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Hell, he should get the National Medal of Honor for his service in protecting our Constitutional rights from government that was getting out of control.

I can't believe i am the only Patnetter who thinks Snowden is a traitor, and should be shot.
Sick sick sick.

Traitor? For exposing blatant violations of the Constitution?

How do you figure?

rando says

Traitor? For exposing blatant violations of the Constitution?

How do you figure?

He exposed secrets to the world, including the Jihadists on our operations. That undermined our safety.
Obama is not the type of guy to blatantly violate the Constitution. He has his bad points, but he is very intelligent, and a constitutional scholar.

I don't see how he compromised our safety. As if the jihadists did not expect that we'd be spying on their phone calls.

And it sure does seem like a blatant violation of unreasonable search to scan absolutely everyone's phone records without their permission.

Even if Strategist can point to a single, credible, provable incident as to how Snowden jeopardized an American Life (he can't, but let us assume so for hypothetical purposes):

"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

The constitution and the INHERENT RIGHTS IT ACKNOWLEDGES (it acknowledges inalienable rights'not granted like some driver's license by the government, or fishing or hunting permit, but inherent and attached to persons at birth as ascribed by the Signers of the Constitution/Bill of Rights - and Declaration of Independence, as well) is not some either/or proposition, nor bargaining chip between U.S. Citizens and the state. It's not a fluid negotiation.

Snowden revealed GROSS VIOLATIONS OF FUNDAMENTAL, CONCRETE CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS (research Project Prism).

He's a hero.

Strategist's position is that of the tyrannical, unlimited state, which wishes to ignore the constitution.

rando says

I don't see how he compromised our safety. As if the jihadists did not expect that we'd be spying on their phone calls.

And it sure does seem like a blatant violation of unreasonable search to scan absolutely everyone's phone records without their permission.

freespeechforever says

Even if Strategist can point to a single, credible, provable incident as to how Snowden jeopardized an American Life (he can't, but let us assume so for hypothetical purposes):

OK, let me get back to you two with some facts on why he is is traitor. I will prove you wrong. Tomorrow AM.
Right now i am enjoying my one week of being a bachelor. I will join her on our trip this Sunday.

I agree with P and FSF, although I respect Strat's concerns. At the end of the day, either we maintain our rights fairly (maybe not perfectly, but fairly) absolutely, or we gradually lose them through bit-by-bit surrender. One need only study the suspension of habeus corpus during the Civil War, or the Palmer war on Civil Liberties during the "Red Raids" to see how this works. The government can and always will come up with justifications couched in constitutional infringements to expand its power and the delimit the rights of the People.

For they're shippin' Bolshe Viki, you can hear the engines purr,
They are weighin' of the anchor, an' the decks are all astir,
They've pinned a number on him an' they've branded him a cur,
An' they're shippin' Bolshe Viki in the mornin'!

http://www.crf-usa.org/america-responds-to-terrorism/the-palmer-red-raids.html

I think, if nothing else in his overwrought and underperforming presidency will suffice, Obama's actions these past two months label him forever as a petulant child lashing out at his own dismal record by attempting to spike the wheels of government for his successor. He is a petty wanna-be tyrant who never saw a Constitutional right he didn't want to repeal.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-17/julian-assange-responds-amid-growing-extradition-speculation

Five days ago, Wikileaks' Founder Julian Assange agreed to US extradition if Chelsea Manning was granted clemency by President Obama...

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This evening we got confirmation that Obama has indeed granted Manning clemency.

By way of background, we noted previously, Assange has been living in the Ecuadoran embassy in London since June 2012 to avoid extradition to Sweden to face sexual assault allegations. The Australian former computer hacker said he fears Stockholm will in turn extradite him to the US, where he angered Washington over WikiLeaks' publication of thousands of US military and diplomatic documents leaked by former US soldier Manning. The full details of which can be found here...

freespeechforever says

Obama Would Pardon Snowden If Obama Was Truly Moral

Obama has been a dismal failure in terms of human rights. He makes Nixon look like Gandhi.

rando says

Hell, he should get the National Medal of Honor for his service in protecting our Constitutional rights from government that was getting out of control.

I've said many times he should get the Medal of Freedom. His actions are exactly what that award is meant to honor.

Strategist says

He exposed secrets to the world, including the Jihadists on our operations. That undermined our safety.

Name one secret, one fucking secret, exposed by Snowden that compromises our safety.

Every take notice that only the despicable attack Snowden and his actions.

As for treason, that's what the entire American South did during the Civil War. That's what republicans did when they exposed the CIA agent Valerie Plame who was stopping terrorists from getting nuclear weapons. The right are a bunch of hypocritical assholes.

Strategist says

OK, let me get back to you two with some facts on why he is is traitor. I will prove you wrong. Tomorrow AM.

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/let-me-show-why-edward-snowden-traitor-not-patriot/
Let Me Show You Why Edward Snowden is a Traitor and Not a Patriot

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/US/2016/09/15/House-report-slams-Snowden-as-disgruntled-traitor-who-harmed-citizens-national-security/9681473979280/
House report slams Snowden as 'disgruntled traitor' who harmed citizens, national security

I can't believe nobody has said this already: All Snowden has to do is chop off his genitals and start calling himself Edna. Then he too would get a pardon.
Same goes for Assange. Only 2 days left to do it before Trump takes over!

Edna Snowden
Julia Assange

Strategist says

http://www.forwardprogressives.com/let-me-show-why-edward-snowden-traitor-not-patriot/

This article is nonsense written by a moron.

From the article

Except that’s not all he stole, nor is it all that he’s leaked.

1. Edward Snowden stole nothing. He copied text revealing criminal activity along with mundane items and he let the press sort out what the public needed to know rather than making that decision unilaterally himself. The government lost no property and therefore nothing was stolen. To call it theft is a bold-face lie.

2. Giving all the material to the press was the right thing to do. Transparency in government means that the press must have access to all information in order to determine what is criminal wrongdoing and what isn't. Attackers of Snowden have no problem with government agencies like the FBI and the CIA having access to all information including the nudie pictures on your phone in order to determine if those .jpg files are just dick picts and pussy shots or are nuclear weapon plans or terrorist attack planes. Well honey, the same goes for the press needing access to all the files to determine if something is a legitimate national secret or a criminal coverup of widespread illegal activity. Consider the press to be the FBI and CIA responsible to investigating the government.

3. Extracting all the data was the only practical thing to do. Snowden couldn't shift through gigabytes of text, reading it all to decide what snippets should be copied and what should not.

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4. Those who committed crimes against the American people by illegal spying are the ones who are traitors. They literally betrayed the American public, the Constitution, and every principle we claim to cherish. They undermined our republic by turning it into a police state very similar to Nazi Germany where the national police have no accountability and can arbitrarily seize possessions and people, who often get no trial or even charges pressed but are imprisoned without the right to trial. That's motherfucking treason. That's domestic terrorism. It is literally inflicting terror onto the American public who now have no idea when the Gestapo will come for their families. And the American Gestapo has imprisoned, tortured, and killed innocent people because, well somebody with a petty grudge said they were terrorists so better safe than sorry.

First things first: free all the drug dealers. After all, customer support is most important.

I am not sure if he is a traitor or a national hero for exposing something we all knew. But he has told Russia how to manipulate our voting system for the presidency.

Edward Snowden has far more of a case than Manning. Snowden revealed mass surveillance well beyond that authorized by the Patriot Act, to the extent the 4th Amendment no longer exists in some circles.

Snowden literally defended the Constitution.

Obama just expanded who can receive this information "If intel agencies happen to undercover criminal information" in the course of their analysis.

Not even 1% of Section 213 (or is it 215?) Patriot Act authorized warrantless searches are for terrorism.

T L Lipsovich says

Snowden literally defended the Constitution.

And defending the Constitution is defending America. Snowden is far more of a hero than Chris Kyle ever could be.