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Proof?

YesYNot says

There's just as much if not more crap going on in the other side. It just wasn't reported.

Damn...that libby disease is bleeding over into the written word...

Tim Aurora says

It is not going to change the thruth.

Ironman says

.How did Hillary win the popular vote??

Lets baseline assume that the tactic was to drive a bigger wedge between the extreme left and Clinton.

Young voters are not hip to vote anyway and some would go to Stein.

65,844,594 Clinton is on the verge of beating Obama.. However, as always you have to adjust to population

62,979,616 Trump did receive more votes than any other republican

7,804,203 3rd party voters ( Jill Stein) Let assume she wasn't in the race at all, it would have given Clinton a more delegates but Clinton wouldn't have won.

We all the see the numbers in Black voter turn out in this election to the past.

To be honest with you....

It wasn't the Russian's as much as it is Clinton was a flawed candidate in the sense that she couldn't ever rally the left wing base and the young voters. Bernie, did more rep damage in the election than any Russian hack, because one thing was constant way before the Russians got involved

The extreme left never liked Clinton and thought of her as a war like Republican and deficit Hawk.

In time the extreme left even turned on Bernie, Warren and Robert Reich for supporting Clinton

This is the problem with snow flakes ... very sensitive in mindset....

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

it's. not about popular vote or else trump would have campaigned differently.

And so would have Clinton. What's your point?

Ranina ranina says

Proof?

The emails seemed like what I would expect to be going on in a campaign. People involved with campaigns confirmed this. The CIA or FBI (I forget which) says that the RNC was hacked too, but the emails were not released. There's no proof of what was in there, but there's proof that one side was selectively broken into and the dirty laundry loot was strategically released for the largest impact on the election. That much is very clear.

Ironman says

Exactly... They have NOTHING to do with the election...PERIOD.

Having nothing to do with installing malware on machines is not the same has having nothing to do with the election. Someone clearly hacked into private computers and used the loot to influence the election. Our intelligence agencies think it was Russia. Trump denies this and claims it could have been a 400 lb guy or Chinese. That's what we know for sure. This thread OP provides no light on that and doesn't offer anything to contradict what is being discussed by the adults in the media.

RealEstateIsBetterThanStocks says

it's. not about popular vote or else trump would have campaigned differently.

Read the damn thread! No mention of anything other than the popular vote.
There is no link to anything.
My comment was in response to "How did Hillary win the popular vote?"
Inquiring minds learned what the popular vote means today.
I will have to charge tuition if all my time is spent learnin' folk.

The funny thing is Obama coming out and saying he talked to Putin about the hacking and told him to cut it out-LOL- I mean WTF!!!!!!!!!!

@joeyjojojo - you may very well be right that the Russians hacked the DNC emails, but they didn't hack voting machines and change the result. Voters still had the freedom to vote for the result they wanted.

Analogy - I'm engaged to be married to a woman. My ex-girlfriend hacks my fiance's email and leaks to me and both of our families the ugly details of unprotected anal sex my fiance is secretly and willingly receiving from nasty, fat, homeless men on a regular basis. I now decide to pull out of the marriage because of those nasty details. My fiance and her whole family is now super pissed at me for pulling out of the marriage based on these details, and blames me for cancelling the wedding and ruining her life.

Why the hell does my fiance and/or her family have the right to be pissed at me, or think that the wedding shouldn't be called off given new facts emerged about the integrity of my fiance? Now, my fiance has every right to be pissed at my ex-girlfriend and can prosecute her for hacking into her email, but that's a totally different matter.

Why the hell does HRC or the democrats blame Trump or think the voters made the wrong decision based on ugly facts?

The Russians did it, Liberals world wide puts that Shit on everything!

Tim Aurora says

I, an immigrant is more worried about America’s position in the world vs all the “so called patriots”

I, an immigrant, am super stoked that the result of this election will foster the rise of patriotism in Western and Eastern European nations to return to a common place of acknowledgement of the many achievements the Caucasian cultures, traditions and religions have brought to the history of mankind, dominating technical and scientific progress for the betterment of mankind throughout recent history (the fastest expansion of tecnhological progress ever), as well as a rich culture of languages, words, poetry, genetic beauty and human rights, instead of shitting all over themselves with perpetual self-flagellating, weak leftoid guilt-trips. Sure we've had our dark ages, but make no mistake, without the Caucasian culture and all its achievements the world would be a shithole these days. Make America, Europe and Russia great again! #MAERGA #guiltless

SO he's going to follow OBama's lead is he ?

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/obama-deported-record-number-immigrants-trump-claim-article-1.2774180

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/29/politics/trump-obama-criminal-deportations/

Ironman says

What good are these animals. Kick them out.

YesYNot says

I don't like the race to the bottom. It's happening, because localities are desperate for business, so they give away too much to get a few jobs. Carrier was just more of the same deal. I expect it won't last though, as it was a political stunt, and the threat of losing unrelated business with the US gov was a driver. Once the political spotlight is gone, they will move the plant. But that's another story.

The solution is the tariff.

Neoliberals have no solution, so they're like "Suck it up".

PCGyver says

Everyone agrees the hack was Russian.

Quote unnamed anonymous sources claiming to have seen documents the reporter himself did not nor did anybody else.

Repeat this unverifiable "fact" endlessly across the Legacy Media.
"Everybody" Agrees.

Just like "Everybody" agreed Hillary would win, Saddam had WMDs ready-to-go and an active WMD programs, etc.

"I don't know anybody who voted for Nixon"

joeyjojojunior says

"Where's the evidence?"

Is that a joke? I posted it on this very thread earlier. Here, I'll post it again for you though since you obviously didn't read it

Not evidence. Crowd Strike, a company that heavily depends on intel agency and Pentagon contracts.

Claimed, continue to explore, Cozy bear and Fancy Bear are criminal/hacktivist/intelligence actors (which one if you are so damned familiar), the whole thing is chock full of caveats and PR brags.

And, as the contractor of the DNC, of course they will point the bone at whomever the DNC wants them too.

In reality it was probably a 400lb Cheetos Eating 23 year old /poltard in Grandma's Basement

"Not evidence. Crowd Strike, a company that heavily depends on intel agency and Pentagon contracts"

Yes, that's absolutely evidence. You can claim bias if you want, but you are sounding more and more like Gary as this campaign season has turned into election season has turned into an inauguration.

I mean, my lord--Patrick has a thread claiming yahoo is purposely altering their Nasdaq reporting for some ulterior motive. This is why Trump feeding into the nonsense is dangerous. You guys see conspiracy in EVERYTHING. Sometimes a rose is just a rose. When the CIA, FBI, all intelligence services, and members of Congress who have been briefed all agree--it's probably true.

It's all Obama's fault!! If it weren't for the great divider Obama, people wouldn't want to do these things.

Translation: "I'm a racist nitwit."Tenpoundbass says

Yeah let's play erase History no Qwanza.

zzyzzx says

It's all Obama's fault!! If it weren't for the great divider Obama, people wouldn't want to do these things.

Translation: "I'm a racist nitwit."

I bet the rate with anchor babies is twice as much at the very least and we are stuck with them.

"@joeyjojojunior, Everyone here agrees your evidence is not really evidence but actually just someone's opinion."

And by everyone, you mean the Trumpbots that also think Obama was born in Kenya, a Pizza restaurant was actually a front for a child sex ring, and that Yahoo purposely alters it's Nasdaq history?

Because I'm pretty sure the sane people on pat.net agree with me.

Like I told Thunder--when you find yourself agreeing with CIC and TPB over and over, it's time you reassessed your views...

Sorry!old,male,pale Republicans. You will not be sucking on the govt. teat any longer

He obviously doesn't know what oversample means or why it would be done anyway. It's no use trying to teach fools on here.

YesYNot says

Carrier is symbolic.

Yes. If you'll recall, Trump hasn't been sworn in and has no actual political power yet. All he's got are friends with power and the threat of the power he will have in a couple months. So yes, the deal is symbolic. He made it to show the doubters that he knows how to make things happen, to do deals that are good for people who voted for him. Is it a perfect deal? No. But contrasted to Obama's last job creating effort (expansion of H1B program by executive order last month), Trump looks like Santa Claus to Obama's fucking Grinch!

"Lordy, So what does this mean? Who is responsible for the DNC hack? Based on our comparative analysis we agree with CrowdStrike and believe that the COZY BEAR and FANCY BEAR APT groups were involved in successful intrusions at the DNC. The malware samples contain data and programing elements that are similar to malware that we have encountered in past incident response investigations and are linked to similar threat actors. Where is this evidence you talk of. All I see is that Fidelis believes that it was cozy and fancy bear. That's their opinion."

That is their opinion BASED ON THE EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE ALREADY POSTED ON HERE MULTIPLE TIMES. The fact that none of you can even acknowledge that I have posted the evidence on here is telling. The game plan is the same as Trump's usual MO. Keep telling a lie often enough and people tire of correcting you and lazy voters start believing it.

And it's the opinion of 17 US intelligence agencies, every private security corporation, and anyone with half a brain who has actually done any research into the event. Hell, even Trump has tacitly acknowledged it was Russia at this point. You guys are behind.

The funny thing is that in Kentucky and Tennessee there are substantially more Confederate Memorials than Union ones - though the population of both states (esp. Kentucky) served in the Union Army in larger numbers.

"@joeyjojo
All I know is the DNC disenfranchised me and that sucks. I could give a rats ass who hacked the information. Or phished Podesta for his email password. That you still do tells me you are a DNC operative. You'll need to look in the mirror and see how you lost the Legislative executive and soon the judicial branches of the government Not to mention me. You'll really screwed the pooch this cycle and all you want to do is blame everyone but yourselves."

I care about the truth and facts. And it pisses me off when idiots continue to purposely spread lies.

You and the other Trumpkins would earn a lot more respect if you would stop lying, spreading nonsense conspiracy theories, and trying to refute science.

joeyjojojunior says

Yes, that's absolutely evidence. You can claim bias if you want, but you are sounding more and more like Gary as this campaign season has turned into election season has turned into an inauguration.

Nothing in your Crowd Strike Private Contractor email has any evidence. "Oh, it has behavioral similarities to Russian Stuff."
Guess what? I bet it has behavioral similarities to Nigerian Criminals and German Hacktivist tactics as well.

Anybody remember the North Korean Hack of Sony that wasn't?

But so many sources in the government and private mil/intel contractors were so damn sure, spreading rumors left and right, repeated without skepticism by reporters.

"Nothing in your Crowd Strike Private Contractor email has any evidence. "Oh, it has behavioral similarities to Russian Stuff."
Guess what? I bet it has behavioral similarities to Nigerian Criminals and German Hacktivist tactics as well."

Again--continuing to deny even the most basic and obvious facts just makes you look like an idiot.

You'd be better off saying, their evidence is weak, or their evidence is all circumstantial. By saying there is no evidence, when there clearly IS evidence, you look like you're hiding something or flailing.

The crowdstrike report was from June, by the way, so it's not like it was written in response to Clinton losing.

Joey you're continuing in the pattern of some other shills who've trolled this board. Why don't you run a search on "Hydrocabron" and notice when he stopped posting.

By acknowledging Podesta's emails were "hacked," the Democrats were admitting they were authentic.

A security company in the U.S. has provided further evidence that last year's devastating hacking attack on Sony Pictures Entertainment was carried out by a group with ties to North Korea.

The FBI has already named North Korea as the source of the attack, but some security experts have been skeptical, in part because the FBI didn't disclose all the details of its investigation.

Security firm CrowdStrike is among those who believe North Korea was the culprit, and on Tuesday it presented another piece of evidence to support that claim.

CrowdStrike said it found similarities between the malware used against Sony and a piece of destructive code deployed in 2013 by a group it calls Silent Chollima, which has already been linked to several attacks on South Korea and the U.S.

Parts of the code used in each attack are almost identical in their structure and functionality, CrowdStrike CTO Dmitri Alperovitch said during a webcast Tuesday in which he described how the Sony attack was carried out. (A replay will be available here.)

What's more, he said, the malware used in both attacks contains the same typographical error in the same place, spelling "security" as "secruity."

B-B-But, MUH SIMILARITIES!!! BEHAVIORAL "EVIDENCE"!!!

What's more, he said, the malware used in both attacks contains the same typographical error in the same place, spelling "security" as "secruity."

CrowdStrike had already identified similarities between attacks by Silent Chollima and the one on Sony, including the use of destructive "wiper" malware and the way that code was deployed. But it hadn't described the similarities in the code itself.

why, it looks like it was written on a Cyrillic Keyboard, Amirite?

http://www.pcworld.idg.com.au/article/566634/what-typo-more-evidence-tying-north-korea-sony-hack/

It's pretty widely believed now it was disgrunted Sony Employees.

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2016/11/wikileaks-reveals-clinton-poll-oversampling-scheme/

This scheme of the Clinton campaign to propagandize the polling data just before Election Day, quite successful until it was exposed, is exactly what Donald Trump and his surrogates are talking about when they make the argument that “the system is rigged.”

This was something that they didn’t even try to hide. In publishing its methodology ABC News stated that it sampled 874 likely voters and that the poll had a margin of error or 3.5 points. They openly admitted that the, “Partisan divisions are 36-27-31 percent: Democrats – Republicans – Independents.” While Democrats may have a very slight voter registration advantage, it is nowhere near the 9 points used in this poll.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

though the population of both states (esp. Kentucky) served in the Union Army in larger numbers.

I would want the count in Maryland for comparison (I do not have this handy). IIRC roughly 1/3 joined the Confederate Army (mostly serving in the Army of Northern Virginia), and of the ones who joined the Union Army, a lot of them only did so with the promise that they not leave the state (meaning in forts around DC, and guarding rail road bridges and prisoner of war camps). I would not be surprised if in Maryland it was 1/3 fighting for the Confederate Army, 1/3 fighting for the Union Army, and 1/3 in the Union Army, but somewhere in Maryland doing no fighting unless attacked (which may have only happened in a major way at Monocacy)

Fun Fact:
At the Battle of Front Royal on May 23, 1862 the Union Army's 1st Maryland infantry fought the Confederate Army's 1st Maryland infantry.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Front_Royal
After the battle, the victorious First Maryland CSA took charge of prisoners from the beaten Union First Maryland regiment.

jazz music says

Obviously because it's not like Obama said or did something related to dividing

Have you been deaf and blind for the last 8 years?

After 8 years Michelle Obama still feels Obama's greatest contribution is "giving us hope." Hope without results is the cruelest lie of all.

I've come to see the affection Southerners hold for Confederate paraphernalia as a testament to States rights and the ability of common Americans to object to Federal overbearance. While most remember the Civil War as "the war to free the slaves," a closer look at history reveals it to be about the tyranny of the majority Northern populous states over the less populated South. In the North, they were ushering in wave after wave of immigrants, registering them to vote, and using the population bully power to override anything the Southern states wanted to do.

So I don't see a monument to this uniquely American struggle as "racist." I see it as a big fat "Don't tread on me" warning to an increasingly intrusive Federal government. Bush and Obama have definitely gone in the direction of Federal overreach, and I see this sort of monument as a reaction to that.

jazz music says

Why, oh why, does this continue to be an issue? John Savage, author of the Politico piece, puts forth one theory:

You need to take these things for what they (generally speaking) have become these days, which is tourist traps. I was in PA over the summer and did a tourist train ride from New Freedom to Hanover Junction PA. I was only there for the train ride itself, which was nice. It had a stop in the middle at a Civil War site in PA. I didn't even know that this place existed, but it was a half an hour stop at a rail road junction in York County (Hanover Junction) complete with all the usual stuff one sees at all the other Civil War sites, in this case it was a skirmish between Confederate Cavalry and the Union militia guarding the rail road junction with it's telegraph. It was something to do while the rail road did what it needed to do to turn the train around, and sell sno-cones and use the rest rooms. Interesting, but not of any real military significance.

They call it "ChawHenge".

The Rednecks go there to celebrate the solstice and to spit.

George Carlin:
"You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club."