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joeyjojojunior says

So, what exactly changed after this debacle that will bring the Dems to the table now as opposed to 2 weeks ago?

Because people are still overwhelmingly displeased with Obamacare, whose costs continue to skyrocket out of the means of even the most ardent supporters. If the Democrats show a resolve to keep it AS IS without any modifications, then they own the slow motion disaster and lose even more bigly next election. As a purely political move, this one is a master stroke.

Quigley says

Because people are still overwhelmingly displeased with Obamacare, whose costs continue to skyrocket out of the means of even the most ardent supporters

But my question was what changed in the last 2 weeks. All of those things were true before Trump was humiliated by this bill failing. Why didn't he just work with Dems from the start if that's what he really wanted to do?

Quigley says

If the Democrats show a resolve to keep it AS IS without any modifications, then they own the slow motion disaster and lose even more bigly next election. As a purely political move, this one is a master stroke.

Whatever you say.

For the challenged ducks, let me make this simple. The President can NOT legislate by himself! He needs about 450 congressmen to do that! Balance of powers! Honestly it's like you've never cracked a social studies book.

What's changed is that the GOPe has been shown for the fraud that it is! They had seven years to come up with a better plan and they failed miserably. The other stuff hasn't changed and is most relevant to your original question which is why I gave it. The GOPe thought it was in power but has now learned differently. The factions which remain must come together to produce something that is actually good for America. Trump can NOT legislate! The most he can do is encourage people to legislate and sign off on whatever is produced!
Read your Constitution, people!

Two months is hardly the cut off. He's got four years to corral the globalists and MAGA.

I think Trump is doing OK so far.

He's certainly giving it a good go at implementing much of what he promised asap. Not sure most people really want him to follow through on putting Clinton in jail, but the wall and replacing Obamacare may yet happen.

Tenpoundbass says

The only thing Liberals have at this point, is celebrities that loathe America and Faggots that wants to turn our kids out.

The Democrats are fucking hurting Bigly!!!

Я называю дерьмо этим товарищем

Quigley says

What's changed is that the GOPe has been shown for the fraud that it is! They had seven years to come up with a better plan and they failed miserably. The other stuff hasn't changed and is most relevant to your original question which is why I gave it. The GOPe thought it was in power but has now learned differently. The factions which remain must come together to produce something that is actually good for America. Trump can NOT legislate! The most he can do is encourage people to legislate and sign off on whatever is produced!

Read your Constitution, people!

So what changed?

Did you somehow not know that ppaca was written by The Heritage Foundation?

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

errc says

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

The point was they wouldn't, they'd double down on it. Which they did. Which showed the voters that the GOPe was everything they were afraid it was, and sowed the seeds of its decline. Trump is, hopefully, the first in a line of reformers. He's a bully and a swaggering fool at times, but he was what was available for the populist movement that was due. You know that the majority now believes cannibis should be legal? That's populism baby, but the entrenched deep state doesn't want it. You still have the same enemy, it's just going to take time. You gotta hang in there like MLK and his Dream.

I don't see any sinsemilla smoke stains on this ScotusFACE...
and you know what that means you libbie hemp huffers...

Win some lose some. No Hillary in WH is a win in itself.

errc says

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

Good point.

Why would Ryan, whose wife is a lobbyist for Pharma, BC/BS, and other insurance companies and private hospitals, wanna kill his working wife's cash cow?

Ryan was trying to hide the penalty by shifting the payee from the IRS in your income taxes, to the insurance company when you suck it up and pay the rack rent after avoiding ludicrously overpriced health "insurance". That would help save the Obamney care by redirecting Public Ire and Impetus from Reform away from DC.

They'd call in some Idaho or South Dakota monopoly insurance provides, yell at them a bit in committee, and then go to recess with nothing changed.

Tenpoundbass says

Just watch, Trump is showing you how you deal with those Ass holes.

So far, Trump 0. Credibility 0. Under siege from public, the media, and his own intelligence services. Favorability dropping. Sharks circling looking for a reason to impeach.

Trump better move to burn down the Reichstag quick, because at this rate he isn't going to last a full year.

another example of an angry taxi cab driver not understanding how the legislative branch works.

back to Civic 101 you go.

Democrats & Republicans probably wouldn't benefit from top notch psychiatric treatment.

"Can't fix Stupid."

Quigley says

For the challenged ducks, let me make this simple. The President can NOT legislate by himself!

The Republicans currently control the Senate, the House, the White House, and the Supreme Court. For the past 7 years when they didn't have this monopoly, they "tried" to repeal Obamacare 5 million times. Now that they have absolute control they immediately give up because they can't get enough Republican vote? They don't need a single Democratic vote. No, they are giving up because it was never about repealing Obamacare. It was just about driving a wedge issue.

Their constituents fell for it, and are still too stupid that the Republicans were making complete asses of their constituents. The conservative right voter simply cannot admit to himself that he was duped, so he will continue to believe any ridiculous lie that denies he was duped.

You are mistaken. The USS Skate did indeed surface near the north pole on August 11, 1959 at 9:47 PM EDT and radioed the news back to London.

The following year the Skate surfaced again at the Pole - this time in March. So "yes" the ice was a bit heavier in winter.

Today about a third of the arctic basin is more than double the thickness than measured in the same regions in 1958. Subs also surfaced in open water at the pole in 1962 and 1987.

Here's the account from NavalHistory.org:

https://www.navalhistory.org/2011/08/11/uss-skate-ssn-578-becomes-the-first-submarine-to-surface-at-the-north-pole

And the USS Hawkbill surfaced with only the sail breaking through the ice at the pole in 1999.

It's all a game played with stats. Make the past colder, using basically gaussian correction and limited or cherry-picked data in recent years to create a greater that true increase.

Yes CO2 is a green house gas. Yes, we make a lot of it. The warming is real. But other factors we don't fully understand also warm and cool the planet independently of human interference. These factors are inconvenient to those wishing to get filthy rich from the planned carbon tax schemes.

We should panic more over clean air and clean water problems, ALSO worsened by human activity, than by the statistically demonstrable exaggerated warming currently popular with the PC crowd.

It wouldn't hurt to admit that the Medieval Warm Period WAS actually warm, especially given that the Southern Hemisphere was NOT proportionately colder during the same time period, and that some non-human factor cooled the entire northern hemisphere again without delayed carbon syncs of unproven freak events.

Long live YAD06. Some Manitoban Hockey player should find YAD and make a glorious symbolic hockey stick from his stunted branches - for no other tree in history has so changed the world (than the one that dropped the apple on Newton's noggin.

"errc says

Why on Earth would the GOPe repeal Heritage Foundation legislation?

Good point."

Not really. GOPe voted for unanimously for repeal. The freedom caucus is NOT GOPe under pretty much any definition. The establishment narrative is just bollocks.

Trumpcare was a tax bill that would have redistributed wealth to the top 1% bigly, that had a little bit of healthcare stuck in there as well.

We should panic more over clean air and clean water problems, ALSO worsened by human activity, than by the statistically demonstrable exaggerated warming currently popular with the PC crowd.

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Agree. It's time to ditch the whole Global Warming--->Climate Change campaign. It's poisoned and the marketing department failed to sell it to the masses. It's time to regroup and rebrand. The next iteration ought keep it simple, and learn from the mistakes. It's The Pollution, dummies. Pollution is bad. We should all work to combat polluting our environment.

Ah, but it's clear that the GOPe wasn't interested in a healthcare plan that actually benefitted the people, just the insurance companies and the Uber wealthy! Trump(or should I say Bannon) knew this and let Ryan lead the GOPe to a disaster just to discredit this faction of the Republicans who believe themselves to be in control.
They had to learn that they do NOT have a majority. Maybe on paper, but not where the deals get done. They are diametrically opposed to the reforms that the American people want to happen, and in this sense, the GOPe is just as great an enemy of freedom and the people as the Leftists. In fact, during the election they appeared to be allied in an effort to STOP TRUMP! Or had you forgotten already? Turning this train around is going to take time and lots of dealing. The one thing we know about Trump is that he does deals all day long. He doesn't give up, go to camp David, and sulk like a little girl for seven years when the opposing party won't support him. Trump is in the position where his desired reforms will be supported by roughly half the Republicans and half the Democrats. They just have to be convinced to stop playing partisan politics and start passing legislation that benefits their constituents!

And then there's the elephant in the room...

"Ah, but it's clear that the GOPe wasn't interested in a healthcare plan that actually benefitted the people, just the insurance companies and the Uber wealthy! Trump(or should I say Bannon) knew this and let Ryan lead the GOPe to a disaster just to discredit this faction of the Republicans who believe themselves to be in control."

Wow-the amount of rationalizing and revisionist history on here is mind-boggling. Trump absolutely wanted this deal and would have signed it proudly. There was no grand plan to discredit Ryan or the GOPe.

"The one thing we know about Trump is that he does deals all day long"

And he's finding out that making deals in Washington is a lot different than making deals in the boardroom. He's 0 for 1 so far. About to be 0-2 when tax reform fails and 0-3 when the wall fails too.

BlueSardine says

And then there's the elephant in the room...

This is a win for Mercer, but not for Trump or his voters.

Ah, but it's clear that the GOPe wasn't interested in a healthcare plan that actually benefitted the people, just the insurance companies and the Uber wealthy

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It took you until 2017 to figure this out? How old are you?

They just have to be convinced to stop playing partisan politics and start passing legislation that benefits their constituents!

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Must be nice to live in lala land

Perception is reality.
If the conservative base sees it as a "win", well then, to them it is, regardless of the various (judicial) outcomes...

YesYNot says

This is a win for Mercer, but not for Trump or his voters.

errc says

Must be nice to live in lala land

It's nice yes, but the traffic can be just awful!

You're saying he gave up, this isn't even the 100 day mark yet. You are so callously petty it's the only transparency left in the Left.

I'd say without even looking at other comments that the "win" was in not repealing--it would have been entirely on the republicans for better or worse and probably worse. It was foolish to try that quickly anyway. Something that took over a year to work out would have needed at least that length of time to replace in any cogent fashion.

Libs lose another state seat, Libs still hemorrhaging seats to our movement.
https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2017/03/28/resist-under-trump-dems-finally-flip-a-state-legislature-seatto-republicans-n2304918

"He will only get done what the Liberal coalition of Obama's George Soros money will allow him to do."

wtf? He is a Republican President with a Republican majority House, a Republican majority Senate, soon to be a Republican majority Supreme Court. How the hell does the liberal coalition of Soros have any power?

joeyjojojunior says

wtf? He is a Republican President with a Republican majority House, a Republican majority Senate, soon to be a Republican majority Supreme Court. How the hell does the liberal coalition of Soros have any power?

Are you being coy or you really that ignorant to the reality in Washington right now?
Trump is being sabotaged by McCain, Ryan, Grahm and quite a few other RINO's.
Who are working in close tandem with the Liberals. Noticed the Democrats kept their mouth shut while brother Paul Ryan tried to do all of their dirty work.
I think it's hilarious that Trump then blamed the Democrats for the failure. And the American voter agrees. Priceless!!!!

"Are you being coy or you really that ignorant to the reality in Washington right now? Trump is being sabotaged by McCain, Ryan, Grahm and quite a few other RINO's."

No, he is being sabotaged by the Freedom Caucus. The most anti-establishment wing of the Republican party. He is being done in by the ANTI-ESTABLISHMENT. How ironic is that?

"Noticed the Democrats kept their mouth shut while brother Paul Ryan tried to do all of their dirty work."

You're delusional. Paul Ryan tried to pass another bill that would enrich the 1%. Just like Trump's own tax plan. It was exactly what Trump wanted.

"I think it's hilarious that Trump then blamed the Democrats for the failure. And the American voter agrees. Priceless!!!!"

bwahahahaha. The American voter has placed blame exactly where it belongs--on Trump. His approval rating is the worst ever for a President at this point in his term. It is beyond crappy. It's historically bad.

Yup I'll take a Trump Hitler over the Establishment Stalin.

We'll see wont we. The view from here is the Liberals and the RINOs are the grotesque monsters here. You guys really live n a bubble.
People are not as reactive toward Trump as they were, they are being repulsed by the Deep State for sure. They might not have swallowed the Red Pill but they are Woke, make no mistake they Woke. The future elections will be a who's who of novice candidates, the career politician is the walking dead until 2018 when they get the Memo.
I don't know what to tell ya, that is the next eventuality. I would like to ponder what Trump will get done between now and 2018. But we all know everyone in Washington DC took Micheal Moore plea to heart to resist the President of the United States.

You Bastards have no earthly idea how terrifying that is to EVERY voter, that still believes in America. You guys are the ones that would shoot them in the head and dump them in the lime pit if you don't get your way. I think everyone in the world has seen your movie before.

Just remember the guy that screams "Hitler" the loudest, is fucking Hitler.

SubOink says

Any consequence of Trump / EPA for ARLP?

Good question, I've been wondering why ARLP isn't making me any money lately.

BayArea says

SubOink says

Any consequence of Trump / EPA for ARLP?

Good question, I've been wondering why ARLP isn't making me any money lately.

I see mostly "buy" or "strong buy" ratings...yet, it keeps dropping...So far I have been buying on every $ down move. Although, yesterdays 4.5% down opening I missed.

I don't quite get whats not to like about a 50% surprise earnings company with a 8.3% (as of today) dividend.

Tim Aurora says

We will not let a dictator come to power

He was kept pretty well in check this week. It's really just phony hysteria.

So you claim he's hitler and a dictator fascist threat to our civilization with his despotic ways. Aaaand then the next week you complain that he can't get anything done because he's following the constitution and people in other branches of government are opposing him.
If Trump is a dictator, he's the weakest one ever!
Ya'all need to get your "narrative" straight. The one you're running with doesn't make a lick of sense and is getting awful Neilson ratings.

That's fine but I wasn't referring to TPB in any way. He's a bit nuttier than I can deal with on most of his posts. That isn't to say that he's always wrong, but just unreliable and I wasn't referring to anything he's said. Just the OMG LITERALLY HITLER trash I've seen from Patnet's resident Leftists like you.