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MrEd says

clinton having top secret emails on her unsecured home computer hacked by god knows who

Um, you do realize that Hillary's email server wasn't hacked and it was secure just not on a government secured server?

This statement makes no sense, except to liberals who expect their corrupt politicians to remain in office despite their illegal actions.
This is exactly how the system is supposed to work.

"Flynn, no more. Wow. Stunning!"

Um, you do realize that even the NY TImes, the great bastion of liberal doctrine, acknowledges that clinton's server was hacked like a bad flank steak...

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/hillary-clintons-email-was-probably-hacked-experts-say.html?_r=0astronut97 says

Um, you do realize that Hillary's email server wasn't hacked and it was secure just not on a government secured server?

There, that's better.

joeyjojojunior says

And you were outraged that a woman deleted Government Top Secret Classified emails from a private account, but are fine with a President that may be compromised by a foreign country.

MrEd says

clinton's server was hacked

MrEd says

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/07/us/hillary-clintons-email-was-probably-hacked-experts-say.html?_r=0astronut97 says

Read more carefully. Was isn't the same as was probably.

lostand confused says

joeyjojojunior says

Bullshit again. Post the email and let's take a look at it.

Nothing I post will change a dem's mind .

So you are saying you can't post it? I'd like to see it and I'm not a dem.

https://www.wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10585

Read it and see what you think.

It's a big nothingburger unless your name is TLL Lips. I bet every President gets a similar list from an advisor.

lostand confused says

citibank send s a list to who else-Podest

lostand confused says

I don't see anything wrong in what he did

So you see that a perfectly legal and normal suggestion of appointees (everyone and their brother suggests people to a new administration, it happened with trump also) is wrong but with a very likely violation of the logan act you see nothing wrong. I get it.

bob2356 says

So you see that a perfectly legal and normal suggestion of appointees (everyone and their brother suggests people to a new administration, it happened with trump also) is wrong but with a very likely violation of the logan act you see nothing wrong. I get it.

So him agreeing to everything citibank says and giving them their candidates is right.

What he called the Russians to say Hi and say hey in a few weeks I am going to be in the admin sworn in is wrong and potential violation of logan act. Loony tunes . How many calls did Obama make before he was sworn in-that is the norm. Trump took the right action here, because looks like he did not pass on the right info to Pence-you cna't work with someone like that.

You loony tunes-every admin is talking to people all over the world before they are sworn in after they are elected-all are now in violation of Logan ac??t. Hahaha-you never cease to amaze me.

lostand confused says

So him agreeing to everything citibank says and giving them their candidates is right.

Even if it ware remotely true this is relevant how?

lostand confused says

What he called the Russians to say Hi and say hey in a few weeks I am going to be in the admin

So this is why pence is furious at Flynn and Flynn resigned. For calling up and saying hi. You learn something new on patnet every day. Amazing. Right. Got it. Keep this up, I really need laughs in the morning.

bob2356 says

Even if it ware remotely true this is relevant how?

This is in response to another person.bob2356 says

o this is why pence is furious at Flynn and Flynn resigned. For calling up and saying hi. You learn something new on patnet every day. Amazing. Right. Got it. Keep this up, I really need laughs in the morning.

I manage people. If one of my people did something questionable and he lied to me and I go to bat for him based on his lies and it came out-I would be furious. How cna you trust that person again. But hey patnet might change, your silliness never does.

"So him agreeing to everything citibank says and giving them their candidates is right."

He did? Citibank sent him a list of many candidates--multiple candidates for each position. How could he have agreed with them? Did he pick multiple people for each position?

He didn't have to step down he just did.
I sure hope Trump replaces him with someone even more vile and disgusting to the Leftarded idiots.
They get good tone.

lol ... not willing to read all the bullshit the proTrumpers are putting down in this thread.

The point is that this administration desperately needs to feel like it isn't embattled and that it isn't under siege. The fact is, it very much is, and no it isn't from Islam. Watch now for more "give us a chance" whining coming soon.

Trump should release his taxes now. (wink) I'm sure we will find nothing of import there. Right?

Trump has nothing to hide. (smug libby smile)

Just curious joeyjojojuniour...
You have no problem with a rep from citi bank sending the POTUS cabinet post suggestions?
Wether or not it influenced his (Obama) decision making process.

From your previous posts, you don't seem to find it as troubling as I do. I don't remember Obama putting out the word for cabinet post suggestions. If he did... could we all send in suggestions? If not...

Why does a desk jockey, working in a bank, have a better grasp than you or I as to how the cabinet should shape up? Also how is it a suit monkey, working at a financial institution, have the POTUS's email? I don't have it. Do you? And I don't mean the president@whitehouse.gov given out to school kids and answered by whitehouse staff.

Could it be, perhaps, that Citi bank donated a bucket load of $$$ to Obama's campaign and now comes time to pay the piper? Perhaps this is how the sausage of a capitalist (democracy) gets made? AND it doesn't matter if the boss behind the desk is wearing a blue or red tie.

junkmail says

Wether or not it influenced his (Obama) decision making process.

It's all Bush's fault

FINALLY, after a year, the Left has something they can spin into a victory! Congrats!

Rew says

The point is that this administration desperately needs to feel like it isn't embattled and that it isn't under siege. The fact is, it very much is, and no it isn't from Islam. Watch now for more "give us a chance" whining coming soon.

It's from the Deep State - unelected bureaucrats - and the increasingly irrelevant Media.

Flynn was just like Logan.

Logan negotiated with France as a private citizen and got Tallyrand to agree not to abduct US sailors from our ships.

Adams, the big government advocate of his day, was embarrassed a Jeffersonian succeeded where he failed, so he got his ppl in Congress to pass the Logan Act.

Today, Flynn resigned because he apparently asked and got Russia not to retaliate on Sanctions an outgoing Lame Duck President imposed in the last moments of his Presidency.

Sad!

This was a Trump blunder - to give in on this stupid, miniscule issue.

Yes, that sinister dark conspiracy, where the opposition is controlled sheeple enslaved by the media talking heads, unable to critically think for themselves, and championing an elitist status quo agenda at the expense of the poor peasants, the true Americans, guardians of the humble and wholesome path, who have been forgotten. (Massive run on, no Fs to give)

This champion of the people, the common folk hero, the one who is speaking for them is ... Trump. (Ha!) Protect us Trump! Save us from the terrorists and the people who took my non-existent job.

T L Lipsovich says

Rew says

The point is that this administration desperately needs to feel like it isn't embattled and that it isn't under siege. The fact is, it very much is, and no it isn't from Islam. Watch now for more "give us a chance" whining coming soon.

It's from the Deep State - unelected bureaucrats - and the increasingly irrelevant Media.

Why would the Trump administration be under siege from The Deep State?

It seems more like the scrutiny is coming from Freedom Loving Americans, and people concerned with The Economy and Jobs

T L, if that were true, you argue camp Trump will happily destroy true civil setvants in the name of perception?

Rew says

Save us from the terrorists and the people who took my non-existent job.

And this is why he will win 2020. Ivory tower elites.

If I'm as close an example to an ivory tower elitist camp Trump can find, they are in deep shit!

FLYNNGHAZI!!!!

FLYNNGHAZI!!!!

How much $ will Cum Swapping TrumpBots demand should be spent to root out the TRUTH OF FLYNNGHAZI!!!!

Under the current media scrutiny... just wondering if an administration representative, started running around the seats of power, waving a vial of 'yellow cake'... Would we have spent 2T dollars and killed over 300,000 humans?

Going to war the media will green-light and ostracize those who speak out. How does that compare to the magnifying glass this administration is under?

Just curious.

The mainstream media bought into that war and were used, by the administration, as a propaganda tool. So excuse me if I take everything I hear from them with a grain of salt.

ALTHOUGH. Every now and again... they do let the truth slip out.

www.youtube.com/embed/gk0TqIbPNbY

"You have no problem with a rep from citi bank sending the POTUS cabinet post suggestions?"

Like was said earlier--everybody and their brother sends suggestions. Who cares?

"I don't remember Obama putting out the word for cabinet post suggestions"

You mean like he didn't go on the 11 O'clock news asking the public for suggestions? Of course not. He did likely put out the word to his advisors to suggest names, however.

Junkmail, I think the risk for the US population to be pushed into an unwise conflict, due to the current climate of fear, is at an all-time high. Yes. A much smaller nudge than 911 is needed, for sure.

I see a very real likelihood of us blundering into a new conflict or being scared into one.

Seriously, heaven help us if a terror attack comes on Trump's watch. The amount of "I was right." followed by draconian civil liberty eroding "safety and defense" policies will be staggering.

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was. We haven't even remotely come down to a typical norm. When we ratchet up again, especially from here, America probably won't look very American to some.

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was.

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I must have missed something. What were we doing to this end?

Rew says

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was.

THIS!

The National Defense Authorization Act [4] signed by President Obama on the 31st December 2011 authorizes the indefinite detention, without trial or indictment, of any US citizens designated as enemies by the executive.

Rew says

Yes, that sinister dark conspiracy, where the opposition is controlled sheeple enslaved by the media talking heads, unable to critically think for themselves, and championing an elitist status quo agenda at the expense of the poor peasants, the true Americans, guardians of the humble and wholesome path, who have been forgotten. (Massive run on, no Fs to give)

Don't be silly. A nation of 350M people doesn't not march in lock step - the fact that we do on so many issues is actually scary, not positive. Institutions develop a certain view of the world, especially if those views are heavily influenced by wealthy, big spending think tanks and the promise of contracts, appointments, and consulting jobs with everybody from Foreign Affairs to Crowdstrike to Saudi Arabia.

You can't think of an institution or class in history that remained stubbornly married to a narrative despite overwhelming evidence is was rubbish?

Dems never mention how Obama embraced the total destruction of the 4th Amendment.

And, the NSA flat out lied, as did Clapper, about mass warrantless wiretaps. To allow this, the 4th Amendment would have to be modified via an amendment process. That didn't happen.

Obama could have issued an executive order stopping this, it didn't matter who in Congress opposed it (since their only way of passing a law to allow it would be shot down by any SCOTUS 9-0 due to 4th Amendment Conflict).

Not only did Obama not keep his promise to eliminate the troublesome parts of the Patriot Act (written years before 9/11), he ended his Presidency with even more violations of Civil Liberties.

Yes, deflect. deflect.

But Obama!!!

But Clinton!!!

Trumps actions are good because they're just like Obama!

Bizarro World indeed

joeyjojojunior says

Yes, deflect. deflect.

Ignore! Ignore! Speculate on what Trump might do while ignoring what Obama did to the 4th Amendment!

Did Obama fire Clapper for lying to Congress and violating the 4th Amendment even more than what was previously revealed?

Rew says

We were only just begging to unwind some of the DHS, Patriot Act, overreach as it was. We haven't even remotely come down to a typical norm. When we ratchet up again, especially from here, America probably won't look very American to some.

People who actually follow these issues closely, think Obama was horrible on Civil Liberties. And they're not right-wingers. One of the last acts of Obama was to expand these powers allow information gleaned by warrantless spying to be shared among more agencies.

However—and this is especially troubling—“if analysts stumble across evidence that an American has committed any crime, they will send it to the Justice Department,” the Times wrote. So information that was collected without a warrant—or indeed any involvement by a court at all—for foreign intelligence purposes with little to no privacy protections, can be accessed raw and unfiltered by domestic law enforcement agencies to prosecute Americans with no involvement in threats to national security.

We had hoped for more. In November, we and other civil liberties and privacy groups sent a letter to President Obama asking him to improve transparency and accountability, especially around government surveillance, before he leaves office. This is not the transparency we were hoping for.