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I've come to see the affection Southerners hold for Confederate paraphernalia as a testament to States rights and the ability of common Americans to object to Federal overbearance. While most remember the Civil War as "the war to free the slaves," a closer look at history reveals it to be about the tyranny of the majority Northern populous states over the less populated South. In the North, they were ushering in wave after wave of immigrants, registering them to vote, and using the population bully power to override anything the Southern states wanted to do.

So I don't see a monument to this uniquely American struggle as "racist." I see it as a big fat "Don't tread on me" warning to an increasingly intrusive Federal government. Bush and Obama have definitely gone in the direction of Federal overreach, and I see this sort of monument as a reaction to that.

jazz music says

Why, oh why, does this continue to be an issue? John Savage, author of the Politico piece, puts forth one theory:

You need to take these things for what they (generally speaking) have become these days, which is tourist traps. I was in PA over the summer and did a tourist train ride from New Freedom to Hanover Junction PA. I was only there for the train ride itself, which was nice. It had a stop in the middle at a Civil War site in PA. I didn't even know that this place existed, but it was a half an hour stop at a rail road junction in York County (Hanover Junction) complete with all the usual stuff one sees at all the other Civil War sites, in this case it was a skirmish between Confederate Cavalry and the Union militia guarding the rail road junction with it's telegraph. It was something to do while the rail road did what it needed to do to turn the train around, and sell sno-cones and use the rest rooms. Interesting, but not of any real military significance.

They call it "ChawHenge".

The Rednecks go there to celebrate the solstice and to spit.

George Carlin:
"You know what they want? They want obedient workers. Obedient workers, people who are just smart enough to run the machines and do the paperwork. And just dumb enough to passively accept all these increasingly shitty jobs with the lower pay, the longer hours, the reduced benefits, the end of overtime and vanishing pension that disappears the minute you go to collect it, and now they’re coming for your Social Security money. They want your retirement money. They want it back so they can give it to their criminal friends on Wall Street, and you know something? They’ll get it. They’ll get it all from you sooner or later cause they own this fucking place! It's a big club, and you ain’t in it! You, and I, are not in the big club."

No more blue, withered, diapered asses in nursing homes and blue hair. Just good fertilizer.

Plastic surgeons and manufacturers of Hoverounds just aren't a big enough voting bloc to worry about.

I never realized illegal immigrants had such nice tits.

APO,
Sorry you won't be able to afford belt-fed ammo in your old age!
How much have you paid in & will never see any of it,if you are a younger man?
Same question to Rep/Con/Tea/Neo-Nazis.

PCGyver says

I bet most of them are in Texas

Well of course,Texass & their bush pres. can't protect Lone Star citizens.
FAILURE is in the Republican DNA.

We must stop all immigration! Some Scottish SLUT comes here and has an anchor baby.
Bitch married a NAZI.

Cowardice runs in the family.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/22/politics/trump-grandfather-germany-friedrich/

rpanic01 says

I bet the rate with anchor babies is twice as much at the very least and we are stuck with them.

Tim Aurora says

mell says

America, Europe and Russia great again!

So you a a "white supremacist".

It's difficult to measure whether some races are superior to others (there are many different metrics), and when it has been attempted, results were immediately embargoed (for example wrt intelligence only, some studies found whites smarter than blacks, asians smarter than whites and vice versa, and Jews smarter than everybody, with the Ashkenazi Jewish on top). So I'm somewhat agnostic towards that question,. When it comes to history and technological, scientific and human rights progress, the score card is pretty clear. We would not be close to where we are today without the contributions of Caucasians. They have all the right to be proud of their culture and history.

Tim Aurora says

So do the Chinese Hans, the Japanese, the Indians and even the Arabs. Most of the Caucasian advancements have come in the Renaissance period. Before that there was a real dark period for Caucasians where Islam was prominent. In fact till 1700's China and India had more than 50% of the world GDP

https://infogr.am/Share-of-world-GDP-throughout-history

Are you ready for those economics to regain their former glory

Sure most Caucasian contributions are more recent, but the rate of progress accelerated dramatically recently as well. And they are the leaders in human rights. Nowhere else in the world is a foreigner/immigrant treated better than in Europe or the US. Even Russia has been the 2nd largest immigration haven, so can't be that bad. Why would one want this golden era to end by putting down those who created it?

Bt what it means to me is more important that what it means to you because I can play the victim card.

jazz music says

Another ironic question by you since I already commented for you a list of 400 things Obama accomplished on behalf of the electorate.

https://patrick.net/?p=1299992&c=1355288#comment-1355288

Thanks for the reminder to post a lengthy list of Obama's failures.

mell says

Why would one want this golden era to end by putting down those who created it?

White People are great. And here's a fact: Jews were NOT particularly noted for their intelligence until the Renaissance Era. In fact in the Roman and Seleucid era they were thought to be mostly dumb, rural, religious fanatic hicks.

I don't celebrate Hannukah because I won't celebrate Jewish Macabee Hicks who violently rejected Greek Culture. I prefer the ones who sent their kids to the Selucid's Gymnasium to learn Philosophy.

What's funny is that Israel is all based on Western Culture. If you took out all the Jews and replaced them with generic Christian Europeans or Europeanized Indians or Chinese, everyday life would function basically the same aside from some items on the menu and swapping a day off.

My Brother was defending her at a family dinner in a restarunt last night. I said that Bitch is so Stupid she lost a Rigged election.
The whole place applauded. His Cuban wife agreed, my brother sulked.

jazz music says

like NYT compares in any way to BS blogs

Wiki is not a blog. I can understand moving the goalposts when you are drowning in faulty logic your poor argument, but you still lost the game.

Yes, of course, anyone who shares the truth that 17 intelligence agencies in the US, all private security companies, Congress, POTUS all agree it was Russia who hacked the DNC, the RNC, Clinton, some Congressional candidates, et. al must be a DNC stooge.

Hell, even Trump pretty much admits it was Russian at this point. You guys are off on an island of your own now.

jazz music says

NYT has in many occasions published corrected stories when error was reported.

In tiny print on the bottom of the last page of the news section, when the original faulty article ran on the front page with big headlines.

The WaPo would have to run a special edition to cover all the fake news they've published this year. Propornot was pathetic, and the wishy-washy editor's note at the bottom of the article claiming they don't stand for the veracity of an article that praises the unnamed individuals within the apparently weeks-old organization as "Experts", highly qualified, patriots, etc. If they didn't stand for it's veracity, why did they let the original article include Timberg's flowery qualifiers?

Tenpoundbass says

My Brother was defending her at a family dinner in a restarunt last night. I said that Bitch is so Stupid she lost a Rigged election.

The whole place applauded. His Cuban wife agreed, my brother sulked.

Wish you filmed that moment.

Snowflake Tears!

www.youtube.com/embed/d_KMyppREKQ

The OP video was uploaded two weeks before the election, October 26, 2016.

Sore Loser!!! hahahahaha

I would rather shout SIEG! ORANGE!

PCGyver says

Wait let me get this straight, you're saying that CrowdStrike looked at the Sony hacking evidence and came up with what is now believed to be the wrong OPINION that the hack was North Korea.

Yup. Many of the private contractors largely run by ex-Intel people dependent on Government Funding like Crowd Stike immediately jumped on the "North Korea done did it" bandwagon. IT experts outside of the MIC field with non-gov clients exercising professional responsibility said it could have been anybody, and pointed at disgruntled ex-employee(s) rather than NK as the most likely source, because the focus on the leaks was discrediting top-level Sony bosses.

Anybody remember when James Clapper lied to Senator Wyden's face that the NSA wasn't spying on everybody's emails?

Gee, I wonder who tried to get the "Snowden is a Sino-Russian Stooge" meme going with "anonymous intel officials say" BS out to the WaPo and NYT?

PS Not the only time Clapper lied Publicly about the NSA taking everybody's emails.

The reason Obama got away with not doing anything substantial about it is because of Press Bias.

PCGyver says

If you really were interested in the truth you would be more concerned about the truth in the emails than the truth to who got them

Really? You are not concerned that a foreign State illegally obtained and disseminated private correspondence for the express purpose of altering a US Presidential election?:

I imagine the shoe would be on the other foot if Germany had released private Trump emails detailing his ties to the Russian mob.

PCGyver says

@jokeyjojo

Can you please share the truth about how Iraq has WMD's?

I think George W. put it best.

"Fool me once shame on me, oh wait a minute how does it go?"

Great--so I assume you are all for getting rid of all US intelligence services. They fooled you once, after all.

joeyjojojunior says

Really? You are not concerned that a foreign State illegally obtained and disseminated private correspondence for the express purpose of altering a US Presidential election?:

Private correspondence = Not Government Correspondence

The real question is why Hillary had ANY classified info on her private, unauthorized server.

Had Billy Bob, GS-5 at State, had ANY classified info on a private, unauthorized server "for his convenience", he'd be well into his prison term.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Private correspondence = Not Government Correspondence

And illegal = not legal. What's your point?

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

The real question is why Hillary had ANY classified info on her private, unauthorized server.

Who is talking about anything classified?? We're talking about her private strategy emails. Those are the ones that Russia released.

And the other questions is why didn't they release the RNC emails that they also hacked?? Any ideas?

joeyjojojunior says

Who is talking about anything classified?? We're talking about her private strategy emails. Those are the ones that Russia released.

Who wrote them? Also, where is your evidence* about the hacking?

John Podesta clicked a phishing email like a dumbass. Anybody stupider than a reasonably well-versed lay computer user shouldn't have high office in any Administration.

I'm glad we know that Hillary's speeches to Goldman Sachs, Itau, and other big money banks that gave her huge amounts of cash, was the asskissing everybody suspected. I say give Wikileaks or the FSB or the German Green Politicians the Pulitzer.

Isn't nice to know that two liars who conspired to rig the Democratic Primary against Bernie while saynig they were unbiased were discovered and punished?

I'm also happy to know the role Michael Froman of Citigroup played in picking Obama's cabinet.

* Evidence != anonymous intel officials or MIC Partner Companies "behavioral analysis".

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Who wrote them?

Uh, lots of different people.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Also, where is your evidence* about the hacking?

lol--you're hilarious.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

I'm glad we know that Hillary's speeches to Goldman Sachs was the asskissing everybody suspected

Is that one of the classified ones?

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Isn't nice to know that two liars who conspired to rig the Democratic Primary against Bernie while saynig they were unbiased were discovered and punished?

That must be one of the classified ones, right?

joeyjojojunior says

lol--you're hilarious.

Keep dodging! Ain't got nothin' !

joeyjojojunior says

Is that one of the classified ones?

It was one of the ones she said she'd "Think about" releasing. I'm glad somebody took her ultimate decision (ie "Never! You Peons!") out of her hands.

joeyjojojunior says

That must be one of the classified ones, right?

Who cares? The classified ones should land her in prison. Like the Navy enlistedman, one year for each one, with the kindness of the Judge having the sentences run concurrently. Otherwise we don't have the rule of law, but the rule of wealthy and connected powerful individuals getting away scot free.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/01/30/us/politics/22-clinton-emails-deemed-too-classified-to-be-made-public.html?_r=0
22 years, one count for each. But I'm a nice guy, let's have them run concurrently as her health isn't that great.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Keep dodging! Ain't got nothin' !

Nope, you and I both know I got something. You are just covering your ears and yelling LA-LA-LA--LA, hoping that if you don't hear it, it isn't true.

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Who cares? The classified ones should land her in prison. Like the Navy enlistedman, one year for each one, with the kindness of the Judge having the sentences run concurrently. Otherwise we don't have the rule of law, but the rule of wealthy and connected powerful individuals getting away scot free.

Colin Powell too?

PCGyver says

She lost me when she said this.

That's fine. I'm not saying you should have voted for her. Vote for whoever you want. Just don't come on here lying and trying to deny facts.

Tim Aurora says

No website is 100% correct and all have flaws.

False dichotomy. Wikipedia articles have been controlled for over a decade by various well-funded government and private organizations as I have detailed above. There's a big difference between intentional, systematic deception and human error. If you cannot detect that you are being fooled, then you are simply even more foolish.

Intent matters.

Yah I think we should all be more concerned abou the enemies within our government than the possible threat of a foreign country hacking those enemies' emails and giving them to be published.

If you can't see that, you're either stupid or a paid DNC shill. So, jojo wanna clarify which you are?

Goddamn it, who in LA County hired John Podesta?

Anybody remember Hillary pre-2015 bragging about what an expert she was in counter-intelligence?

"Oh, we had to meet under tarps because of telescoping Chinese cameras."

PCGyver says

7 Reasons Security Firms Believe the Russian State Hacked the DNC.

"Well, your honor, he worked 9-to-5, just like we believe the serial killer does. Also, he has hands capable of holding the Glock used. What are the odds of somebody who works 9-to-5 having hands the right size to hold a Glock 9mm?"

"This article is 7 reasons why we can't cancel the F-35, written by aerospace defense experts! Are you saying Pratt & Whitney, Lockheed Martin, etc. don't know what they're talking about? This is Evidence, goddammit!"

PCGyver says

Actually I'm more concerned about the DNC altering a US Presidental election of which there is undisputed actual factual true evidence of.

Let me help you out then. The DNC clearly didn't alter a US Presidential election--if they did, I assume their candidate (Hillary Clinton) would have won. What I assume you are referencing, is the US Democratic Primary where the DNC decides who to nominate to run for President in their party. The DNC is under no obligation to allow the people to choose their candidate and have, in fact, a mechanism (superdelegates) already in place to allow them to negate the will of the people if they so choose. So, the DNC choosing to aid a candidate, while incredibly stupid and damaging to the party, is not really against the rules. It's just really stupid.

Quigley says

Yah I think we should all be more concerned abou the enemies within our government than the possible threat of a foreign country hacking those enemies' emails and giving them to be published.

What the hell are you even talking about? What enemies? Have you been reading infowars again?

Only TWO (2) DNC chairs stepped down within weeks of each other over the Bernie-Sabotage Revelations.

Goddamn Russians, it's none of the US Public's business that the Democratic Front-Runner was sabotaged by his own party, and that they discussed atheist-baiting him while their operatives got debate questions in advance from CNN officials and only gave them to Hillary! Or that a Citigroup Executive helped pick Obama's Cabinet. Or the content of Hillary's asskissing speeches to Big Banks.

America needs to stop having it's mind polluted by leaks, and let the media interpret the news for them!

The DNC altered the election by pre-arming their candidate with debate questions,

Thunderlips is Tovbot2 says

Goddamn Russians, it's none of the US Public's business that the Democratic Front-Runner was sabotaged by his own party

Thunder--you're getting more loony by the minute. The Democratic front runner? When was Bernie EVER considered the "front runner"

joeyjojojunior says

What the hell are you even talking about? What enemies? Have you been reading infowars again?

2016: The Democrats are Infowars.