patrick.net

Note that this is ad hominem against Trump, but since he's not on patrick.net (yet!) it's not a violation of the rule against insulting other users.

I thought he did a good job of grabbing Stephanopolous' pussy and giving it a twist.

He's become completely unhinged.

Eat lead, fuckers!

Ironman says

Do you really think for a millisecond it matters to me what YOU think or that your opinion matters for anything?

Very much so.
Doesn't the fact that you just dinged your civility score, in the face of my challenge, kind of prove the point?

In my opinion, I believe you have a preoccupation with approval. Here on Pnet that has manifested in measuring likes/dislikes/ignores and also being very adversarial with those that not only just don't share your opinion, but that you can tell sway opinion, and ARE valued on PNet. That's just pure observation over the past year+.

What else explains a thread like this, and your reaction to the ad-hom' button? I interpret that as you feeling threatened in a way that does matter to you. Why else post like this?

I am actually a little sorry you get picked on so much. It's not really constructive or beneficial to anyone dishing or taking. (Rew's libby care bear side)

Before I decided to ignore you, I felt there were little glimmers/sparks of reasonable argument in you, but eventually I decided that rational debate with you was a fools errand. It just continued to descend into the abyss. I was happy to have the forums returned to a more balanced state of article and opinion too. So, I gave up on saving the "Darth Vader" of Pnet. (My favorite villain!)

;) Notice you are off ignore now. I'm so curious where you go from here. (eating popcorn) You can continue as you are, no change, or you could decide to give a more civil tone a chance. I don't really think there are high odds of that ... but ... #hope

Ironman says

If you want to be taken seriously with a thread or post, you should just try and find a better source than WaPo.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/70434254ffba46fd9199a8e36c4110d9/ap-fact-check-trumps-messy-case-he-inherited-mess

Patrick.net FAKE NEWS!

100% civil! :) Heh!

Trump is a billionaire who talks like a construction worker. If you are an elitist liberal, this would offend your sensibilities, which you can shove up your ass.

Ironman says

Either is WaPo, AP, NYT...

AP : centrist
http://www.allsides.com/news-source/associated-press

NYT, WaPo, left lean ... which is different the hard right.
http://www.allsides.com/news-source/new-york-times
http://www.allsides.com/news-source/washington-post

Ironman says

So who do you think leaked this information?

US intelligence agents, or there is some evidence to think may be our allies spy agencies. We shall see.

Ironman says

Is that SOP for the intelligence agencies? To leak private conversations?

If they felt they were being ignored, or had no other channels to raise concerns to, it absolutely is SOP.

Ironman says

If ducky really wants to make a anti-Trump point, he should post Fox News links.

Heres Your Card says

Ironman says

If ducky really wants to make a anti-Trump point, he should post Fox News links. Duckface Fuckface Lying Libby Pedophile has to use quotes that are pro-Trump otherwise he has to admit he's RIGGED EVERYTHING!! RIGGED EVERYTHING!! Admit it Duckface Fuckface Lying Libby Pedophile!! I demand that you admit it!!!!!!!!

YesYNot says

The interesting thing is that this fake 'fake news' topic isn't completely off topic, because it highlights the very problem with the Trump administration.

Ironman says

So which is it, do they work for the "red, white, and blue", or just for the "blue" (team)?

You can't have it both ways to suit your narrative (today).

I think you wrongly assume going against Trump, de-facto, makes you part of the blue team. A good civil servant will not only support whatever factions and agendas are put forward by their leadership, they will also challenge it where they believe they need to, and in some circumstances they may be insubordinate and attempt to sabotage an agenda they believe is a threat to America.

The CIA and FBI aren't a bunch of "yes" men. Blind allegiance isn't what our Democracy values.

Test to see how my civil service is.

100% does that mean I can get a job working for the government?

Are you trying to say that a thing and its opposite cannot simultaneously be true?

That's patriarchal logic!

Go fuck yourself Wogster.

In the dome one has more cred the lower the score.

Shit I just lost some cred by posting

From Politico:

But according to an individual familiar with Harward's thinking, the former Navy SEAL who served on the National Security Council under President George W. Bush turned down the Trump offer because he did not receive sufficient assurances about staffing and autonomy. Specifically, the source said Harward wanted commitments that the National Security Council would be fully in charge of security matters, not Trump's political advisers.

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/robert-harward-national-security-adviser-trump-balks-235120

It's patently obvious Blurt man has dominated and won this exchange going away...

Trump's platform emphasizes renegotiating U.S.–China relations and free trade agreements such as NAFTA and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, strongly enforcing immigration laws, and building a new wall along the U.S.–Mexico border. His other positions include pursuing energy independence while opposing climate change regulations such as the Clean Power Plan and the Paris Agreement, modernizing and expediting services for veterans, repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, abolishing Common Core education standards, investing in infrastructure, simplifying the tax code while reducing taxes for all economic classes, and imposing tariffs on imports by companies offshoring jobs. He advocates a largely non-interventionist approach to foreign policy while increasing military spending, "extreme vetting" of immigrants from Muslim-majority countries to preempt domestic Islamic terrorism, and aggressive military action against ISIS. His positions have been described by scholars and commentators as populist, protectionist, and nationalist.

Trump's platform emphasizes renegotiating U.S.–China relations and free trade agreements such as NAFTA and the Trans-Pacific Partnership, strongly enforcing immigration laws, and building a new wall along the U.S.–Mexico border. His other positions include pursuing energy independence while opposing climate change regulations such as the Clean Power Plan and the Paris Agreement, modernizing and expediting services for veterans, repealing and replacing the Affordable Care Act, abolishing Common Core education standards, investing in infrastructure, simplifying the tax code while reducing taxes for all economic classes, and imposing tariffs on imports by companies offshoring jobs. He advocates a largely non-interventionist approach to foreign policy while increasing military spending, "extreme vetting" of immigrants from Muslim-majority countries to preempt domestic Islamic terrorism, and aggressive military action against ISIS. His positions have been described by scholars and commentators as populist, protectionist, and nationalist.

Ironman says

If ducky really wants to make a anti-Trump point, he should post Fox News links.

Fox News:
www.youtube.com/embed/fysSDYkhHlU

:)
http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/319985-fox-news-anchor-defends-cnn-reporter-who-asked-about-russia

I've found piggy's last words.

www.youtube.com/embed/z_xMZ8s9m4E?start=8&end=11

CBS...a story that goes straight to the toilet

Ironman says

bad choice to use as an example. You'll have to do better.

I see. The goal posts ever shifting. So now not only must be a right wing news outlet, it must be the 'right type of person' too? When you decide on hair color and favorite sport the media person has to have to be credible, let me know.

My impression is the only "source" you would listen to is one you agree with.

Trump's verbal diarrhoea over one state/two state was probably even worse than this latest debacle.

Heavily used alts... Didn't his wife post very occasionally?

Rew says

My impression is the only "source" you would listen to is one you agree with.

You are just figuring this out now? A little slow on the uptake.

Rashomon says

Trump's verbal diarrhoea over one state/two state was probably even worse than this latest debacle.

Time for the two state solution is now passing. The Palestinians had been made several good offers in the past 20 years, but each time they walked away and doubled down on terrorism instead of a making counter-offer. The world never penalized the Palestinians for walking away from the table.

There is probably one chance, but to succeed there has to be aid cuts, travel bans of Fatah and Hamas members, and other sanctions for refusing to negotiate. Not just the usual "Blame Israelis."

Only a slim majority of Palestinians and Israelites want it. And increasingly, a large number of Americans don't want it, almost a plurality now. One of the big problems is that when Palestinians hear "Two-State Solution" they think not just ALL the pre-1967 border, but additional lands reducing Israel to basically a strip on the Coast.

It's an extraordinarily complex issue with huge regional ramifications and doesn't warrant the blathering and ill-informed comments produced by Trump:

“I’m looking at two-state and one-state and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like...”
“I can live with either one. I thought for a while it looked like the two-state might be the easier of the two – but honestly if Bibi, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy, I’m happy with the one they like the best...”

Does he even know what one state potentially means? His spiel isn't funny anymore, if it ever was.

Quigley says

There's no volcano recently, so this colder winter must be the result of a different phenomenon.

What colder than normal winter? Winter has been pretty mild around me. Jan was 11 degrees above normal and Feb is 6 degrees above normal so far. Ice thickness is pretty poor. There have been a bunch of people through this season.

YesYNot says

But according to an individual familiar with Harward's thinking, the former Navy SEAL who served on the National Security Council under President George W. Bush turned down the Trump offer because he did not receive sufficient assurances about staffing and autonomy. Specifically, the source said Harward wanted commitments that the National Security Council would be fully in charge of security matters, not Trump's political advisers.

Who is this guy? Can I talk to him? Oh, another anonymous source. "Familiar with Harward's thinking" = somebody from another administration who worked with him occasionally.

I can't possibly imagine why Harward wouldn't want to put themselves through the smear jobbing each cabinet nomination has gotten. He'd be called an anti-semite, accused of being in the pay of Iran because he lived there under the Shah as a Kid, or just in the pay of Putin and having Russian connections as usual. etc. etc.

Rashomon says

blathering and ill-informed comments produced by Trump:

“I’m looking at two-state and one-state and I like the one that both parties like. I’m very happy with the one that both parties like...”

“I can live with either one. I thought for a while it looked like the two-state might be the easier of the two – but honestly if Bibi, if Israel and the Palestinians are happy, I’m happy with the one they like the best...”

Does he even know what one state potentially means? His spiel isn't funny anymore, if it ever was.

Lead if Obama said it: "President wisely insists on broad, multi-lateral agreement on any solution adopted between Israel and Palestine. Nobel Peace Prize winner leaves door open for any kind of agreement."

it looks like the lefties are doubling down on their election strategy-good. Don't change, don't try to understand-double and triple down-very, very good. They used to say Obama was the master of 8th dimension chess.Hahahaha!!

She did until she came across his misogynist threads, then she stopped mysteriously...

Rashomon says

Heavily used alts... Didn't his wife post very occasionally?

WaPoIsHitler Lipsovitch says

Lead if Obama said it: "President wisely insists on broad, multi-lateral agreement on any solution adopted between Israel and Palestine. Nobel Peace Prize winner leaves door open for any kind of agreement."

Utter nonsense. If Obama had done what Trump did, then he too would have been lambasted. Unfortunately for you, Obama was actually able to grasp the details and handle himself in front of the press.

The Political Climate Crew spend their time trying to implement Carbon Credits and Tax Penalties. They have zero interest in practical solutions for warming. They also deliberately fudge numbers to create alarming headlines aimed at effecting strategic international events which push for taxing powerful carbon dioxide creators. Al Gore went all-in with his personal investments a decade ago on the carbon credit scheme.

I cannot possibly count the number of sensational headlines showing why we should freak-out and pay taxes because of retreating ice at Glacier Bay.

Unfortunately for the political crowd, we know precisely where the glaciers were in the early 1700's. Heavy glacial retreat was underway by 1750. They intentionally ignore how the trend began in Glacier Bay more than 150 years before the industrial revolution. This is because the truth would damage the plan for Carbon Taxation.