. Questioning the media or pollsters or the validity of an election is only OK if you are a Trump supporter! How dare those lefties try to take a page out of the Trump book!??!!

90% of Foreign invaders are molesters, because they were molested by their foriegn folks. Tim Aurora says

• Evangelists supported Trump, a known sex philanderer and offender ( not really but pretty close) . Now I do not care philandering ( unless forced) but I guess evangelist should

Tenpoundbass says

Establishment insider is not center left no matter how you spin it

I don't know if you might want to call this spin, but center and left are relative terms.

I would agree that both Obama and Hillary are/were virtually republican by 1970s standards. But in today's world they are left of the center.

Today's center is to the right of Reagan or Nixon. It is true, that Bernie is there, and some naively think he could be elected. But that's only becasue the right wing media doesn't even bother arguing against socialism anymore. In fact they like Bernie for his ability to split the democratic party. They knew all along that Hillary was who they were up against.

Those republican strategists are not dummies.

It is true, that Bernie is there, and some naively think he could be elected.

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Nothing naive about that. Bernie absolutely would have won the election, with even a half fair shake. He came close, and that was with both parties doing everything possible to deny him in the primary.

The naive are those who ever thought Hillary had a snowball chance in hell

errc says

Bernie absolutely would have won the election, with even a half fair shake.

Nah, not buying it. Joe Biden, on the other hand....

Tim Aurora says

• I, an immigrant is more worried about America’s position in the world vs all the “so called patriots” that I see on this board, who are more interested in their fake news and government conspiracies.

Which filthy third world country are you from?

Straw Man says

errc says

Bernie absolutely would have won the election, with even a half fair shake.

Nah, not buying it. Joe Biden, on the other hand....

Biden lol!

Bernie would have won in a landslide

Wait I found a chart that is really ugly

errc says

Straw Man says

errc says

Bernie absolutely would have won the election, with even a half fair shake.

Nah, not buying it. Joe Biden, on the other hand....

Biden lol!

Bernie would have won in a landslide

The country is not so far gone as to elect self-defined socialist. Biden would be considered a "safe" choice by lots of people on both left and right.

Tim Aurora says

Putin’s Communist government (extreme left)

His government is not Communist. Not even extreme left. The closest would be fascist (not a swear word, merely a definition in mainstream sense of the word).

YesYNot says

Yes. Broadcasting his empty podium instead of Hillary's speech and having more negative stories about her email than about his conflict of interests, tax returns, etc. was unfair. The MSM didn't think he could win, so they treated him like an entertainment story rather than a potential president to vet. He did a good job playing them.

What media were you watching? They printed or cast ten negative stories about Trump to one positive story about Hillary, and only occasionally mentioned her little email scandal in the nicest of ways that made clear she did nothing wrong! If it weren't for alternative news sites, we'd have never seen anything negative about her at all! Hell, a MSNBC reporter was nearly fired for suggesting that she wasn't taking Trump's threat seriously enough and needed to campaign harder!
Quit being completely dishonest. Nobody at all agrees with you that the media favored Trump. It's just the opposite of truth! A big fat LIE! Quit lying Toby.

joeyjojojunior says

Of course. Questioning the media or pollsters or the validity of an election is only OK if you are a Trump supporter! How dare those lefties try to take a page out of the Trump book!??!!

Did Hilalry sign off a big chunk of our uranium to Russian interests after getting a gazillion dollar to her foundation through Russian interests?

Ironman says

joeyjojojunior says

Do you think a phishing email is not a hack?

Nope, not when you VOLUNTARILY give your password to someone who asks for it... That's just being an idiot.

Idiot is a necessary component for any hack. Be it an idiot user who clicks on links in phishing e-mail and has one simple password for all his accounts, idiot administrator who doesn't patch his system in timely manner and/or doesn't enforce strict security policies, or idiot programmer writing code with more holes than Swiss cheese in it...

Phishing is a hacking technique. There is no point of attempting to redefine the term.

"Did Hilalry sign off a big chunk of our uranium to Russian interests after getting a gazillion dollar to her foundation through Russian interests?"

Let's see. Hillary, the secretaries of Treasury, Justice, Homeland Security, Commerce, Defense, and Energy all signed off on it. As well as the heads of the office of the US Trade Representative and Science and Technology Policy. But, I'm sure she paid them all off. Or maybe they were scared of her hitman. You know, the one that was going to be interviewed on Fox? Oh yeah, he never showed up.