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Ironman says

then go run and hide behind ignore too.

When people put you on ignore, it means they don't find value in your posts, and that they think that pat.net would be better without you. It doesn't mean they are a pussy.

One comment about men paying for child care:. Social security is a Ponzi scheme. Each individual doesn't contribute enough to support their own payments. Parents pay a shitload to raise children, and that pays for the rest of social security. Without children, the country would be forced to either pay more in SS payments or have more immigrants, which is essentially getting other societies to pay to raise our children assuming they immigrate at a young adventurous age.
If men can opt out of child care payments, single men probably need to opt in to higher SS payments.

YesYNot says

Ironman says

has to read my comments in a different browser that's not signed in. Then to respond, he has to do a cut and paste.

You've done that to me countless times.

Really? People do such things? LOL

YesYNot says

When people put you on ignore, it means they don't find value in your posts, and that they think that pat.net would be better without you.

Sure. But then why would they go around signing in, read the comments of the ignored person and respond to them? Seems like ignore is serving some other purpose than ignoring.

Ironman says

Interesting how the fat gay nerd from Boca Raton has had FOUR opportunities to meet me in person, and in each time, he hid like a little child.

Correction. You begged four times to meet me, but refused to do so. You "invited" me to your house but refuse to give the address. You refused to meet at local restaurants several times. You are the cowardly pussy.

But hey, prove me wrong. Post your real address right now, not the fake one you keep posting, and we'll arrange a real get together. But you're going to have to give up anonymity, you pussy.

Ironman says

Ironman says

Single guy that has a much better life then me and I'm obsessively jealous of says

"when was the last time you had sex with a new woman?"

If I've been married for decades, is there really some delusional point to that question?

Exactly. You haven't bedded a woman in over 40 years. Yet you question what young single men say about the mating market today. That's like a priest giving sex advice. As you are so fond of say, "you can't make this shit up".

Pick up a woman, then you can talk. Until then, you're just a fat, ugly dork married to a disgusting fat pig that you clearly are miserable with.

#rechargeableBatteriesDumbass

Dan8267 says

Until then, you're just a fat, ugly dork married to a disgusting fat pig that you clearly are miserable with.

Oh, and in case there is any doubt that piggy's wife is a fat, disgusting pig, there is no way piggy would post a real picture of her today. Just like he won't post a real picture of himself. However, we can extrapolate what they look like.

Ironman says

You missed the whole point,

No. I didn't miss the point. When I had you on ignore, you constantly trolled me with 2 or 3 alt accounts and also copying and pasting posts. I've see you do that to Dan as well. The only reason I saw your troll posts is that I'd occasionally visit without logging in, because Dan had me on ignore and I like reading his posts. The difference between you and me is that I didn't constantly troll Dan after he ignored me. I took the hint and let it be.

rando says

I do see that an abortion is a burden for the woman, so to make things fair-ish, it seems that the man should pay for the abortion.

Here are the four possible cases:

1. He wants it, she wants it. No problem, he accepts the responsibility.

2. He doesn't want it, she doesn't want it. No problem, kid will not exist.

3. He wants it, she doesn't want it. He's fucked.

4. He doesn't want it, she does want it. He's fucked.

So in 2 out of four cases, her choice is fulfilled, and he is fucked.

So it sounds like the biggest issue to you is her right to choose an abortion. With Trump as president and if Ginsberg retires or passes away, that right to an abortion could go away. If that's what happens, then your possible cases become:
1) they both want it, they both have responsibility
2) he doesn't want it, she doesn't want it. She's forced to birth the baby, but afterwards, they put it up for adoption or abandon it at the firehouse.
3) he does want it, she doesn't want it. She pays child support.
4) he doesn't want it, she does want it. He pays child support.

Other than the aspect of removing a woman's right to an abortion, everyone has equal rights in this situation. What do you think Patrick? Would removing her right to have an abortion be enough for the MJWs?

I would like to congratulate Patrick for creating an internet forum that has apparently become such a big part of the lives of some people.

Ironman says

How would you describe Dan's actions/responses that he does while having me on ignore?

I'd say it's tit for tat, but I don't pay much attention to your feud. If he has you on ignore and you leave him alone, I'd guess he would leave you alone. He might take a swipe or two given your history, but I'm guessing that's it.

Ironman says

And YOU'RE lecturing ME about trolling?

One person put me on ignore once. I've only started one alt account, and that was to create a parody of a red piller. I've never created alt accounts pussyXXX to troll people. I'd say it's pretty safe for me to call you a troll. I'd never be so presumptuous to lecture you on trolling though. You have plenty of personal experience with it, and are probably the board's resident expert. Apologies to Hey You for the dis.

Dan8267 says

Yet you question what young single men say about the mating market today. That's like a priest giving sex advice.

Had almost forgotten that classic metaphor. Keep up the good work Dan.

Piggy's upset because he tried trolling this thread and got trolled instead. Now he has to drink a bottle of gain alcohol so he can crawl back into bed with his fat pig wife, search for his micro-dick, and pretend he's having sex with a man, which is what he really wants but can't admit to himself. Oh, all the wasted years hiding behind a beard when he could have enjoyed life. Now it's too late and all the single men are a constant reminder of all the things he never had and never will.

Bill Maher perfectly sums up this thread.

www.youtube.com/embed/cPk72ccNRb0

www.youtube.com/embed/2EfLbDFlrQg

You are so ridiculous. You go all Jerry Springer (referenced in your cited article) about men sleeping around, not knowing they have kids, and then it's still the woman's fault that he wasn't there for the child's birth, just so he could abandon the kid at a fire station...

ch_tah2 says

People should pay child support.

No one is saying that a man should not pay child support if he chooses to have a child with a woman and then they break up for whatever reason. However, choosing to have recreational sex is not choosing to become a parent. It's the forcing of your will onto another person that is evil.

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

Dan8267 says

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

No.

Dan8267 says

Men do not deserve to be inflicted with indentured servitude for two decades simply because they dare to have recreational sex. To argue that is utterly hypocritical in a society that allows women to have abortions. Forcing men to become fathers against their will is every bit as evil as forcing women to become mothers against their will and for the exact same reasons.

I laid out a situation where everything is perfectly equal, are you in favor of it or is it still not enough?

Dan8267 says

I can only conclude that ch_tah2 is so bitterly jealous of men who have sex that he feels the need to punish them severely for it. Does this sound familiar?

Conclude all you want. I view the MJWs on this board as either pathetic losers who live in their parents' basement or fat slobs who have to pay for sex, so we can conclude however we choose.

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

No.

Then it is utter hypocrisy to force men to become indentured servants for two decades simply because they deserve it. If it's not consent to raise a child when a woman has recreational sex, then it's not when a man does, and for the exact same reasons.

Dan8267 says

ch_tah2 says

Dan8267 says

Are you in favor of taking away a woman's right to have an abortion?

No.

Then it is utter hypocrisy to force men to become indentured servants for two decades simply because they deserve it. If it's not consent to raise a child when a woman has recreational sex, then it's not when a man does, and for the exact same reasons.

We've gone over this before. Yawn.

ch_tah2 says

We've gone over this before. Yawn.

And you still have not addressed the issue. You merely assert "fuck men, they got laid, they deserve to be punished". This is not a compelling argument.

ch_tah2 says

Because I don't fight for the toothless losers who sleep with women who hate them and then bitch about having to pay for their child...

Unless your a rapist, chances are the woman you sleep with likes you. That's kind of why they sleep with some men and not others.

And if men are "toothless" for not wanting to go through with a pregnancy and raising a child they do not want, then so are women, and for the exact same reason.

Are you saying that any woman who gets an abortion is a toothless, despicable, dead beat? If not, then once again, you are being hypocritical.

It all comes down to this. Both men and women have the right to say no, an no means no!

ch_tah2 says

I meant toothless in the literal sense...as in having no teeth.

No you didn't. Now answer the question.

Are you saying that any woman who gets an abortion is a toothless, despicable, dead beat? If not, then once again, you are being hypocritical.

ch_tah2 says

The term "deadbeat dad" isn't around for nothing.

The only deadbeat dad is the dad who agrees to have a child with a woman and then reneges after the child is born. Men who don't want a child, are honest about it, and then have no say as the woman chooses to go through with the pregnancy anyway aren't deadbeats for leaving. They are escaped slaves. You aren't entitled to someone else's life.

ch_tah2 says

Man, I can't believe Dan seems to be less batshit crazy than you

Disagreeing with your opinions is not insanity. Not having consistent, non-contradicting reasons for believing something is.

There is nothing I have ever written that in any way constitutes any form of craziness. Every fact I've presented has either been true, or in rare cases, immediately refuted once I learned it was inaccurate. I may not be perfect, but I'm damn close because I play devil's advocate with every idea I have. I've attacked my ideas far better than you ever could, and I do that before I present them to anyone. This is why I can hold my ground. If I cannot justify a belief against all challenges, then I do not accept the belief.

ch_tah2 says

Can you comment on patrick's 4 points w/ the abortion modification?

Reference what you mean. This has been a long thread.

Dan8267 says

ch_tah2 says

Can you comment on patrick's 4 points w/ the abortion modification?

Reference what you mean. This has been a long thread.

For fucks sake, I just reposted above. #417

Dan8267 says

ch_tah2 says

The term "deadbeat dad" isn't around for nothing.

The only deadbeat dad is the dad who agrees to have a child with a woman and then reneges after the child is born. Men who don't want a child, are honest about it, and then have no say as the woman chooses to go through with the pregnancy anyway aren't deadbeats for leaving. They are escaped slaves. You aren't entitled to someone else's life.

Tell that to the child...

Exactly (Dan8267):
The only deadbeat dad is the dad who agrees to have a child with a woman and then reneges after the child is born. Men who don't want a child, are honest about it, and then have no say as the woman chooses to go through with the pregnancy anyway aren't deadbeats for leaving. They are escaped slaves. You aren't entitled to someone else's life.

I would agree that "deadbeat" applies to fathers who were "married" to the spouse and children came as the result. Do note that injustices occur in this situation as well. If the woman does not admit to having an affair and bears another man's child, but the husband is unaware - that husband can be considered the actual father according to the courts if he established a relationship with the child. Especially so if the true father is unknown. This is quite common in the courts, and I would urge every husband to paternity test their children, unless they are willing to live with the potential consequences. Moreover, even if you do a pat test, and are found not to be the bio father, if the child is older the courts have found that they are still responsible since they "acted" as the father for some time. Of course, if you are the male "affair partner", if they can ID you, then there is potential to come back for "back child support" as well.

In all of these cases, the state doesn't really care about the rights of the mother or father - but supposedly has the best interest of the child. However, while that may have applied in a world where most children were born "in-wedlock", that is not the case today. So, things that seem illogical or unfair are really done solely in the interest of the child - regardless of either party's post contraception rights.

krc says

I would agree that "deadbeat" applies to fathers who were "married" to the spouse and children came as the result.

Unless both went into the marriage understanding that they wouldn't have children, and then the woman decided that she wanted a child. Some people do get married with the expectation of not having children. This is very common in second marriages.

krc says

In all of these cases, the state doesn't really care about the rights of the mother or father - but supposedly has the best interest of the child.

If that's the case, becoming a parent should require a license, and getting that license should require demonstrating that you don't need any kind of welfare or child support.

Dan, you ever going to answer? Or did you lose the post again?

ch_tah2 says

Dan, you ever going to answer? Or did you lose the post again?

Answer what. I'm not obligated to spend every second catering to you on PatNet. If you have a clear argument or sincere question then present it. I don't avoid issues, but I don't waste my time trying to interpret unintelligible crap.

Dan8267 says

ch_tah2 says

Dan, you ever going to answer? Or did you lose the post again?

Answer what. I'm not obligated to spend every second catering to you on PatNet. If you have a clear argument or sincere question then present it. I don't avoid issues, but I don't waste my time trying to interpret unintelligible crap.

Post #417...

Since you might be having trouble finding it...it's the one after #416 and the one before #418.

Post 417 to me is

Dan8267 says

417   Dan8267   12:11pm today   tweet   ↑ like   ↓ dislike   quote   edit

It all comes down to this. Both men and women have the right to say no, an no means no!

PatNet doesn't use consistent numbering due to server-side filtering of posts. Quote the post you mean.

ch_tah2 says

Since you might be having trouble finding it...it's the one after #416 and the one before #418.

I love it when people ignorant of a subject matter get cocky. How does that help me if your #416 and #418 differs from mine?

I thought you were gonna say that if you can't find #417, you probably can't find #416 or #418.

ok, for the third time (this was in response to patrick's 4 options):

So it sounds like the biggest issue to you is her right to choose an abortion. With Trump as president and if Ginsberg retires or passes away, that right to an abortion could go away. If that's what happens, then your possible cases become:
1) they both want it, they both have responsibility
2) he doesn't want it, she doesn't want it. She's forced to birth the baby, but afterwards, they put it up for adoption or abandon it at the firehouse.
3) he does want it, she doesn't want it. She pays child support.
4) he doesn't want it, she does want it. He pays child support.

Other than the aspect of removing a woman's right to an abortion, everyone has equal rights in this situation. What do you think Patrick? Would removing her right to have an abortion be enough for the MJWs?

Given the initiative process in CA, does anyone believe we could successfully implement laws/changes that could correct this injustice? Something that would throw a bone to everyone: if you are in a married relationship and have a child, both parties are responsible (this protects the family unit and the taxpayer). IF you are not married (living together or not), then males would have the right to refuse financial entanglement. The female would retain the right to have the child or abort in either case.

The question always becomes what is the taxpayer roll for supporting a "fatherless" child? Let's recognize the fact that the state will not refuse to support a mother and child - period. So, then, how would you craft an initiative process that could actually pass? I know licensing was discussed, but the courts and legislatures are loath to get into reproductive rights licensing, for many of the reasons discussed in this thread already.