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MMR says

Despite being Muslim, in countries like Saudi, they are often nothing more than slave labor. Ditto for UAE

Yes, a Pakistani friend at work once told me that the Saudis regard all non-Arabs as not quite human, and legitimate targets of exploitation, Muslim or not.

rando says

Pakistani friend at work once told me that the Saudis regard all non-Arabs as not quite human

My uncle lived from Saudi from 1980-1990 living on east coast (Dammam and Jubail) in the petrochemical intermediates business before he settled down in NJ. Most of the natural gas processing occurs there. Lot of the grunt work there is done by Shiites from other countries, in addition to Pakistanis and Bengalis.

I think the word he used to refer to them was 'animals'.

rando says

Saudis regard all non-Arabs as not quite human

Same in the UAE as well, as lot of the doctors who are arab are not Emiratis. Palestinians are second class citizens there. Some of my classmates were palestinians and egyptians from UAE.

thunderlips11 says

This was at their primary bus station, at their equivalent of Borders - not in some corner stall.

I haven't been through Kuala Lumpur in a long time (22 years). I just remember it being almost as clean as Singapore, but markedly more Islamic.

Singapore has it going on, from what i read.

But try getting that one past the Libbys here...

OTOH Islam is not technically a religion.

MMR says

Maybe one is white and the other isn't

I think "poverty" is the operative and not necessarily "white"--in lots of people's minds, poor people can never be bad or the source of their own poverty just as black people can't be racist. Of course, many if not most Muslims are far from poor.

DieBankOfAmericaPhukkingDie says

Beheading rag heads is a sacrament, exactly as Jesus instructed.

Instead, they're beheading us.

MMR says

democrats support free immigration

Where to people get this idea?

I'm not running around saying that Trump is going to round up all blacks, and send them back to Africa.

Both are exaggerations of equal proportion.

MMR says

My uncle lived from Saudi from 1980-1990 living on east coast (Dammam and Jubail) in the petrochemical intermediates business before he settled down in NJ. Most of the natural gas processing occurs there. Lot of the grunt work there is done by Shiites from other countries, in addition to Pakistanis and Bengalis.

Sounds like the Mexicans picking cabbage and broccoli in CA in the midst of nasty agricultural chemicals.

YesYNot says

Mexicans picking cabbage and broccoli in CA in the midst of nasty agricultural chemicals.

From a chemical exposure standpoint, Mexicans probably have it much worse.

My understanding is that the foreign Muslims in Saudi are just doing hard physical labor, something that Saudis are culturally averse to

YesYNot says

Trump is going to round up all blacks, and send them back to Africa

Never thought he would round up anyone and send them back, only limit immigration from peoples who have a known inability to assimilate everywhere else they have gone.

As I mentioned to rew, limit refugees to quota and insist that middle eastern states do their fair share and limit immigration to productive people(professionals).

That's a big difference compared to "banning Muslims".....

While I'm not nearly as threatened by Mexicans coming over the border, "taking jobs" and sending remittances home(they still spend a lot of money here), I think the anchor baby strategy is something that should be shored up. The other issue with open borders is that undesirable Islamists know they can sneak into country that way.

If only 17% of voters think that it is an important issue than that means 83% of voters are morons.

When it comes to radical fundamentalist islam, we are not talking about a "religion" in the western sense of the word. Radical islam is not a religion. It is a totalitarian fascist political movement. We should have no problem denouncing a totalitarian fascist political movement and keep people who support and working toward such an end out of our country.

Radical islam is not a religion and we should stop calling it one.

thepaine says

When it comes to radical fundamentalist islam, we are not talking about a "religion" in the western sense of the word. Radical islam is not a religion. It is a totalitarian fascist political movement. We should have no problem denouncing a totalitarian fascist political movement and keep people who support and working toward such an end out of our country.

We attack this horrible cult all the time. Unfortunately, some naive people on Patnet go to great lengths to defend it.

thepaine says

Radical islam is not a religion and we should stop calling it one.

It's a rabid animal that should be shot.

thepaine says

We should have no problem denouncing a totalitarian fascist political movement and keep people who support and working toward such an end out of our country.

The evidence would indicate otherwise:

bump

Glad to see he's still unemployed...

indigenous says

anonymous says

Lee Kuan Yew, the late leader of Singapore wrote in his book Hard Truths to Keep Singapore Going, that Muslim integration in Singapore is failing.

Islam is much too violent for any other group to survive in it's midst. The wisest option is to control it's spread. But how?

Why would anyone want to integrate large groups that believe in fiction/lies?
Well we do have the Republican Party!

HEY YOU says

Why would anyone want to integrate large groups that believe in fiction/lies?

So that we can live side by side in peace. That's what freedom loving people want, that's what all humans deserve.

I believe that Muslims would agree that this is true: Islam doesn't play nice with other religions.

rando says

Yes, a Pakistani friend at work once told me that the Saudis regard all non-Arabs as not quite human, and legitimate targets of exploitation, Muslim or not.

Where my uncle lived in Saudi, Dammam and Jubail, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the ones working as slave labor in fields where natural gas extraction takes place.

As you know, he referred to them as animals and never brought his wife and children to live with him there. He came to the US as soon as he could after my dad sponsored his brother-in-law

Quigley says

I believe that Muslims would agree that this is true: Islam doesn't play nice with other religions.

Actually Muslims believe that they are super-tolerant of other religions, because the Koran allows certain limited non-Muslims (only Jews and Christians) the right to pay a ransom every year to save their lives. Others like Hindus are required to convert or die, but "people of the book" get that extra option to pay to keep their own religion and still live!

Seriously, Muslims think that's being tolerant, and complain when Islam is called "intolerant".

Of course absolutely zero other religion is allowed in Saudi Arabia at all. No churches, no synagogues, no bibles allowed in the country. There are limits to their immense tolerance you know.

Earlier this week, the Singapore government said that it would not allow two foreign Islamic preachers to enter Singapore as part of a religious-themed cruise set to take place in late November. The move is just the latest in a series of steps that Singapore is taking to crack down on radical ideology, and it also exposes both the city-state’s growing alarm at the terrorism threat as well as the lingering challenges states face in addressing it.

Why can't we use common sense like Singapore?

Political correctness destroyed any common sense we may have had...

Prime Minister Lee Hsien Loong has noted on several occasions in the past year that Singapore operates on the expectation of “when” rather than “if” a terror attack will occur.

Sure other religions are less evil than Islam, but the lesser of two evils is still an evil and there is no up side to tolerating any religion.